They are still out there, the zombies and bush bots

[nadinbrzezinski]

So I went to do my demo to the local game store

And I struck a conversation with a "possible customer" about a possible future line... it is tittled future conflicts and yes it is peppered with the Project of the New American Century, part two

So the first project I am working on is a future war with Venezuela, remember this is a war game, but it is taken out straight out of the headlines... and what chickenhawks want to do.

So this guy tells me... "am I going to be able to hang Hugo?"

I answered, it may be in a final scenario, but why would you like to do that?

Well you know...

No I don't

We hung Sadamn

Yes, and that trial was full of problems

Well it was an Iraqi problem

No, war crimes are a world's problem, he should have been sent to the Hague, where incidentally we would have had the who's who of the Bush One Admin testify why we gave Sadamn WMDs.

Well he's dead and he got more than Mussolini

No, he was lynched by the Shia, it just took them a little longer.

Damn liberal!

Yep, one who has served too. I see you have a son and you are damn too old for the recruiter, let me hook your son up...

At that point this guy paled, and stood up shaking like a leaf. I added some salt... "perhaps the commander in chief will add the draft by executive order and YOUR SON will be drafted to go fight that war you approve so much as long as it is somebody else's skin in the game... now as I was saying here are the problems with the trial,

1.- Four judges until they found one that would convict no matter what

2.- The charges were those that any national leader is allowed to do, go after those who want to kill them, and don't tell me the Secret Service will not send agents if we speak ill of the President.

3.- Three defense lawyers who were killed...

4.- The executioners were not agents of the state but of Mugtada Al Sadr, perhaps you need to go watch the actual telephone video with sound on you tube.

5.- Sadamn was NOT tried for any of the actual war crimes he committed, some of them aided and aboded by us.

So exactly what form of justice is this? Oh yes, Western Justice, at the end of a rope. We call it lynching.

He just stood there, quiet... as if I had hit him in the gut with a sledgehammer. I doubt he'll buy any product, but he is not a role player so he was not going to anyhow.

[rpgamerd00d]

1. What do you sell ? :)

Anyway, nice story.

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. A roleplayuing game called

Future Nexus... and the time line is peppered with a lot of what is going on right now

The link is in my sig

But here you go

www.deistgames.com

[Kahuna]

2. Bravo!!

:applause:

[Psephos]

4. A million people or more dead because of him

He took the presidency by bloody force. Then he sat on a stage in a packed theater and smoked a cigar as he called up his opponents by name, who were then taken from the room and summarily shot. You could hear the gunshots.

He invaded Iran and started a war in which at least 800,000 died. He invaded Kuwait and started a war so he could become the world's oil king. His presidency was maintained by an army of secret police who disappeared anyone who opposed him. His sons were sadists who thought raping teenagers and then killing their protesting parents were business as usual.

Surely you can find another, more worthy target for your indignation. There are thousands of people deserving your attention, who are suffering grave miscarriages of justice, but who have never hurt or killed anyone. If nothing else, go to the Amnesty International website and read up on some people who could benefit from your actions on their behalf.

In my opinion you are politicizing the death of a thug not because you care about his justice, but because you oppose BFEE. Hey, I oppose BFEE too, but that doesn't make me shed crocodile tears for one of the most unjust men of the last hundred years.

Saddam got better than he gave. That's rough justice to me. Next.

Peace.

[demigoddess]

5. Saddam did that with the blessings and arms from the US and

we did not say a thing for a long time. As long as the dictator is 'non communist' we will let them get away with murder and not raise a finger.

[Psephos]

7. Who cares who helped him? It has nothing at all to do with his accountability.

France and Russia helped him plenty, too (reactors and military hardware, for starters). So did the oil kings of the Middle East who looked the other way.

I'm not excusing US friendliness to Saddam in the 80s in the least, nor anyone else's. Realpolitik *should be* condemned, and the US is right up there at the top of the offenders' list. But to conflate this with questions of whether Saddam ultimately got what he deserved is disingenuous or worse. The truth is, he didn't get what he deserved. He got better.

Let's keep these two issues separate, otherwise it sounds like tyrant-enabling to me.

Peace.

[nadinbrzezinski]

9. You want accountabilty

WE ARE ALSO ACCOUNTABLE

How'se it going over there

[Psephos]

12. Yes, I want you to be accountable for why you don't seek justice for someone more deserving

Although I think I already know why.

[nadinbrzezinski]

13. Like who?

as I said, if we surrender our standards of justice, as in real standards of justice just because a lynching is more convenient, then what have we learned?

Compare this joke of a trial with I don't know, Nuremberg, hell even the Tokyo Military Tribunal and then come back to me ok.

Reality is, many of the current administration (or recently forced out, such as RummyP) deserved to be ON THE DOCKET with Hussein

And he was not tried for his crimes aganst humanity, but for a charge that any national leader is recgonzed to have the abitly to pursue, and that is those who plot against them

If you cannot see the problem with this trial I cannot help you.

[G Hawes]

16. Yet, you're hawking a video game about it?

I don't quite get that, I guess.

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. If you saw the official video

and then READ the accounts of what the video smuggled out you'd get it

I don't need to watch it, but those for whom Teevee is the only evidence, need to.

Look, I am not the one saying that this was all just and great. In fact, I have called this what it was, a lynching

And yes there are some folks out there who will NOT believe something like the taunting that happened, well happened, if they do not see it with their own eyes. This gentleman falls in this caterogry and it seems some on DU as well

By the way I am oposed to the DP, but I also realize that if we are going to get rid of it, people who aprove of it should watch and executions should be public

Before you scream... why do you think they moved inside the prison yard?

Studying a little history of the issue will make it plain for you

[booley]

15. I hand some one a gun to shoot somebody...

..and they shoot somebody, under the law I am just as liable for that murder as the guy who actually pulled the trigger.

why hold national leaders to lesser standerds then we hold ourselves too?

So if you actually give a damn about those people saddam killed you had better care who helped him. Becuase not only was the US gov who helped put him in power, not only the US gov that helped keep in power to counter iran, not only the US gov that gave him the weapons to kill his own people (and the money to buy MORE weapons from the french and russians) and not only the US gov that turned a blind eye to it al until it became convenient to suddenly turn on the mock outrage...but the US give continues ot do this same thing with other murderouse thugs.

If you dont' care abotu who helped Saddam then there will only be more killing. Becuase a lot of the people who helped Saddam are still in the halls of power.

What good is getting rid of the thugs if you leave the big boss alone?

[nadinbrzezinski]

8. And WE aided and abbeted him while he gassed

the Kurds... did you hear any peep of complaining from the White House in the 1980s?

We provided the intelligence that led to his successes in the battlefield against the Iranians (who we ware also cynically playing like fiddles) You may remember Iran-Contra, there WAS an Iraqi component

he deserved a JUST TRIAL, not the farce that he got.

Any other questions?

After all, if you cannot see how much of a mob lynching this was, I cannot help you

[Psephos]

11. Tyrant co-dependency, IMO

You use Saddam as a surrogate for US accountability. In other words, you politicize his trial and execution for your own ends. To you, this isn't about justice for Saddam, but about making BFEE look bad. Talk about co-opting a fair trial.

I say the two issues are separate. (BFEE is such an easy target, anyway - why pollute the attack?) Nothing prevents us from condemning US mollycoddling of Saddam in the 1980s, nor the meddling of other nations, too (France's Osirak reactor, and Russia's equipping of the Iraqi military come to mind). But when we tie the two issues together, we attempt to soften Saddam. There was nothing soft about what he did to hundreds of thousands of unfortunates.

Think occasionally of the suffering of which you spare yourself the sight.
- Albert Schweitzer

My opinions, nothing more, nothing less.

[nadinbrzezinski]

14. What part of change judges until we could get a conviction

and do not guarantee the security of the defense team are you purposely missing?

I did not politize the trial. The Iraqis did. What is worst, they also held a lynch mob, since it was not agents of the state who carried it out but members of the militias

Again if you cannot see that, I cannot help you

[booksenkatz]

6. According to zombie expert Max Brooks

the best way to deal with a zombie is to cut its head off. Ideally with a machete.



Not sure what to do with bushbots. You're on your own there!

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. The next best thing, from, the trembling I saw

is to have to put some of their skin in the game