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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 04:19 PM
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Trent Lott Accuses Cheney & Bush Of An Impeachable Offense
Lott: Administration "Pushed" Intel on Iraq
By Paul Kiel - January 5, 2007, 10:29 AM

Here's Senate Minority Whip Trent Lott (R-MS) on Hardball last night. Does anybody else find this to be a stunning admission from the Republicans' #2 in the Senate?

The transcript:

Matthews:
I think Vice President Cheney had his thumb on the scale, do you agree? That they were pushing this war so hard, they were working to look at any evidence that backed the war and ignore any evidence that didn’t back the war.

Lott:
They were pushing the evidence that justified going to the war, a lot of us, Republicans and Democrats, were concerned about what we were told, and we bought the packet.


VIDEO:
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/002287.php




Is lying about the reason for a war an impeachable offense?
By John W. Dean
FindLaw Columnist
Special to CNN.com
Friday, June 6, 2003

To put it bluntly, if Bush has taken Congress and the nation into war based on bogus information, he is cooked. Manipulation or deliberate misuse of national security intelligence data, if proven, could be "a high crime" under the Constitution's impeachment clause. It would also be a violation of federal criminal law, including the broad federal anti-conspiracy statute, which renders it a felony "to defraud the United States, or any agency thereof in any manner or for any purpose."

http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/06/06/findlaw.analysis.dean.wmd/

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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 04:20 PM
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1. Investigate, Indict, Impeach
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 04:22 PM
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3. Incarcerate
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 04:22 PM
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7. that too :D
:hi:
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we can do it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-06-07 01:36 PM
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33. I Thought You Said Incinerate - hahaha
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-06-07 01:38 PM
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34. Definitely that!
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Nimrod2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 04:27 PM
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13. Imprison too...nt
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 09:49 PM
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28. Indeed!
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 04:21 PM
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2. Kick, even if I don't listen to the shit that bastard spews. - n/t
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Jawja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 04:22 PM
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5. They threw Trent
under the bus in favor of Dr. Frist and just maybe he's not quite over it? :shrug:
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 04:23 PM
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9. I think we'll be seeing a lot of that in the next year or two. - n/t
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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 05:04 PM
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20. bush threw Many of his own under the bus
Edited on Fri Jan-05-07 05:07 PM by lyonn
So far there is no evidence that the intel bush was spouting was legitimate. Start from there. If it wasn't bogus intel then prove it bush and your leaners. Will all those trashed under the bus come forward please?

Lies about personal behavior that only hurt those close to you vs. Lies that cause a country to go to war and thousands of unnecessary U.S. deaths is impeachable for heaven sakes.

Edit: learners vs leaners (those that are leaning on you type, ha)
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 05:17 PM
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23. Yes, they did. Precisely. Trent didn't believe in the rubber stamp, you see.
Trent also thought that the legislative branch was actually a separate entity, not an arm of the White House. They had to get rid of him, in favor of lackyboy Frist. So they did....
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OnceUponTimeOnTheNet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 09:32 PM
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26. Looks like Lotts opportunity for reprisal
has finally presented itself. He has waited a long time for this, Go For It Trent!
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 04:22 PM
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4. You are wrong trent
your party's leader was not pushing intel, he was lying and you knew it. He was lying intentionally and to save your own sorry worthless conservative republican carcass you are distancing yourself from your party's leader. You are a disgrace and I'm ashamed you are my senator.
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 04:22 PM
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6. Impeach the bastards!
Isn't there already more than enough evidence to show that Bush/Cheney and Administration knew the intelligence information was flawed and inaccurate? And yet they led the charge to go to war anyway.

Impeach them already, before they create any more problems. They are horrible leaders.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 04:23 PM
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8. "IF PROVEN"
That will be impossible. They'll simply cry "national security" and claim they looked at ALL of the information and had to act in the manner which they felt would best protect Amurka. I don't think there is a chance in hell this would work. They'd be out of office anyway before any such procedures could possibly conclude.

.
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Iwasthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 04:37 PM
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17. Maybe they WON'T be out of office
I have said all along, "There is NOTHING they won't do!" Marshall law would be a stunt they would try to pull. There is liable to be no election in 2008! Unless we get tough NOW!!!!!!!
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 04:23 PM
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10. Shiv Sticking 101 By Trent Lott
n/t
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 04:23 PM
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11. Trent knows how to wait. Revenge is a dish best served cold.
They pushed him out...he bided his time, and now, he's pushing back.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 04:34 PM
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15. Was going to quote exactly the same saying there. nt
Edited on Fri Jan-05-07 04:35 PM by Bluebear
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AnotherMother4Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-06-07 01:28 PM
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31. Another old saying: Be careful who you step on to get to the top,
Those are the same people you will meet on your way down. OR Never burn any bridges, you may need them to get back.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 04:35 PM
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16. The snake is in the grass...
Lott will NEVER forget what they did to him. From what I understand, he was deeply HURT by it. Actually, I can't say that I blame him. He'll get his sweet revenge. Take that one to the bank...
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 05:15 PM
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22. And I imagine, in the collegial Senate, that he will remember that the FIRST Senator to call him
after his house blew away in Katrina was John Kerry, who sent along a planeload of supplies for Trent and his neighbors.
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 04:25 PM
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12. Pushing the evidence
:shrug: what did he say?
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 04:33 PM
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14. Well, well. Maybe we should allow Lottie his vengeance. What's worse
Edited on Fri Jan-05-07 04:34 PM by The Backlash Cometh
for Bush and Cheney? I say being bitch slapped by one of their own bitches is just Ohhhhh, delicious! Cat fight! <snarl>
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 04:54 PM
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19.  GW Bush- High Crimes and Misdemeanors.
GW Bush- High Crimes and Misdemeanors.

1. "A Crime Against Peace." Initiating a war of aggression against a nation that posed no immediate threat to the U.S.--a war that has needlessly killed 2550 Americans and maimed and damaged over 20,000 more, while killing over 100,000 innocent Iraqi men, women and children, is the number one war crime according to the Nuremberg Charter, a document which was largely drawn up by American lawyers after World War II.

2. Lying and organizing a conspiracy to trick the American people and the U.S. Congress into approving an unnecessary and illegal war. This is defined as "A Conspiracy to Commit a Crime Against Peace" in the Nuremberg Charter, to which the U.S. is a signatory.

3. Approving and encouraging, in violation of U.S. and international law, the use of torture, kidnapping and rendering of prisoners of war captured in Iraq and Afghanistan and in the course of the so-called War on Terror. Note that the Hamdan decision actually declares Bush to have violated the Third Geneva Convention on Treatment of Prisoners of War, which means the justices are in effect calling the president a war criminal. Under U.S. and international law, if prisoners have died because of such a violation--and many have died in illegal US captivity because of torture authorized by this president--the penalty is death (a point made to the president in a warning memo written by his then White House counsel Alberto Gonzales, the text of which is published in full in the appendix of our book).

4. Illegally stripping the right of citizenship and the protections of the Constitution from American citizens, denying them the fundamental right to have their cases heard in a court, to hear the charges against them, to be judged in a public court by a jury of their peers, and to have access to a lawyer.

5. Authorizing the spying on American citizens and their communications by the National Security Agency and other U.S. police and intelligence agencies, in violation of the First and Fourth Amendments and the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA).

6. Obstructing investigation into and covering up knowledge of the deliberate exposing of the identity of a U.S. CIA undercover operative, and possibly conspiring in that initial outing itself.

7. Obstructing the investigation into the 9-11 attacks and lying to investigators from the Congress and the bi-partisan 9-11 Commission--actions that come perilously close to treason. (Former Florida Senator Bob Graham, who headed the Senate Intelligence Committee until his retirement at the end of 2002, has called this the president's most impeachable crime.)

8. Violating the due process and other constitutional rights of thousands of citizens and legal residents by rounding them up and disappearing or deporting them without hearings.

9. Abuse of power, undermining of the Constitution and violating the presidential oath of office by deliberately refusing to administer over 750 acts duly passed into law by the Congress--actions with if left unchallenged would make the Congress a vestigial body, and the president a dictator.

10. Criminal negligence in failing to provide American troops with adequate armor before sending them into a war of choice, criminal negligence in going to war against a weak, third-world nation without any planning for post war occupation and reconstruction, criminal negligence in failing to respond to a known and growing crisis in the storm-blasted city of New Orleans, and criminal negligence in failing to act, and in fact in actively obstructing efforts by other countries and American state governments, to deal with the looming crisis of global warming.

I believe that Rep. Conyers has the evidence required to move forward on Impeachment of GW Bush and VP Cheney. The question is: Will Conyers present that evidence?
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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 05:18 PM
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24. Yes to all of the above, guess we must impeach
nt
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GreatCaesarsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 04:48 PM
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18. i doubt junior will be sitting on lott's new front porch anytime soon
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brazos121200 Donating Member (626 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 05:15 PM
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21. Knowing what we now know, there is clearly enough evidence
to begin impeachment proceedings of President Bust & VP Cheney. I would hate to be in their shoes facing the prospect of being investigated by a hostile congress, with all committees in the control of the Dermocrats. Going to war on cooked evidence clearly rises to the level of high crimes and misdemeanors, that will be the cornerstone of the indictment. There are many more areas to be looked at also, though, starting with domestic surveillance of phone, email, and now we know mail communications. Conyers, Dingel, et al will be very busy boys in the coming months and years.
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OnceUponTimeOnTheNet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 09:45 PM
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27. I think Waxman and his crew
will bring us the most delight over the next two years. Waxman! That's the Man.

http://www.henrywaxman.house.gov/
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133724 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 09:16 PM
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25. It is also called Treason
under the "Levying of War against the United States" clause of the Constitution.....
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-06-07 03:32 AM
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29. It is also called Terrorism -- The Worst Act of it in History
The impeachable treason was literally TERRORISM (let's stop euphemizing).

It was a bomb threat. Pure and simple.

They Terrorized the American People with threats of "mushroom clouds."

It wasn't "pushing," or "misleading," or "exaggerating," or "cherry-picking," or anything else the DC/Euphemedia Analstocracy has to tell themselves to avoid the stinking elephant carcass in the National Living Room.

This never-elected, never-legitimate cabal purposely terrorized the nation for power, fun, and profit.

Only Impeachment can address a crime of this magnitude.

It is the ONLY substantive act the DC Dems can take with their new "majority."

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stubtoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-06-07 11:51 AM
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30. Speaking up NOW, after the midterms?
sigh
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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-06-07 01:34 PM
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32. That is a huge stretch. IMHO
Lott has been saying he thought they cherry picked what they wanted us to hear. IMHO this quote read in light of the others simply says the same. I don't see Lott accusing them of making things up - just cherry picking.

BTW - prior to decision 06 the R's were given permission by the WH to break ranks on Iraq.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-06-07 01:58 PM
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35. This will print out well on standard printer paper
Edited on Sat Jan-06-07 02:44 PM by alfredo



From solarcooking.org


Wheat paste

Prepare 1 cup of very hot water. Make a thin mixture of 3 tablespoons of white flour and cold water (just enough to wet all the flour and make it liquid enough to pour). Pour the cold mixture slowly into the hot water while stirring constantly. Bring to a boil. When it thickens, allow to cool. Smear on like any other glue. For slightly better strength, add 1 tablespoon (15 ml) of sugar after the glue is thickened. After using a portion, reheat the remaining in a covered jar or container to sterilize it for storage or keep refrigerated. If wheat flour is not available, other flours will work.


Check local laws on wheat pasting. You could get in hot water if caught. Staying within the law is preferable to breaking the law. You can staple or tape posters to Kiosks, but they will either be torn down or covered by some local rock band or earn at home flier. If it lasts an hour, good enough.

this is a stencil. Transfer it to card stock. Cut out the black with craft knife of your choice. Again, remember there are laws against defacing property. I do not endorse lawless activity.

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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-06-07 03:00 PM
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37. Like this recipe! Thanks!
Excellent!
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-06-07 03:08 PM
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38. It is great for making paper Mache' too.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-06-07 03:10 PM
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39. I'll bet it is.
Great one. I do lots of crafting projects with kids' groups. Good to know.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-06-07 03:36 PM
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40. My crafts are usually centered around gardening and kite making.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-07-07 11:29 AM
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41. Really? Kite making? How cool!
Now that's one that I haven't pursued yet - and should. Gardening, though, is another matter. LOVE it, LOVE it, LOVE it!

:headbang:
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-07-07 10:53 PM
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46. One artist said it is sculpting the sky.
I get a lot of ideas and materials here.

http://www.intothewind.com/
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-06-07 02:53 PM
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36. Who was it that said Cheney had his own desk at the CIA so he could cherry pick
the Intel to fit his war? Was that Richard Clarke? I can't remember, but Cheney DEFINITELY cherry picked intelligence to fit his march to war and ignored anything that pointed him in a different direction. Off to The Hague!
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OnceUponTimeOnTheNet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-07-07 05:02 PM
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42. kick
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cool user name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-07-07 05:20 PM
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43. Kicking and screaming!
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AndreaCG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-07-07 08:14 PM
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44. I don't see that as an admission
Although there is plenty of evidence available if the Dems can pry it out of the traitorous WH.

Unfortunatley Alito will be a Bush butt boy. Roberts I only have a sliver more comnfidence that he might not stomp on the constitution but not much.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-07-07 10:19 PM
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45. Wow, and this comes from Trent Lott of all people...
:wow:
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