BUSH Admin Wants Your Internet Provider To Track EVERY Web Site You Visit

[kpete]

Feds pushing for Internet records

BY JOHN REINAN
McClatchy Newspapers



MINNEAPOLIS — The federal government wants your Internet provider to keep track of every Web site you visit.

For more than a year, the U.S. Justice Department has been in discussions with Internet companies and privacy rights advocates, trying to come up with a plan that would make it easier for investigators to check records of Web traffic.

The idea is to help law enforcement track down child pornographers. But some see it as another step toward total surveillance of citizens, joining warrantless wiretapping, secret scrutiny of library records and unfettered access to e-mail as another power that could be abused.

"I don't think it's realistic to think that we would create this enormous honeypot of information and then say to the FBI, 'You can only use it for this narrow purpose,'" said Leslie Harris, executive director of the Center for Democracy & Technology, a Washington, D.C.-based group that promotes free speech and privacy in communication.

more at:
http://www.grandhaventribune.com/paid/317067006680886.bsp

[screembloodymurder]

1. And we're not allowed to know who visits the WH.

Let's get this SOB out of office.

[Initech]

4. Ding ding ding!!!!

We're slowly moving into a totalitarian state minute by minute. I bet Joesph Stalin would be foaming at the mouth over the things that Bush is able to get away with.

[EVDebs]

25. All screening by Jeff Gannon et al and the NSA censors, of course

BTW, what is the policy of DU re allowing access to our personal info via this site ? DU may be able to petition Congress on this issue & score points for the 1st and 4th amendments to Constitution.

[intheflow]

59. Here ya go:

DU's Privacy Statement

[rodeodance]

2. I have no trust in gov snooping cause it is that and that only.

[ToolTex]

3. Then kick this so everyone sees it.

[originalpckelly]

5. Malloy fans, it's time to push back:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=3055829&mesg_id=3055829

[xultar]

6. Well they'll see I like to visit....

Http://www.WBushsucksbigsweatydonkeyballs.com


:rofl:

Just kidding but it is open for purchase.

[Jeanette in FL]

13. OMG, that is too funny

You are hysterical. Yeah, there is a bunch of websites I wish they would visit.

:toast:

[hunter]

16. They're trying to figure out where those pictures came from...

... of George W. Bush sucking sweaty donkey balls. They're all over the internet, if you know where to look. Geez, the American people are always the last to know.

The sad thing is, I assumed they were photoshops.

:silly:

[xultar]

28. Nope they are gen-u-ine W sucking big sweaty donkey ball pron

[Seabiscuit]

42. Oops!! Just clicked on your link. Gitmo here I come!!!

[lonestarnot]

7. Snoop'n bastards better back off, (Yosemite Sam)

[nam78_two]

8. K&R. And if they are looking for people into child porn

A bust of the GOP is overdue :eyes:
http://www.armchairsubversive.com

[eppur_se_muova]

15. They only want their bookmarks. nt

[Tsiyu]

9. All they want to do is give law enforcement more power

to destroy their enemies' lives.

Had a local yokel lawyer tell me the other day, "911 changed everything in the courts."

WE were discussing a situation where a very wealthy university protects its students at the expense of poor local kids. The university goes after the poor kids for petty drug crimes and refuses to let the county patrol their campus. Hell, any raid on a frat house would turn up more drugs than you'd find in a large city at any given time, but surely "those sweet, innocent rich kids can't be trafficking drugs!" It must be the poor local kids, cooking pizza and cleaning houses for a living and attending community college who are the big drug kingpins!

So they use the new laws on search and siezure and wiretapping and mandatory minimums to absolutely destroy the lives of these poor local kids while the wealthy sons and daughters of Repukes keep on snorting their cocaine and roaming around the campus drunk and high on ecstasy.

It LOOKS like they're tough on crime, anyway. And George Bushie's laws protect the very kids who act just like he did when he was in school so it all works out great.

WE have no Constitution anymore, folks. I am witnessing the destruction of the poor and middle class firsthand, as I see the children of the wealthy get away with felonies while the poor kids take the fall.

It is heartbreaking. And this is a "Christian" university....go figure...."Who would Jesus opppress and harrass?"

These internet laws are the same thing. Going after child pornography, my ass. They want to destroy the lives of their enemies and protect the wealthy.

[Maccagirl]

10. You guys are GOOD

excellent replies all! Anyone with half a brain would know this isn't about porn at all.

[WiseButAngrySara]

11. KNR ....n/t

[Don_1967]

12. Tracking web sites,

warrant less wiretapping, secret scrutiny of library records,unfettered access to e-mail and don't forget snail mail.this is truly a free nation.:sarcasm:

[w4rma]

14. Look at China and Iran to see the results of where this will lead. (nt)

[provis99]

17. oh no! now they'll know we all visit DU!

