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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 12:03 PM
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Good God, I love Alcee Hastings!
:loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya:

:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

Earlier he compared the repubs to horses complaining to ranchers not cleaning up well enough behind them.

A little while ago, he smacked them silly for running up the deficit during their reign.

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woodsprite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 12:07 PM
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1. I had never really heard him speak before (or at least paid much attention)
I'm getting the luvin' feeling too. I soooo wanted to call Cspan yesterday on the repub line (since I'm a reformed one) and say I love the first moves Pelosi has made and am happy the Dems have come out kicking butt and taking names - hope the momentum continues. Didn't think my boss would appreciate that. The only reason I can get away with DU is because I have my window set so small it looks like a part of my editor. ;)
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trashcanistanista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 12:10 PM
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2. He is in full gloat mode today
and keeping me extremely entertained! He must know we are all watching! Go Alcee!!! I posted the horse / rancher comment on another thread it was hilarious!
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sshan2525 Donating Member (311 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 12:30 PM
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3. Too bad he's corrupt.........
Wise words from a bad man.......
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woodsprite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 12:37 PM
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4. Corrupt? How so? I really don't know that much about him. n/t
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 01:00 PM
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9. wikipedia
In 1981 Judge Hastings was charged with accepting a $150,000 bribe in exchange for a lenient sentence and a return of seized assets for 21 counts of racketeering by Frank and Thomas Romano, and of perjury in his testimony about the case. He was acquitted by a jury after his alleged co-conspirator, William Borders, refused to testify in court (resulting in a jail sentence for Borders).

In 1988, the Democratic-controlled U.S. House of Representatives took up the case, and Hastings was impeached for bribery and perjury by a vote of 413-3. Voters to impeach included Reps. Nancy Pelosi, Steny Hoyer, John Conyers and Charles Rangel. He was then convicted in 1989 by the United States Senate, becoming only the sixth federal judge in the history of the United States to be removed from office by the Senate. The Senate had the option to forbid Hastings from ever seeking federal office again, but did not do so. Alleged co-conspirator William Borders went to jail again for refusing to testify in the impeachment proceedings, but was later given a full pardon by Bill Clinton on his last day in office <2>.

Hastings filed suit in federal court claiming that his impeachment trial was invalid because he was tried by a Senate committee, not in front of the full Senate, and that he had been acquitted in a criminal trial. Judge Stanley Sporkin ruled in favor of Hastings, remanding the case back to the Senate, but stayed his ruling pending the outcome of an appeal to the Supreme Court in a similar case regarding Judge Walter Nixon, who had also been impeached and removed.<3>

Sporkin found some "crucial distinctions"<4> between Nixon's case and Hastings', specifically, that Nixon had been convicted criminally, and that Hastings was not found guilty by two-thirds of the committee who actually "tried" his impeachment in the Senate. He further added that Hastings had a right to trial by the full Senate.

The Supreme Court, however, ruled in Nixon v. United States that the federal courts have no jurisdiction over Senate impeachment matters, so Sporkin's ruling was vacated and Hastings's conviction and removal were upheld.

........
Doesn't sound to me as if the guy got a fair shake, does it? He was not found guilty in criminal court, he was not found guilty by 2/3 of the Senate committee who "tried" his impeachment. And the Supreme Court ruled that federal courts have no jurisdiction when he tried to force the whole Senate to "try" his impeachment.

Looks to me as the corruption case didn't stick.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 12:48 PM
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5. welcome to DU (eom)
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 12:51 PM
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6. He was acquitted.
He was impeached by the House of Representatives. The Senate never held an impeachment trial according to Constitutional requirements (in the Senate, as a whole), opting instead to vote for his removal (but NOT forbidding him to hold another office) in committee (not, however, by a two-thirds vote).

There's no question that the "appearance of corruption" is there. To claim or imply he was criminally convicted or received a proper impeachment trial in the Senate is misguided, at best.


http://classes.lls.edu/archive/manheimk/fedcts/hastings1.html

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Mikey929 Donating Member (290 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 12:53 PM
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7. Corrupt
He was removed from office for bribery issues. And look at who voted to remove him from office. You'll see some of the same names who are now praising him.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 01:01 PM
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10. I guess that means...
....he wasn't guilty!
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 01:11 PM
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11. "who voted to remove him from office"??
I guess you didn't read my post. First of all, the House voted on articles of impeachment. The House does not vote to remove from office. That's what a Senate impeachment trial is all about. That's just Civics 101 - a class too many sleep through, I guess.

The Senate held its "impeachment trial" in committee, not as the full Senate. Therefore, I challenge you (or anyone) to find any recorded vote to properly remove him from office. Was he, in fact, removed from office? Yes. De facto does not equate to de jure. (Might does not make right.)

Lastly, he was acquitted in court of all criminal charges. (Is there something about that you don't comprehend?)

:eyes:
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 12:55 PM
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8. He's not corrupt...
Some don't like the fact that he is telling the crooks how it T-I-iss.
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 01:27 PM
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12. Too bad you're bringing 20-some year old allegations to this thread. I'll say again:
Good God, I love Alcee Hastings!

:loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya:



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Mikey929 Donating Member (290 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 02:07 PM
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13. Time Frame?
LOL -- I didn't think there was any statute of limitations in discussing peoples' bad acts!

Yes, Hastings was acquitted in criminal court. He was removed from office for bribery issues. That's a fact. It's hard for me to get behind someone who had that happen.
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 02:57 PM
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14. No, my dear, I suppose people will gossip forever, btw... did I mention...
Good God, I love Alcee Hastings!

:hi:

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