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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-07-07 05:57 PM
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"Cataclysmic Fight to the Death" (truthout)
This article discusses the coming clash between Congress and the Imperial Presidency. Will Gonzales continue to insist that the broad broad fig leaf of "national security and executive privilege" gives them the right to keep everything and anything secret indefinitely? Will he continue to insist that if B*sh does it "it's not illegal" like good old Tricky Dick did back in the day?
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/010707C.shtml

My question:
Can we impeach Abu Gonzales?
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Parisle Donating Member (849 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-07-07 06:10 PM
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1. This fight is coming, alright,....
--- It is not a fight between the democrats and republicans, nor between liberals and conservatives. It is the fight between the capitalists and the proletarians,... to borrow from Karl Marx. And it IS a fight to the death. Democrats thinking they are going to achieve some sort of political solution may be backed up to their very last electoral opportunity. And anyone believing that the vanquishing of the global corporatist-capitalist elite is going to be accomplished without bloodshed is out of their goddamned minds.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-07-07 08:10 PM
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8. Let's not get off the point, okay? This article has a plan of action that
we all need to look at, for where we here at DU and others can become active and helpful in the effort to restore the "balance of power" in our government, which is so gravely out of whack. We can have the fight between the capitalists and the proletarians later. I'm up for it. But this--and restoring transparent elections--is vital to all other political struggles we are, or might want to be, engaged in.

The writers lay out very clearly what they think is going to happen, and a broad plan of action in response...

"Notwithstanding administration delays and diversions, Congressional access to administration documents is likely to become a serious power struggle quite rapidly after the opening of the new Congress. A plausible scenario looks something like this:
A Congressional committee will request information.

"The administration will stonewall.

"The committee will issue a subpoena.

"Amidst a sea of justifications and vilifications, the administration will fail or refuse to produce documents.

"The committee will pass a contempt citation.

"The Senate or House will pass a contempt citation.

"The contempt citation will be referred to the Justice Department.

"The Justice Department will fail or refuse to bring contempt charges.


    "At that point Congress will have several options:
"It can make angry noises while in actuality accepting administration intransigence.

"It can pass legislation establishing a special prosecutor. It can appeal to the courts by suing the administration.

"It can establish a select committee or otherwise threaten impeachment against whatever officials it decides to hold accountable, from the president and vice-president through cabinet members and other top officials.


   " What choice Congress makes will depend largely on public perception of and response to the situation. For example, in the Watergate scandal, public outrage at the "Saturday Night Massacre" tipped the balance toward Congressional impeachment hearings. On the other hand, public disapproval of the attempt to impeach President Clinton actually contributed to a Democratic victory at the next elections.

    "Constitutionalists and progressives need to start planning proactively to prepare the public to respond appropriately and effectively to this impending confrontation.

    "First, that requires an ongoing interpretation to people of what is happening and what it means.

    "Second, it involves defining venues for action in which large numbers of people can participate. Representative John Conyers's mobilization of popular support for demanding information about the Downing Street memos represents on a small scale what will need to be done on a larger scale.

    "Third, it requires creating some kind of infrastructure or rapid-response network with the capacity to support such a mobilization.

   " Fourth, it calls for a broad coalition that reaches far beyond progressives to include conservatives committed to the rule of law and a broad public concerned about the abuse of presidential power and the preservation of democracy. Such a coalition already exists in nascent form, for example in the Constitution Project, which has brought together such improbable allies as Al Gore and Bob Barr to articulate concern about the Bush administration's abuse of presidential power.

   " The power and willingness of Congress to affect Bush's Iraq policies depends on using the vulnerability of the administration and its Republican supporters to severe loss of effective power, criminal investigation, and/or impeachment. That vulnerability is likely to be greatest, in turn, where the administration can be shown to engage in Nixonian abuse of government power to suppress information in its own interest.

    "A defeat of the Bush administration on the right of Congress and the public to know what the government is doing can be the starting point of a broader effort to establish institutional and cultural vehicles for controlling executive power - in short, for a transition to democracy."

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The authors...

    Jeremy Brecher is a historian whose books include Strike!, Globalization from Below , and, co-edited with Brendan Smith and Jill Cutler, In the Name of Democracy: American War Crimes in Iraq and Beyond (Metropolitan/Holt). He has received five regional Emmy Awards for his documentary film work. He is a co-founder of WarCrimesWatch.org.

    Brendan Smith is a legal analyst whose books include Globalization From Below and, with Brendan Smith and Jill Cutler, In the Name of Democracy: American War Crimes in Iraq and Beyond. He is current co-director of Global Labor Strategies and UCLA Law School's Globalization and Labor Standards Project, and has worked previously for Congressman Bernie Sanders (I-VT) and a broad range of unions and grassroots groups. His commentary has appeared in the Los Angeles Times, The Nation, CBS News.com, YahooNews and the Baltimore Sun. Contact him at smithb28@gmail.com.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-07-07 08:43 PM
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10. Thank you Peace Pat.. .
This is why we can't let up pressure. Having a majority (and razor thin in the Senate at that) just means that we are finally in a position to start the fight. The outcome is far from guaranteed.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-07-07 06:13 PM
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2. Yes, an Attorney General can be impeached, if judges can be
...and DAs and public defenders, certainly AGs can be thrown out of office for the same offenses as any elected official.
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-07-07 06:30 PM
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3. I keep thinking Abu Gonzalez will be the FIRST to be impeached ...
and Bu**sh** will have to appoint someone who can be approved by Congress.

Sort of the 'Bulgaria' strategy.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-07-07 07:28 PM
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6. I'm thinking it might make some things easier.
If the consigliere is gone there might be less obstruction possible.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-07-07 06:30 PM
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4. I think
It's a fight between those bullies who think they are entitled to plunder the earth, kill rape and take from others and give nothing in return VS those who are not bullies who care and have the capacity to share with others.

It is the violence loving abusive takers vs the more peace seeking able to love someone different than themselves, sharers.
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-07-07 07:34 PM
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7. In other words, it's a battle between good vs. evil.
If that is true, why NOT have the guts to come right out and say it? Even if the wingnuts say the same thing, from their POV. If they believe they are on the side of good, they have a pretty warped notion of what "good" is.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-08-07 04:02 PM
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11. Yeah it is a battle between good and evil
People with good personalities who don't want to lie exploit abuse and control each other, against people who want the 'freedom to abuse, control,lie to ,con,swindle,exploit and manipulate others.

Christianity does not a good person make.
Religion does not create good people out of people who are psychopaths.Psychopathy is a problem in what the person IS. You cannot cure it, only contain it.

Either you have a personality that is not sociopath and exploitative or you do.If you do you are my enemy.I do not trust you I do not want you to be in power and I think your personality is too toxic to be tolerated.

That is what the good and evil is I am referring to resides in, in certain personalities that will not,stop abusing others, even though they know it is wrong, they do it anyway and do not care who gets hurt...
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vickitulsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-07-07 06:37 PM
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5. Very good article, glad I read it -- thanks for the heads-up!
I too see this fight coming and believe it is by their investigations into White House criminality that our Dems now in power have the best chance of thwarting any plans to send more troops to Iraq or otherwise expand U.S. military involvement in the region.

Dems need to get busy (as they surely already are) with those investigations and hearings for the public to know about!

Voters were angry enough about BushCo's reckless warring in the Middle East to overcome the corrupted election process and sweep Dems into power in Congress. I believe they want and expect these same Dems to do whatever it takes to STOP the madman in the White House from more insane actions.


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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-07-07 08:15 PM
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9. Yes, we can impeach Gonzales
Hiowever, I'd rather just impeach Bush and Cheney and get ride of the whole fucking lot them that way.
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