[MazeRat7]

18. The irony is the people they should be most concerned about "know" how to not be tracked.... -nt

[smtpgirl]

20. Exactly

[Recursion]

33. The penguin says it all

I'm amazed at how many people claim they are concerned about the privacy of their emails, for instance, but can't be bothered to simply configure and use a PGP mail encryption suite, which is freely available.

[smtpgirl]

19. We are half way there anyway

AOL
Google
MSN
Yahoo....

all have mainframes of data storage, you can bet that you have archived stuff on google from DU.

[Union Thug]

21. Guess it's time to start visiting every questionable site on the internet...over and over again..

When all else fails, overwhelm them with exactly what they are looking for.

[SalmonChantedEvening]

22. I guess only THEIR privacy is worthy of protection. n/t

[mnhtnbb]

23. If Big Brother doesn't know where you've been on the internets, how can he be Big Brother?

[EVDebs]

26. ...contracted out to Little Brother in the Bahamas

Bahamas Firm Screens Personal Data To Assess Risk
Operation Avoids U.S. Privacy Rules

By Robert O'Harrow Jr.
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, October 16, 2004; Page A01

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A36853-2004Oct15.html

Global Information Group Ltd., hmmmmm. Expect to find linkage to Choicepoint et al sooner or later.

[Nutmegger]

24. All ISPs archive data

The only difference is that Agent Blowhard isn't looking at it. I'm so sick of this crap. Mail, websites, phone calls. Enough is enough. I want my privacy. Every day these bastards are raping us of our privacy.

[EVDebs]

27. I don't mind if they'd just get a warrant first, but this stuff is sooo

exploitable by the unscrupulous (read Republican Party) that it just ain't funny anymore.

[Recursion]

32. They archive less than you think

I used to work for one. The logistics of simply storing more than a couple of days' worth of data become difficult, and search and retrieval become downright impossible.

That said, use proxies, and use SSL whenever available.

[Jcrowley]

29. K&R n/t

[Neoma]

30. Hahahaha, bastards.

:grr:

[Recursion]

31. *shrug* use an encrypted proxy server

Even NSA is going to have trouble plowing through tens of thousands (or even hundreds) of triple-DES-encrypted site traffic logs.

[derby378]

34. A "how-to" would be nice, if one's available

Stickin' it to The Man! I'm all for that.

[Recursion]

35. Start here

http://www.proxy4free.com/

If you are about stickin' it to the man from a computational standpoint, ditch your proprietary operating system (if you use one) and switch to Linux or OpenBSD. Sadly, in this day and age security and privacy are only possible if you are willing to pay for them with your time and effort.

Another place to start is with email. Here is a list of resources you can use to send PGP-signed and -encrypted emails. Big Brother can still know that Alice sent an email to Bob, but will have no idea what the email said, and no way of altering the email in transit. Download a suite, generate a public key, and urge anyone you communicate with to do the same. Your communications are only as secure as you are willing to make them.

[derby378]

36. Thanks!

Good to know that PGP is still frustrating government stickbeaks... :hi:

[rman]

54. "Big Brother can still know that Alice sent an email to Bob"

That may be all they need to know, the fact that the message is encrypted makes it all the more suspicious to them. You know how they are: "better safe than sorry". Or as Ashcroft put it: "...waiting for a crime to be committed, or waiting for there to be evidence of the commission of a crime didn’t seem to us to be an appropriate way to protect the American people." - see "The Power of Nightmares" (BBC).

[MasonJar]

37. George, you do not have to ask my internet provider; just give

me a call and I will personally tell you. Also while I am at it I will refresh your memory on why I consider you an arrogant, stupid, warmongering coward.

[Pushed To The Left]

38. This kind of thing makes me glad that I'm an ACLU donor!

We need groups like them now more than ever.

www.aclu.org

[sofa king]

39. Criswell Predicts....

A free plugin for Firefox which senses when your Internet connection is open and not being used, which will load random Internet pages, some from a pre-selected list of semi-annoying websites like this. The program should be random enough in its behavior that a prosecutor (or silent observer) will be unable to prove whether or not a user was responsible for the website choice.

Thus, as a direct result of this intrusion of privacy, federal law enforcement will actually be hindered, both in observing users' behavior and attempting to prosecute or defame them for visiting off-color websites.

If it doesn't exist already, someone has a chance to make the world a better place.

[Porcupine]

41. Everyone could add PGP coded crap to all their e-mails

somebody please write a PGP program that would allow me to quickly add 15K to 25K of randomly encoded crap to every e-mail I send.

Or better yet an encoding system that allows you to put a few lines of text into a JPG file. Every internet post you put on a blog could have a picture of a "flower" with "Buck Fush" or some such coded into the pix.

The NSA could go quietly insane trying to figure out which coded pictures they needed to hack for actual data. :evilgrin:

[nolabels]

40. The joke has to be on bush and his back seat bench warmers

Mostly i see it as not a problem of where anybody else has been but more of where bush was and where * is now :thumbsdown:

Hey loser bush, get a life x(

[magellan]

43. While I appreciate the desire by some to go into stealth mode

...I absolutely refuse to do so. I have a dual-boot Windows/Linux system merely because I enjoy the challenge of learning something new. (It was a thread on DU that finally encouraged me to try Linux.) I don't encrypt my email and will not ever.

I am worried about the government snooping into every aspect of my life if they please -- not because I have anything to hide, but because it's WRONG. But I'll be damned if I'll let their descent into fascism curb my right to go where I like on the internet, and to say and think as I please. IMHO to do that not only lets the fuckers win, it also means I've given up on being an American. They can diminish themselves, they won't diminish me.

I won't be oppressed, and I am not contrite about it either!

[usregimechange]

44. Will this be Ashcroft's definition of child porn?

[Eric J in MN]

45. This is Total Information Awareness.

A disgusting policy. Even conservative William Safire came out against TIA.

[oasis]

46. Bush is a power mad, would-be dictator and should be impeached.

Immediately.

[Ladyinblack]

50. Immediately

He is. He seems to believe he can act as dictator. We have let him. It is time to stop his grasp for power while we can, if we can.

[focusfan]

47. i wish this s.o.b could be stopped

this president has too much power he needs to be brought down
and congress needs to put him in his place make him a lame
duck.

[Marr]

48. This has as much to do with child pornography as

warrantless domestic phone taps (which started *before* 9-11) has to do with terrorism. Nothing at all, in other words.

These people are extreme authoritarians.

[Deja Q]

49. OMG, I download royalty free photos, babble about sci-fi,

and poke in the lounge.

Send e-mails to mommy and daddy too.

Go to videohelp.com to get tips and tricks to archive my VHS collection to DVD.

Ooogie boogie, am I such a threat? :crazy:

They can read what they want for all I care. I'm as dangerous as a freshly made omelet.

Now I'm hungry. :9






I just feel sorry for all those hackers who use the net to make and deploy malware. :sarcasm:

[rman]

53. Not you but the government will decide how dangerous you are.

Based on whatever 'evidence' they choose - which you won't even be allowed to see, let alone challenge.
In the mean time the Government is becoming ever more secretive.

[helderheid]

51. GAAAHH!!!

[philosophie_en_rose]

52. So who is responsible, when someone leeches from others' wireless?

:shrug:

[electron_blue]

55. The real danger from this comes in what they claim that you're doing.

You could be innocent as a church mouse, but if they *say* you're doing something illegal on your computer and they can "prove" it, then it somehow becomes your biggest problem in life. This is what I see is the biggest threat from this.

As an example, a few years ago my a Major Motion picture company's lawyers contacted me through my cable provider and claimed they caught me selling a popular movie on the Internet. It was all b.s., I never did anything of the kind, heck I've never even downloaded a movie to watch. I called b.s. on them and threatened to take them court over this. They went all the way and then dropped it short of court. The letters I got from them were very threatening and scary and it sounded like they had proof. They kept saying "we tracked this sale to your IP address and we know for a fact it's you".

Once it's out there that Bush et al. is allowed to do this legally, all they have to claim is that they found something illegal (such as child porn or terroristic files) on your computer and they can "prove it" and you could disappear pretty quickly for a long time under the Patriot Act. No such thing as justifiable cause or search anymore.

Bottom line: once they say they're collecting *everything* they don't have to sift through it, they can claim whatever they want and jail someone indefinitely.

[TroubleMan]

56. Chesters and terrorists - give up all your privacy or they'll get you or your kids.

If the give up all your privacy and rights plea doesn't work with "the terrorists are coming to get'cha," then they'll try to scare you with the chesters.

The funny thing is that most child porn is made outside of the USA, and it really isn't a big problem here. They want to eavesdrop on all Americans for what mostly is and overseas problem.

[Eurobabe]

57. Fuck the Bush Administration!!

This is such bullshit.

[The Count]

58. Guilt by association will be so easy! remember that ad against a Democrat

candidate saying he dialed a porn number? (even if the records showed it was a wrong number). Oh, the possibilities!