PLEASE email NOAA to demand an answer RE: Dennis Feltgen's false global warming claim

[Harper_is_Bush]

If you haven't seen this, you need to:
http://video.msn.com/v/us/fv/msnbc/fv.htm??g=0e3c8471-e243-43ad-a98c-7dadd99bdf1c&f=00&fg=copy

It's titled "The cause behind the strange weather"

Dennis Feltgen, a meteorologist with NOAA, goes on the segment to explain "once and for all this strange winter"

News idiot Brian says "Dennis, I don't think a day goes by (note that Feltgen starts smirking at this point, then catches himself. v.strange)I don't hear someone say 'what are we doing to our planet', blaming this on some kind of global warming trend, so once and for all, what is it?"

Feltgen says: "it's not global warming at all Brian, it's El Nino, El Nino, El Nino (as he bangs fist)."
Goes on to say it's causing "all" of the strange weather.

The fact is that many scientists are saying El Nino will be more frequent and more pronounced due to the added inputs of global warming.

HERE IS THE CONTACT PAGE FOR NOAA:
http://www.noaa.gov/contacts.html
NOAA MEDIA CONTACT PAGE:
http://www.publicaffairs.noaa.gov/reporters.html

PLEASE GO THERE, PULL OFF ALL THE EMAIL ADDY'S YOU CAN FIND, AND LET THEM KNOW YOU DON'T APPRECIATE BEING LIED TO ABOUT GLOBAL WARMING.

Here's mine:


Hello

In this segment I watched Dennis Feltgen from NOAA tell us emphatically that global warming has nothing to do with our current warmth:

I have heard/read several scientists saying that global warming quite POSSIBLY could make El Nino more frequent and more pronounced.

Please tell me: Does NOAA stand behind Dennis Felgen's absolute claim that global warming has absolutely nothing to do with our current unseasonable warmth?

And if so can you direct me to information that supports this position, please?

thankyou

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[leftchick]

1. thank you

that spot infuriated me as well as Brian williams. :grr:

[spanone]

22. NBC just had Robert Bazell flesh out that story that had many scientists disputing his claims.

[Warpy]

2. Well, a pox on those of us with long memories

because I've heard El Nino blamed for dry seasons as well as wet ones here in New Mexico. My own take is that the climatologists don't have a clue what the phenomenon does outside of western South America. It has profound effects on both the mountain and shoreline ecologies, as well as in the ocean ecology, but it seems to be only a whipping boy for our weather.

It's like blaming "liberals" for everything bad in the world when nobody has a clue what a liberal stands for or how they can possibly wreak so much havoc after being out of power for 37 years.

There is a lot more research needed about El Nino/La Nina patterns and exactly what they do, if anything, to the climate above the Equator.

[Gman]

3. This year it is El Nino

at least in our part of the country. We're having the classic wet and mild winter. In fact, before January's over, we may even see a "heavy" (4-6 inches) snow here in South Central Texas if we get an Arctic blast and a low coming our of Mexico. That's a classic El Nino pattern.

And I don't think global warming will make El Nino's more frequent. No one really know what causes an El Nino. I personally think it originates with the volcanic vents at the bottom of the Pacific. Possibly some years these vents are much more active and heat the Pacific water causing an El Nino.

Global warming will have it's own effects and may even enhance or possibly exacerbate an El Nino but global warming and El Nino are mutually exclusive. In other words, global warming does not and will not cause more frequent El Nino's. Our weather this year is classic El Nino.

[Harper_is_Bush]

4. I did not say there is no El Nino this year. Global Warming is a big factor though...

Global Warming And Warm Weather: Connected?
...
Scientists say there are always immediate causes contributing to warm spells, such as the current warm El Nino patch that's appeared again in the Pacific.

But El Nino, like everything in earth's climate, is influenced one way or another by manmade global warming.

Climate scientists in the United Kingdom calculate that the current El Nino, combined with the additional warming effect of the increasing manmade greenhouse gases mean a better-than-even chance that 2007 will be the hottest year on earth since records have been kept.
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=weather&id=4911346

And I have seen several other reports indicating that Global Warming is making El Nino worse, and may make it more frequent.

Perhaps the jet streams are being pushed further North than El Nino alone could have accomplished. That seems very likely, so let's not make irresponsible statements like "This year it is El Nino", giving the impression that global warming is not a significant factor here.

[Gman]

6. Irresponsible statements?

You obviously don't know a whole helluva lot about the weather. No one knows what causes an El Nino nor can anyone (because we don't know why they happen) predict an El Nino accurately. An El Nino event very similar to the patterns this year caused the 11" snow in San Antonio and across South Texas in 1985. In fact it snowed 3 times in San Antonio in 1985. It hasn't measurably snowed in San Antonio since. Now, can you tell me if global warming was an issue in 1985 or was being blamed for weather events in 1985?

El Nino's occur when temperatures in the Eastern Pacific off S America rise. That is a given. Wouldn't it stand to reason that global warming warms the all the oceans rather than the Pacific off S America? Wouldn't that then negate the specific characteristics of an El Nino and just screw up the weather everywhere? And, if global warming were causing this year was causing this year's wacky weather, how do you explain 1985?

I stated my theory of what causes El Nino's in my post above. Global warming did NOT cause this year's weather pattern. Global warming may very well be enhancing the El Nino effects this year but, (at least IMHO) the two are mutually exclusive and you cannot prove otherwise because minds a whole lot more learned than us and with state of the art tools can't prove otherwise either. But this year's weather is not at all unusual for an El Nino year.

And, on edit, here's a sneak peak at what's in store for S Texas at the end of the 7-day forecast:

LATE NEXT WEEKEND/EARLY NEXT WEEK LOOKS TO GET VERY INTERESTING
FOR S TX AS AN ARCTIC FRONT DROPS INTO N/CENTRAL TX SATURDAY AND S
TX SATURDAY NIGHT...WITH WIDESPREAD OVERRUNNING PRECIPITATION
DEVELOPING BEHIND THE FRONT. HAVE HEAVILY UNDERCUT MEX GUIDANCE
TEMPS IN THE LATE WEEKEND WHEN GUIDANCE IS STRONGLY BIASED TOWARDS
CLIMO. HAVE INTRODUCED WINTER PRECIPITATION MIX FOR SUNDAY NIGHT
MAINLY OVER THE HILL COUNTRY AND PARTS OF S CENTRAL TX...BUT MUCH
WILL DEPEND ON TIMING AND STRENGTH OF ARCTIC AIRMASS.

http://www.srh.noaa.gov/fwd/productviewnation.php?pil=EWXAFDEWX&version=0

The "widespread" overruning is classic El Nino. It's not like this is completely unusual for January in S TExas, but an El Nino year makes freezing precipitation much more likely, not global warming.

[Harper_is_Bush]

8. Yes.

And now you're misrepresenting my statements.

I never said global warming caused El Nino this year, as you imply. You are emphatically saying it did not. That's irresponsible.

I also never said anyone knows what causes El Nino or that they can be predicted.

Not sure why you're taking these red herring stands.

Do you believe it can be said with certainty that global warming is not contributing to the warming this winter?
If not, you need to step off and read the OP.

[Gman]

12. For the record...

I do not mean to imply:

That you are saying that global warming caused El Nino this year. Nor do I mean to imply

that you said anyone knows what causes El Nino or that they can be predicted. I only state that as a fact because no one know what causes an El Nino.

I agree that global warming is probably enhancing the El Nino effect, but I'm not real sure to what degree, possibly if any, it is doing it.

El Nino got it's name long ago from the fishermen in S America that noticed that every now and then the water off S America in the Pacific would warm. They noticed that this would occur around Christmas, hence the name El Nino. My point is that El Nino has been around, maybe as long as the volcanic vents at the bottom of the Pacific and has been screwing up weather for as long which is long before global warming was even thought of.

Yes, global warming might be enhancing the El Nino effects this year, but frankly, I don't see much difference from past Los Ninos. What strikes me as more interesting is that 2006 officially surpassed 1998 as the hottest year on record. Now THAT is global warming. BTW, 1998 saw a torrential 13" rain and flood in San Antonio as a result of a very late in the year (October) hurricane off the Mexican coast. It possibly hooked up with a forming EL Nino and was maybe enhanced even at that time by global warming.

[Harper_is_Bush]

13. Well, you did. Thx for all the El Nino information, but none of it

detracts from the point of the OP.

[leftchick]

7. There is World Wide Climate Change

we are not talking just about the US and its el-nino effects. Warmer winters is a world wide problem. Williams and the NOA hack tried to isolate it to the US and el-nino.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=3064127&mesg_id=3064127

[druidity33]

11. first year ever...

that they didn't record any snowfall in Central Park, NYC in the month of December. At least for as long as they've been keeping definitive records. 1811 i think they said? Anyway here in MA, we are expecting it to be 70 degrees tomorrow. Different areas will see different results. All i can say is that i'm glad i live in the hills...

[Harper_is_Bush]

16. We can't look at the localized weather

but the globe as a whole is warmer everwhere this year. The records you speak of are occuring everywhere.

That's not JUST El Nino, as fools like the guy from NOAA would like us to think.

BTW, did you notice his smirk in the video? It was made at an inappropriate time I thought, indicitive of a pre-planned narrative of mocking the idea of global warming causing any of the current warming. Look at the OP, I detail when it occurs.

[druidity33]

18. We CAN! And We HAVE to!

"The records you speak of are occuring everywhere"

They ARE! The only way most people will recognize GWarming is if they are looking at LOCAL phenomena. And people are finally starting to realize... they see what's been happening and talk to relatives in different states. By all accounts, it's a little too late to think we can do anything about GWarming... but i'm glad at least people are finally starting to wake up.

[Harper_is_Bush]

14. "global warming does not and will not cause more frequent El Nino's"

Do you have support for this definitive statement?

How would you address this:

Are El Niños related to Global Warming?

El Niños are not caused by global warming. Clear evidence exists from a variety of sources (including archaeological studies) that El Niños have been present for hundreds, and some indicators suggest maybe millions, of years. However, it has been hypothesized that warmer global sea surface temperatures can enhance the El Niño phenomenon, and it is also true that El Niños have been more frequent and intense in recent decades. Recent climate model results that simulate the 21st century with increased greenhouse gases suggest that El Niño-like sea surface temperature patterns in the tropical Pacific are likely to be more persistent.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/globalwarming.html

Ironic it's from the same organization as Dennis Feltgen, since it clearly puts the lie to his definitive claim.

[Gman]

21. Yes I do. That is an accurate statement

and I think I already have.

[Harper_is_Bush]

5. Besides the emails in the OP, send to these as well:

[e-mail]
And this is for educators:
[e-mail]
I'd like to know if teachers should now teach that global warming has no effect on El Nino.

[nosmokes]

9. done. K&R!

and thanks for the heads up and putting the email addys together. well done! i'll be spreading this on.

[Harper_is_Bush]

15. ur welcome. spread away! n/t

[Reterr]

10. kr/eom

[Harper_is_Bush]

17. KICK. SEE ORIGINAL POST AND #5. TAKES 2 MINUTES TO SEND EMAIL, PLEASE DO. n/t

[Harper_is_Bush]

19. Bedtime kick. Please take some time to demand clarity from NOAA. thx, and goodnight. n/t

[nosmokes]

20. kick

:kick: