Randi Rhodes - Cheney has sent orders to Stratcom - if terrorism, attack Iran...

[IndyOp]

Cheney has sent orders to Stratcom to come up with a plan to attack iran with conventional and nuclear weapons if there is any terrorist action in the U.S. - period. Whether or not there is any evidence Iran was involved.

From April 1, 2005 American Conservative: In Washington it is hardly a secret that the same people in and around the administration who brought you Iraq are preparing to do the same for Iran. The Pentagon, acting under instructions from Vice President Dick Cheney’s office, has tasked the United States Strategic Command (STRATCOM) with drawing up a contingency plan to be employed in response to another 9/11-type terrorist attack on the United States. The plan includes a large-scale air assault on Iran employing both conventional and tactical nuclear weapons. Within Iran there are more than 450 major strategic targets, including numerous suspected nuclear-weapons-program development sites. Many of the targets are hardened or are deep underground and could not be taken out by conventional weapons, hence the nuclear option. As in the case of Iraq, the response is not conditional on Iran actually being involved in the act of terrorism directed against the United States. Several senior Air Force officers involved in the planning are reportedly appalled at the implications of what they are doing—that Iran is being set up for an unprovoked nuclear attack—but no one is prepared to damage his career by posing any objections.

http://www.amconmag.com/2005_08_01/article3.html

:puke:

Shouldn't the Dems be able to get their hands on whatever plan STRATCOM came up with - so they can expose it?

[LSK]

1. but why now???

Why wouldnt he have done it before the midterms???

Why wouldnt he have done it when Israel attacked Lebanon?

Why now?

In addition, according to several books, many weapons and IEDs that are attacking our trooops in Iraq were made in Iran and the admin knows this. But they have known it for sometime.

Bush has very little political support for this, even amoung Republicans. He is not making any case that Iran has to be stopped right now.

There is no build up in the media about how Iran is about to nuke us.

[eleny]

2. They thought they would be successful stealing the midterms

:shrug:

[LSK]

3. that explains why they didnt do it then, but not why now

[helderheid]

4. Declare martial law and suspend 2008 elections?

:shrug:

[LSK]

7. or speed up impeachment hearings???

No way Congress would approve it.

[crim son]

5. Because he can, because his objectives have nothing to do

with stopping terrorism, and because he doesn't care whether he has support on this issue or not. Maybe?

[eleny]

11. I think it finally hit them that Dems have control of Congress

Hearings are breathing down their miserable necks. It's now time to push their agenda forward to control the ME and to take the wind out of the sails of the Dem agenda. This is like a wrenching of control away from Dems at the last possible minute. A huge dose of terrorizing the American public to boot.

[IndyOp]

14. I included the date April 1 2005 - this is listed on Randi's page as "flashback"

I think she is bringing it up as something that is important to keep in mind.

[SteppingRazor]

6. This should be put in the proper context though

I don't want to belittle this or make it sound unimportant -- certainly, it's noteworthy -- but the Pentagon has contingency plans for just about everything. We've probably got a plan for invading Canada lying around in there somewhere.

[originalpckelly]

9. Why wouldn't we already have this drafted up if we have a plan to nuke...

every country in the world? Certainly, Iran has not been friendly to us for a long time, they have actually really done something wrong to us, but certainly nothing which would require nuking them. This is delusional bullshit. These people are literally insane, they seem to be sociopaths without any concern for the people or the families who troops they are allowing to be killed in Iraq.

[IndyOp]

10. Proper context means keeping in mind that PNAC supporters and their ilk

have long been gunning for Iran - not so much Canada. Your point is taken that this is contingency plan that may have a very low likelihood of being activated...

[LSK]

13. and many of them are jumping ship now

They see they were dead wrong in Iraq and are running from their past.

[BeHereNow]

8. I've been posting the Giraldi article on DU since it appeared in 2005.

The rest of the story is that several generals, including a 4 star
ran as fast as they could from the situation- there was also
one who was forced out by typical Rove slandering, something
about an illicit affair, presumably
for threatening to go public with what he knew about the Cheney plan.

BHN

[IndyOp]

12. Interesting. Link? What I posted is on Randi's site as "flashback" so it is old (n/t)

[BeHereNow]

15. The link you posted is the same one I posted a few years ago.

It is the original to the article at the American Conservative magazine.

I probable have a link to the story on the general's defection in
my bookmarks- is that the one you are interested in?

I am off to search it.

BHN

[IndyOp]

16. Yes - who is the general who defected? Thanks.

[BeHereNow]

17. The interesting one is the one who was "Roved," and sorry, with finding the article I don't know his

name.

Like I said, searching.
I know I have it somewhere- either in my email
or bookmarks.

I'll post it for you as soon as I find it.

BHN

[BeHereNow]

18. FOUND IT!!! Four Star General KEVIN BYRNES

http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dorf/20050815.html

"Last week, four-star Army General Kevin Byrnes, a 36-year veteran on the brink of retirement, was relieved of his command of Fort Monroe. According to press accounts, Byrnes lost his command as punishment for the offense of adultery. Yet Byrnes contends that the adultery occurred after he was formally separated from his wife, was committed with a civilian, and in no way affected his official duties."

Please do note that the article is dated TWO weeks after the Giraldi story appeared in the American Conservative...

Off to find more on Byrnes and the Cheney connection...

BHN

[BeHereNow]

19. GREAT LINK WITH Many related links to stories surrounding Byrnes

http://cleveland.indymedia.org/news/2005/08/16912_comment.php

WHOA!!!
I just tried some of the links...gone. All of them.
BHN

[BeHereNow]

20. More by Justin Raimondo on Byrnes (among others) firing.

"If the troops are going into Iran – or, as some say, Syria – then bringing them home is out of the question. Is the president facing an officers' rebellion as he ratchets up the rhetoric against Tehran?

The firing of General Kevin Byrnes, allegedly for "adultery" – even though he's already been divorced from his wife – a few months before he's due to retire, is awfully suspicious in this context: General Byrnes reportedly made an enemy of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld for opposing the Rumsfeldian "transformation" of the military into a more "flexible" instrument of the Bush Doctrine and the neocons' imperial vision. In essentially firing a four-star general – a vicious act of retribution that certainly bears the personal stamp of the chimp-in-chief – the White House engaged in a preemptive strike against the War Party's enemies in the military. This is no doubt a sore spot for the White House: opposition from American's military leaders to the Iraq adventure made headlines in the run-up to war, and their continuing objection to this administration's policy of unconstrained aggression was summed up in the remark of a retired general to the Washington Times: "The Army is just too small for what they want it to do."

General Eric Shinseki, the former chief of staff of the Army, dared face down Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz in estimating "several hundred thousand" U.S. troops as the required size of an Iraq occupation force – and was forced into retirement. Now Casey has been rebuked and is presumably on the way out, while Byrnes has been purged, along with no one knows how many others. It's the night of the long knives in the Pentagon, as the War Party cleans out suspected dissidents from the top ranks of the military and prepares for the next move on the Middle Eastern chessboard."
http://www.welchreport.com/comment2.cfm?rank_cho=578

BHN

[IndyOp]

27. Thank you. I remember Byrnes "resignation" - I did not know

about a connection to his speaking out about the administration's insanity about Iraq/Iran.

The Dems need to get these Generals to testify ASAP.

:(

[Gloria]

21. Even the Huff Post page is gone.....

[BeHereNow]

22. You noticed that too?

Strange days on the "internets."
BHN

[StrictlyRockers]

23. WTF? We need to stop the war on Iran BEFORE it starts!!! eom

[BeHereNow]

25. Well, that aint looking good- seeing how they are dumping anyone who is against it.

Check out another thread here in GD about the "Purge" of the "non True Believers."
As discussed in the thread above this post- they actually dumped a four star general
after 36 years of impeccable service, just months shy of his retirement date for an "affair,"
even though he was divorced from his wife.
So why was he really smeared and forced out?
He was connected or suspected of being part of a military coup to reveal
and stop the KKKabal war mongers.

If there is no one left in power to resist them in our name,
then what?
They are very busy at the moment shuffling the
deck chairs on the Titanic.
As in, anyone who points out that we are heading for
an iceberg is immediately thrown overboard,
BHN

[Redstone]

24. You're going to take the words of THOSE PEOPLE seriously? Come ON, would you?

They're a bucnh of rabid lunatics. What the fuck does what THEY say have to do with the real world?

Not much.

Redstone

[BeHereNow]

26. I'm confused, what people?

Stratcom or Philip Giraldi?
BHN

[Redstone]

28. Uh, the American Conservative magazine?

Redstone

[BeHereNow]

29. Uh, care to elaborate?

Philip Giraldi is the author- that's enough for me.
Despite your nebulous disdain for who published him
perhaps you should research who else picked up on the article.
Perhaps one of the other publications or journalists will meet your
approval.
BHN

[malaise]

30. Is he planning the terrorism attack as well? n/t

[BeHereNow]

31. Hold on there a minute! Are you suggesting what I think you are?

That the king of the neocon rats would sacrifice innocent
American lives to get his Iran massacre on?

Oh wait..3000 plus dead young Americans, countless maimed
and for WHAT?

Who was it that ordered the stand down on 9-11?
And who flew all those Saudi's out of America while
no other plane was in the sky in the days after 9-11?

Gee that long assed Patriot act sure was written fast and
pushed through under the threat of any questions
meant you were un American...so what if no one
had time to read it.

Wonder who had that thing waiting in the wings?

BHN

[malaise]

32. Wish we could laugh! n/t

[BeHereNow]

33. Pathetic, isn't it? N/T

bhn

[malaise]

34. Beyond pathetic

Frightening.

[BeHereNow]

35. If the complicit media would report even a TENTH of what DU knows, we might have a chance.

I sincerely believe that if the average American knew even the
slightest fraction of the truth, it wold all come to a
screeching halt.
I think Americans, despite their somewhat limited understanding of the world,
would be outraged if they knew how we got where we are- if for no
other reason than because of their delusional image of themselves
as the the "good" people on earth. Fair and just and all.

If they actually knew and understood the truth about what has been
happening in their names and the REAL reasonsfor it, not to mention the people who
actually stand to benefit the most while the majority lose
their way of life- I think they would be in the streets within
24 hours.

Not like that will happen when the media is corrupt and
owned by the very corporations who benefit most from the
greatest hoax ever perpetuated on a nation.

BHN

[malaise]

39. Don't hold your breath n/t

[bdamomma]

36. I hate to think this but I don't think these criminals wouldn't have

any remorse to kill more innocent Americans on our land to promote their sick agenda. I hate saying that, but we are dealing with some sick psychotic people.

[BeHereNow]

37. And you would be correct. The "Surge" for instance.

These "people" (who knows if they even have beating hearts)
plan to build a conveyor belt on which to ship cannon fodder
to the region. They know fully well that it will mean the
loss of thousand of limbs and lives, not to mention the
complete destruction of any social structure, economic and otherwise
in this country. They do not care.
We are insignificant in their view of the world.
Ants to be brushed aside or better yet, eliminated
all together.

It's simply a business decision to them, nothing
more, nothing less.

One needs only to carefully examine New Orleans and
the Katrina catastrophe.

People mistakenly chalked it up to incompetence.
Far more correct is the fact that they do not give a DAMN
about Americans.
It was NOT incompetence, it was APATHY.
BHN

[blues90]

38. That's the way I look at this

So far these are the same people who have been involved in killing for profit for many years . Either it was for resource or military funding projects .

The USA is big on protecting corporate investments no matter where they are .

People mean nothing or the loss of life .

With just this said I think it is quite possible they may attack Iran and this will be for oil and for power .

Over the years look how many people have died from once reason or another and everyone just moves on and forgets , at least those who are left alive .