Insane Freeptards acting, well....

[Aviation Pro]

...bugfuck insane. Of course these brave "warriors" of the 103rd Keyboard Division, 99th Cowardly Bastards Brigade, 202nd Yellowbelly Little Sissies Battalion have all the answers to our woes.

To read all their fetal position comments go here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1760778/posts




America's Lost 3,000 (In Iraq)
Time ^ | December 30, 2006 | NATHAN THORNBURGH


Posted on 12/31/2006 5:24:28 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet


The death toll for U.S. soldiers in Iraq has reached 3,000, a number that's both unbearable and, compared to previous military operations, a pittance.

War can make poets. The British World War I soldier Wilfred Owen had lived as a minor disciple of literary giants until he was thrust into the abattoir of Europe's cataclysmic war to discover the brutal theme of his art. "Nor is it about deeds, or lands, nor anything about glory, honour, might, majesty, dominion, or power, except War," he wrote. "My subject is War, and the pity of War." The war invested meaning into his words, giving them a dark significance that still evokes heartbreak.

But can war provide similar meaning to a number? What can now be derived from reaching the grim milestone of 3,000 American dead in Iraq? The public's contemplation of the number should have little to do with the right or the wrong of American occupation, nor with the viability of that seed of peace America is meant to be sowing there. Wars are always paid in blood and numbered in lives lost, the value of that sacrifice doesn't rise or fall like penny stock depending on the popularity of a mission. The 3,000th death is as the first — dying being the pitiable but inextricable consequence of war.


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We lost more men on D-Day, or similar battles, yet this country can't take it? Where is the country my dad fought for in the Pacific?

1 posted on 12/31/2006 5:24:31 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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Time is more upset that we did not reach the protesters' figure of "10,000 dead" by the 2004 or 2006 elections.



2 posted on 12/31/2006 5:29:25 PM PST by weegee
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Time magazine is not worth using as TP..IMHO

Meadow Muffin



3 posted on 12/31/2006 5:32:41 PM PST by rwgal
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Philadelphia Pennsylvania lost over 400 people just this year through crime. The liberal strongholds in the U.S. are far more dangerous than Iraq when you check out the number of dead each year. Go figure.

4 posted on 12/31/2006 5:34:45 PM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal.")
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This must be deliberate disinformation. Nobody could be this ignorant.
It is obscene to compare or even mention the Iraq war in the same breath as WWI, where the British alone suffered 100,000 casualties in ONE DAY in ONE BATTLE (the Somme). Total casualties, all sides, for the Somme: 1,120,000. That is not a typo. One million, one hundred twenty thousand.


5 posted on 12/31/2006 5:37:04 PM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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I hope the commentator can find his navel someday....
How about the 16,000 murders in the USA yearly dude?
where is your hankerchief now?
How about the many more who would (will) be murdered
by the jihadists yearly around the world...Somalia,
India, Indonesia, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, France,
Egypt, Morrocco, Algeria (last count was in the hundreds
of thousands in Algeria, i believe)...tell this commentator
that we are no longer living on an island...if he wants
to get away from the human race he needs to join the
space program, or hide in a cave like Osama....



6 posted on 12/31/2006 5:38:36 PM PST by Getready (Truth and wisdom are more elusive, and valuable, than gold and diamonds)
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When the statistics on 2006 are closed, they will reveal that something on the order of 44,000 Americans died of influenza, as they did in 2005, 2004, and 2003, for a total of 176,000 during the period we have been in Iraq.
This little fact puts things in a little perspective.

This article, others like it, and the statistic itself is being used to manipulate public opinion towards the view of the press who favor surrender and retreat. Proof of this is in the number itself: 3000 only represents casualties in Iraq and includes non-combat deaths of disease and accident. The figure does not include combat deaths in Afghanistan, another theater in the same war. Did we so differentiate between Pacific and European theaters in WWII?

The dead cannot speak for themselves, but those who know them, served with them, and who truly mourn their passing can speak their minds far better than these journalists - and they say strongly that their sacrifice should not have been in vain.

If we walk away from this struggle, we will pay in blood for our folly, and the numbers will be like the influenza figures, if not ten times more.



7 posted on 12/31/2006 5:38:45 PM PST by centurion316 (Democrats - Supporting Al Qaida Worldwide)
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Related...

U.S. death toll in Iraq reaches 3,000
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AP via Yahoo ^ | December 31, 2006 | NA
BAGHDAD, Iraq - The death of a Texas soldier, announced Sunday by the Pentagon, raised the number of U.S. military deaths in Iraq to at least 3,000 since the war began, according to an Associated Press count. Spc. Dustin R. Donica, 22, of Spring, Texas, was killed Thursday by small arms fire in Baghdad, the Defense Department said.
U.S. Military Deaths In Iraq Top 3,000


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NBC5.com ^ | 12/31/2006
NBC5.com U.S. Military Deaths In Iraq Top 3,000 UPDATED: 2:25 pm CST December 31, 2006 The death of a Texas soldier, announced Sunday by the Pentagon, raised the number of U.S. military deaths in Iraq to at least 3,000 since the war began, according to an Associated Press count. Spc. Dustin R. Donica, 22, of Spring, Texas, was killed Thursday by small arms fire in Baghdad, the Defense Department said. The grim milestone was crossed on the final day of 2006 and at the end of the deadliest month for the American military in Iraq in the past 12 months....


8 posted on 12/31/2006 5:41:05 PM PST by jdm
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The left wing antiwar groups have been salivating over this number. They have been working on a campaign surrounding this milestone for weeks.Leftie Plans for the 3000 Milestone
DC should see it's fair share of black arm bands. Bunch of ghouls.


9 posted on 12/31/2006 5:42:36 PM PST by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghan Honor Roll students.)
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I get the feeling Nathan wrote this article some time ago, just waiting for the 3,000 mark before it was published.



10 posted on 12/31/2006 5:42:41 PM PST by operation clinton cleanup
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True, true, true. About 50,000 people are killed in the US during criminal acts each year (thankfully, the vast majority are criminals themselves). I guess that makes America a place where body counts are greater than Iraq while at the same time the bad guys are getting killed at a much lesser rate. Seems to me that the MSM should pull up stakes and get yonder to a place of greater safety.



11 posted on 12/31/2006 5:43:10 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth
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That's right add the total murders for Philly, NYC,DC, Detroit, Baltimore, Boston and LA and you probably would eclipse the 3,000 mark and then some.

That fact the US media celebrates the deaths of our military should show how sick this country has become.

12 posted on 12/31/2006 5:44:28 PM PST by The South Texan (The Democrat Party and the leftist (ABCCBSNBCCNN NYLATIMES)media are a criminal enterprise!)
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Just giving 3000 as a number doesn't provide sufficient information to evaluate the situation. How many terrorists were killed in exchange for those 3000 and how many lives were saved over the next 50 years because those terrorists were stopped and/or killed?



13 posted on 12/31/2006 5:44:43 PM PST by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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How many Americans die every year in auto accidents?



14 posted on 12/31/2006 5:46:19 PM PST by Pan_Yans Wife
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They are not being nationalized to support the troops to get it done.

They have no war bonds, no anti-islam propaganda, no propaganda at all, no mass recruiting efforts to get more troops, no videos on the news of terrorist being terrorist, no effort to demonize the islamist by the gov't, no trials and punishment against the news media for leaking valuable documents.

We could go on and on.

Remember we were told to go shop. The decision has been made.

15 posted on 12/31/2006 5:47:52 PM PST by FLOutdoorsman ("If there must be trouble let it be in my day, that my child may have peace.")
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"Grim milestone" alert!!!!

You'd think the MSM would be embarrassed to see just about every one of their outlets use the exact same term.



16 posted on 12/31/2006 5:49:55 PM PST by Numbers Guy
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[candidate]

1. LOL

12 posted on 12/31/2006 5:44:28 PM PST by The South Texan (The Democrat Party and the leftist (ABCCBSNBCCNN NYLATIMES)media are a criminal enterprise!)

Only a poster calling himself The South Texan could be that stupid.

I'm telling you, there's something in the water in these hardcore red states.

[XanaDUer]

2. It all seems a whole lot of trouble and misery to go through...

Just to get a poet (and I love poetry).

Oh well, another day, another bunch of RW lunatics.

[spoony]

6. And they picked the wrong one, imho

From WWI, I prefer Alan Seeger.

"I have a rendezvous with Death
At some disputed barricade,
I have a rendezvous with Death
At some disputed barricade,
When Spring comes back with rustling shade
And apple-blossoms fill the air--
I have a rendezvous with Death
When Spring brings back blue days and fair...."

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

3. It makes me wonder.

Just how many more troops do they want to die in Iraq?

[xchrom]

4. hey -- the undereducated freeptards are always good for a laugh.

but they will weeping and moaning when we make them all go back to school and actually STUDY history.

the corporations need a skilled workforce -- and they actually need skills -- of some sort.

[Warren DeMontague]

5. "Meadow Muffin"

Like, a cow poop?

[EC]

7. They seem to think of war just for the sake of war...

no other reason to fight, other than just to be a good soldier and fight...

[Stephist]

8. Republicans Sure Love The Troops

:o

[candidate]

11. Republicans honestly believe we're in a crusade

They think that we've been appointed by God to lead the charge in this "war for civilization." They're that crazy. They think that we must sacrifice thousands upon thousands in the name of "freedom" to "defend our ideals."

But when you ask them when our freedom and values were ever threatened by Muslims, they can't give an answer. They'll give you vague, brainless, nationalistic catchphrases like "Remember 9/11" and "Freedom is on the march," but that's it.

Terrorists can kill us, but they can't destroy our freedom and ideals; only the fundie neocons can do that.

[4nic8em]

9. Why does the republic

party like for American soldiers to die??

[leftofthedial]

10. wha t we need in Iraq is . . .

WAY more casualties

50,000. All in one day if possible.

That'll show those pu**y liburls that we mean business.



never mind that there is no real enemy, that we are illegally occupying a nation that never threatened us, that we have destroyed a century of infrastructure development, that there is no defined mission . . .

If only there were MORE deaths, it would all be more meaningful.

insane fucking idiots.

[EstimatedProphet]

12. It's like they want more people to die

Like 3000 people isn't good enough for some reason, they think we need to go farther before it's obvious that the war is a bad thing. As if we haven't really paid our dues yet!

[emmadoggy]

13. God, they just don't get it do they??

As if dying from illness or disease or in an auto accident is the same as dying in a needless, unjust, false WAR for NOTHING! Dying from illness, disease or in an accident is tragic and sad, but it's a natural part of life. Dying in a war that is fought for REAL defense of the country, such as WWII, is tragic too, but at least they died for the noble cause of protecting the country.

The point of the uproar over 3,000 dead in Iraq is that NONE of them should have died! There is no legitimate or purposeful reason for us to have gone there in the first place! They have all died for lies and profit. Geez, these people are dense and blind. And I see they are still delusional about the non-existent connection between Iraq and terrorism. The one poster asks how many terrorists have been killed in exchange for our troops lost, thus saving lives here. :crazy:

I swear these people live under rocks and have rocks for brains. :eyes:

[silverojo]

20. That's a pretty callous thing to say

People dying for ANY reason is a tragedy. If anything, the troops volunteered for a job in which they knew death was a risk--whether the war in question was legal or not.

People who die of accidents or illness never volunteered, and those who die of illness often suffer for YEARS before they die.

My aunt is currently dying of congestive heart failure, and it's truly crass to suggest that her horrendous day-to-day suffering is "natural", and therefore doesn't deserve as much compassion as the death of a perfectly healthy person who volunteered their life for this country.

That's why the troops are said to be "making the ultimate sacrifice". It's something they (for whatever reason) have chosen to do. That's why they're heroes.

Nobody chooses to be in an accident, and nobody chooses to get an illness that will ultimately end their lives.

emmadoggy, I'd hate to be in your shoes when Karma comes back to kick you in the butt for having such a callous view of dying civilians (who are, in fact, the majority of people who die). Try having some compassion for the helpless...that is, after all, what being a Democrat is all about.

[emmadoggy]

25. I'm sorry. I seem to have not done a very good job of making my point.

I wasn't trying to be callous at all and it hurts me to think someone might think that of me. I'm very sorry for the suffering your aunt is going through. Congestive heart failure is a terrible disease. As a matter of fact, my great-uncle just passed away from that disease a few days ago. I have lost plenty more loved ones too. My father died at the age of 52 from complications of diabetes. I lost a 53-year-old uncle in a terrible farming accident. My aunt suffered and died from breast cancer at the age of 52. All but one of my grandparents are gone. My father-in-law wasted away before our eyes as we were powerless to do anything for him. And there have been others. I am familiar with loss. I understand the pain. My family members' deaths WERE tragic and no matter how we lose someone, it is always horrible. I am not trying to demean or belittle the suffering or deaths of ordinary citizens. I would NEVER suggest that the suffering and death of someone deserved less compassion than that of a soldier.

The difference here, to me, is that there is no one to blame for my loved ones deaths. If I had a loved one who was sent over to Iraq and died over Bush's LIES, I would be extremely ANGRY and would definitely be blaming someone. I would be very angry that my loved one made "the ultimate sacrifice" without knowing what that sacrifice was for. The fact that our troops have CHOSEN to serve their country in such a heroic way is all the more reason why their sacrifice should be respected and honored by not putting them needlessly in harms' way. The freepers were belittling the fact that the number 3,000 is paltry compared to other conflicts we have been involved in or compared to the number of deaths from accidents or a particular disease. My point was that we never should have been in Iraq in the first place so the number should be ZERO - it makes those 3,000 deaths all the more significant.

I don't know if this will change your view of my post or not, but I truly meant no offense.

[progdonkey]

14. "How many Americans die every year in auto accidents?"

A hell of a lot more than died on 9/11, and every year as well.

Yet, is there a nebulous "War on BAD DRIVERS!!!!"? Did we invade any countries because they may have a lot of bad drivers? Would the Freepers be willing to let the government send anyone with a point on their driver's license to Guatanamo Bay because they might get into an accident? or allow Bush to read their mail, intercept their phone messages, violate their civil rights, etc., in order to prevent the future deaths of tens of thousands Americans in auto accidents?

Sheesh, these people are idiots.

[badgerpup]

17. I must be missing something here...

The argument seems to be that since the mortality rate for crime or bad driving or influenza is higher than that of our troops in Iraq, those deaths aren't really significant.
:wtf::puke:
Does this mean they're not quite as dead?

Or do they mean that death stateside caused by crime, bad driving, or illness somehow supersedes death in Iraq caused by an IEDs or snipers?

What about troop fatalities in Iraq caused by crime, bad driving, or illness?
Do those count more? or less? :sarcasm::

[progdonkey]

21. that's their argument, all right...

They want to minimize the deaths of the troops by saying, "Hey, it's only 3000. That's much less than the amount of regular, average Americans who die every year from car accidents." It's disgusting, primarily because it's so hypocritical, which was my point in bringing up the 3000 that died on 9/11. Did this Freeper ever try to put 9/11 in perspective by comparing the one-time death toll to the annual, much-higher death toll caused by auto accidents, or did the idiot, like the rest of the Freepers, start screaming that we've got to give up all our rights or else the "terrists" might bomb a soccer practice in Idaho and calling anyone who didn't shit their pants at the sight of someone with an accent a "traitor" and save the "perspective" for when they wanted to minimize the deaths of US troops in the war they support but refuse to fight in?

ie. 3000 die on 9/11 = "Whoever doesn't let the Dear Leader rule us with an iron fist and take away all our civil rights must be destroyed, or else the evildoers win!!"

3000 troops die for nothing in a war based on lies = "Psh, do you know how many people die in auto accidents each year? Why should I get worked up over 3000 deaths?"

[AnnieBW]

15. Ratios

Yes, we lost a lot more people in WWI, WWII, and Vietnam. But we also had a lot more soldiers on the ground, too. Duh...

[bowens43]

16. Conservatives support the troops...don't they..I mean they do don't they.

What a bunch of sick bastards.

[Minnesota_Lib]

18. Reminds me of this weeks Tom Tomorrow strip....

http://www.workingforchange.com/comic.cfm?itemid=21816
.

[walldude]

19. I love freeper threads.. it's the one thing every single DU'er

can agree on. I love watching them attempt to show compassion while they talk about how 3000 isn't so bad :crazy:

[tom_paine]

22. OMFG! "103rd Keyboard Division, 99th Cowardly Bastards Brigade, 202nd Yellowbelly Little Sissies Ba

ttalion"

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Contrary1]

23. This one is a keeper:

"to assure the survival of liberty"....
Isn't it funny.....

Kennedy didn't need to find WMDs to justify going into Vietnam
Clinton didn't need to find WMDs in the former Yugoslavia and
Truman didn't need to find WMDs in Korea.
It was "okay" for them to free people. But Bush needs to find WMDs.

130 posted on 01/01/2007 7:51:48 PM PST by syriacus (30,000 US deaths in Korea in 2 1/2 years under Democrat Truman (Jul, 1950 - Dec, 1952))

Numbnuts sees no difference. :eyes: A waste of time to point out the obvious to the Freeps.

[madmusic]

24. What if Bush invaded Waco, Texas?

BushCo says there were WMDs there, so he invades, 3000 police and national guard killed, over 50,000 citizens killed, men, women, children, countless maimed for life.

Ooops! Sorry, strike that, no "sorry." No WMDs, either, but they did have gangs there, so it was worth it.

Would the freepers say ONLY 3000 police and national guard killed? ONLY 50,000 citizens, including women and children killed? ONLY maimed?

Not if it were them or their families.

The would probably run to San Fransisco and be very happy to live on the Left Coast before the action started anyway.

[Jade Fox]

26. Valuing human life (and death) quantitatively....

is the (new) last refuge of a scoundrel, to paraphrase Samuel Johnson's famous remark.

[mcctatas]

27. Doh!

"103rd Keyboard Division, 99th Cowardly Bastards Brigade, 202nd Yellowbelly Little Sissies Battalion"

:rofl::applause: :spray:

Perhaps the best description of freeps I have ever seen!

[LostInAnomie]

28. Amazing, they can "support our troops" a downplay their deaths at the same time.

Cognitive dissonance, anyone?

I guess these idiots don't understand statistics. Comparing US deaths in Iraq to US deaths in the US is comparing apples and oranges. A more apt comparison would be Iraqi deaths in Iraq to US deaths in the US. Using the higher stat of 50,000 violent US deaths per year as cited by the freepers out of 300,000,000 people comes to about .016%. Iraq before the war had a population of around 18,000,000 and has so far had about 200,000 deaths this year (600,000 total/3 years) which comes to about 1.11% and that is discounting the fact that a HUGE portion of the population has fled to other countries.

Freepers, you are all retarded.

[kiteinthewind]

29. Every one of these slimy bastards needs to be sent to Iraq. nt

:mad: