In America. Right now. American Children and families in Concentration camps

[shance]

One of the first reports of the Detention facility in Taylor Texas was covered in the Austin Statesman newspaper on December 15th, 2006, which I have included below. Apparently there is a smaller facility in Pennsylvania as well.

Here is a clip from Morgaine's blog as well:

Friday, January 05, 2007
American Children in Concentration Camps

"David Neiwert explains it more clearly than I can, but suffice it to say that when Homeland Security pulled that big raid that supposedly rounded up thousands of illegal immigrants and criminals cast a much wider net than they admitted to. There are families in concentration camps in this country right now. Some of them were in the country legally and many have children who are American citizens.

The children who are big enough wear prison clothes. They are divided into groups under 12 and over 12 for their one hour of education a day, which is an English language class. They are permitted 1 hour of recreation a day, usually inside.

People are getting sick from the food. They're surrounded by barbed wire and guards with guns.

In America. Right now.

Most Germans didn't really pay attention when the Jews were rounded up, either.

The best place to learn more is Latina Lista. She's in Texas where this is happening and she's all over it."

http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2006/12/euphemisms.html

http://the-goddess.org/blog/

Groups highlight plight of jailed immigrant families
By JUAN CASTILLO
Cox News Service
Friday, December 15, 2006

AUSTIN, Texas — The T. Don Hutto Residential Center, a private detention facility in Taylor, Texas, is emblematic of new federal policy that detains all unauthorized immigrants from countries other than Mexico while the government determines whether they should be deported or have a legal right to be here.

The Taylor center is used for that purpose, but it and a much smaller one in Pennsylvania share a distinction: They are the only two such facilities in the country that hold immigrant families and children on non-criminal charges.

On Thursday, members of Texans United for Families, a coalition of community, civil rights and immigrant rights groups, sought to highlight that difference. Starting with a press conference at the state Capitol, then embarking on a 35-mile walk to the Taylor jail, they charged that detaining families and children under what they described as poor conditions is immoral and violates human rights.

"Housing families in for-profit prisons not only calls to question our moral values and our respect for human rights, but it is also a waste of taxpayer money," said Luissana Santibanez, a 25-year-old University of Texas student and an organizer with Grassroots Leadership, which works to stop the expansion of the private prison industry.

The Taylor jail began holding immigrant families this summer under a contract with the federal Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency. It is owned and operated by Corrections Corporation of America. Williamson County receives $1 per day for each inmate held there. A spokesman for the company referred questions to Immigration and Customs Enforcement's San Antonio office.

Nina Pruneda, a spokeswoman for the federal agency, said it was looking into the groups' complaints but would have no comment Thursday.

Upon learning about the protests, Rick Zinsmeyer, director of adult probation for Williamson County, said "I was told the purpose (of housing immigrant families) was to keep the families together, instead of separating them, so this is interesting."

Organizers of Thursday's press conference and walk said the Taylor jail houses about 400 people, including about 200 children who are held with their parents. They said children receive one hour of education — English instruction — and one hour of recreation per day, usually indoors.

Frances Valdez, an attorney with the Immigration Clinic at the University of Texas School of Law who has visited clients at the facility, said detainees have reported receiving substandard medical care and becoming ill from food served at the jail.

"A lot of children are losing weight. People suffer from severe headaches," Valdez said. "I think there's a lot of psychological issues going on. Most of these people are asylum seekers, so they've already suffered severe trauma in their country." She said immigrants are not given psychological treatment.

http://www.statesman.com/news/content/news/stories/local/12/15/15immigprison.html

[Eric J in MN]

1. They shouldn't imprison people just because

...they're suspected of coming here illegally.

They should live normal lives pending a hearing.

[aquart]

12. How much per head does this cost local, state, and federal gov't?

How is the money being appropriated? Under which budget? Where is it coming from? Someone is voting taxpayer dollars to maintain this facility. WHO?

[Straight Shooter]

35. Corrections Corporation of America ...

The current executives of CCA are as follows: CEO, President - John D. Ferguson, CFO, EVP - Irv Lingo, CCO (Chief Corrections Officer), EVP - Dr. Rick Seiter, General Counsel, EVP - Gus Puryear CIO and Vice President of Information Technology - John R. Pfeiffer Vice President of Health Services - John Tighe Vice President of Marketing - Louise Gilchrist Vice President of State Customer Relations - Tony Grande Vice President of Federal and Local Relations - Damon Hininger Vice President of Business Development - Lucibeth Mayberry Vice President of Finance - David Garfinkle Vice President, Treasurer - Todd Mullenger Vice President of Design & Construction - Linda Staley Vice President of Operations - Jimmy Turner

Current members of the board of directors of CCA are: Donna Alvarado, William F. Andrews, Lucius Burch, John Correnti, John D. Ferguson, John Horne, Michael Jacobi, THURGOOD MARSHALL, JR., Charles Overby, John Prann, Joseph Russel, and Herni Wedell.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corrections_Corporation_of_America

==========================

Marshall is currently a senior advisor to AllAmerica PAC, a political organization set up by Senator Evan Bayh, who is seeking the Democratic Presidential nomination. <4> He has been involved with the National Fish and Wildlife Foundation, Marshall Jr., promoting environmental science and other science education. He also volunteers at a local food bank in the Washington, D.C

Marshall earned a Juris Doctor at the University of Virginia School of Law in 1981 and a Bachelor of Arts from the University of Virginia in 1978.

Of his father's legacy, Marshall has said "One, he was part of a group of people . . . who all came together at the right time to steer the country on the right course with regard to equality, especially in education," and "I also like to think of his legacy as one of encouraging lawyers of every color to contribute their skills to society."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurgood_Marshall%2C_Jr.

Very disturbing, to say the least.

[uberllama42]

95. In 2001,

Ralph Nader wrote an article warning that CCA, along with Wakenhut, another private prison company, was abusing prisoners, allowing inmates to escape, and bilking taxpayers. The escaped inmates were in a Texas prison; they were left completely ungaurded according to state investigators. Among those abused by guards were juveniles in South Carolina. CCA also teargassed 700 prisoners in New Mexico who were taking part in a nonviolent protest of conditions. They are pretty much recklessly negligent in their search for ever-greater profits.

I would have thought that Halliburton would have been running the prisons. Does anybody remember KBR's secret prisons that were under construction last year? They claimed that those were for illegal immigrants, but many in the blogosphere feared that they were for dissidents labeled 'enemy combatants.'

[leveymg]

55. Here's a photo of the place - pretty grim

[valerief]

2. This is where the gummint will get their soldiers for the expanding war. nt

[Contrite]

5. Bingo. n/t

[rebel with a cause]

11. Promised citizenship

They are already doing it. Hey, Iraq is not another Vietnam! No? Well it sure feels/looks like it.

[shance]

18. Would such a "war" be an expanded war here in the US?

Against those who oppose this Administration and its policies?

[Zhade]

3. This is OUTRAGEOUS!

Is it racism making this invisible?

[rebel with a cause]

13. It is a controled media

If you don't have a computer, or live on one the way some of us do, you would not know about this.

[EFerrari]

44. Yes.

[nosmokes]

4. i am so sick of this anti-immigrant fever whipped up by dobbs and the GOP

to try and explain away why the middle and working class is in bad shape. ***news flash***. if you want the job pablo or jorge is doing all you hafta do is apply for it. as for illegal immigrant lowering pay, if we let unions operate like they should that wouldn't be an issue. but the very people who are yelling the loudest about the *illegals* are also the most virulent anti-union. the very ones that can hardly read and write proper english themselves but they want english to be the official language. shit, they can't even spell official. but they spell beaner or greaser or whatever the flavor of the day is RNC or rush talking point and then they don't hafta think, they don't hafta take responsibility, they just blame *them.*

[rebel with a cause]

15. I pointed out to a class room of teenagers one day

that Spanish was spoken on this continent long before English ever was, and they were shocked. I told them this after a comment about the Latino (my word not theirs) immigrants wanting to speak their own language and not English all the time. This might have been said to shock me, after all I was the sub and I do have a Spanish name, but it didn't. I was use to hearing comments like this and I had all my facts down. They might not have expected it but they got a history lesson that day, and some of them even wanted to learn some Spanish phrases after that. Thank heavens I didn't have to teach them, my Spanish is awful. :blush:

[Recursion]

51. I'm amazed at how few people know that

Spanish has been spoken in California for 500 years. San Diego was founded 400 years ago.

English has been spoken in California for almost 200 years. 400 years ago, the only English foothold on the continent was a few starving Anglicans in Virginia.

I believe in bilingual education, by which I mean I think everyone who graduates from high school in the USA should be conversational in both English and Spanish, and classes should be conducted in both languages. Because pretending Spanish isn't a vital language in the USA is just stupid.

[Wednesdays]

61. Gee, ya think?

That sarcastic header wasn't directed at you, but rather at the ignoramuses who have no clue about the true history of the area. Where do they think places like El Paso, San Francisco, San Antonio, Pueblo, Arizona, Colorado, Florida and Montana got their names from? Or "Old West" terms like bronco, rodeo, lasso, pinto, and bandana? Could it be the majority of the people were Spanish-speaking before the U.S. invaded?

Schoolkids get drummed into them about the first English settlement at Jamestown in 1607. Well, by that time the Spanish had already colonized both North and South America for 90 years, had colonized Florida for 40, and were establishing missions in New Mexico and California. By the time English-speaking people reached the West Coast, the Spanish were already competing with the Russians for control of what is now British Columbia.

[Truthy Nessy]

60. I disagree with you.

I am not anti immigrant. I am anti illegal. I became an immigrant to the country where I now live. In fact I was a refugee, from the USA. I entered into Canada in 1969 legally claiming refugee status. I did not sneak into Canada. My fiancee is now applying for immigrant status from the USA to Canada, legally.

Lou Dobbs is correct when he points out that the illegals are putting an enormous strain onto the American economy. I believe there should be two measures to fight illegals. One is secure the border. Two is to punish and fine the employers who hire these people at slave wages. I know for a fact that is what the south western states businesses do. In 1979 when my fiancee was laid off from the auto plant he worked in Ohio he was desperate for employment. He went to Arizona with his twin baby daughters. He was a single father. He could only get work from a small business who paid him way below the minimum wage and insisted he not take any breaks or lunch. After 3 weeks of this slave labor he quit and went back to Ohio. He tells me the owner was very mean and ruthless to his employees. The Mexicans were desperate and worked for him doing slave labor.

I come from a family of blue collar union men. I am pro-Union. So you are incorrect in labeling me among the creepy rotten Republicans who hire these unfortunate people. I can spell official very well. I am not a greaser, or a beaner. I am a true blue DU'r and I object to your statement. I blame you for encouraging illegals to come here. You are as guilty as the Mexican government who encourages them to come here, giving them maps and GPSS tools to enter your border illegally.

[Spazito]

65. Are you in favour of these concentration camps then?

Would you be in favour of them in Canada? I see nothing in your post addressing the topic contained in the OP so I can only surmise you support the camps.

[Truthy Nessy]

74. My thoughts are to not have any camps but

to ship these people back from where they came from. I don't believe in holding people for months. Coming over illegal is wrong. Period. Most people come over because they want a job. People in the USA need jobs. You didn't address what I told you about my white Ohio fiancee who was treated like a slave for less than min. wage. This employer should have been jailed but he wasn't even after a complaint. Nothing happened to him and he most likely continued to hire illegals. My boyfriend WAS willing to do the work for a fair and just min. wage with breaks and lunch time.

[rebel with a cause]

76. since you have not lived here

since the 1960s, let me remind you of something. Before they blamed the illegals for the loss of jobs and/or low rages, they blamed the legal immigrants. It didn't matter what part of the world you came from, you were to blame for taking those "American" jobs. I married a legal immigrant in the seventies, and have heard all kinds of accusations from people about what he personally was doing to the country. "Those foriegners" was the term used to put all immigrants into a pigeonhole where they could be unitly targeted. Well, he became just like them and he began talking as loud as they did about those dang foreigners, and he became one of "the good ones". It makes no difference in many peoples minds whether immigrants are legal or not, they will always be accused of taking jobs from real "Americans".

You should remember this sinse you lived in the US before the sixties. For many years following the civil war, African Americans were also accused of taking jobs from the real "Americans". Even in the north where many moved to excape from the poverty they might be suffering in the south. No matter how things change they always remain the same.

[Truthy Nessy]

86. My grandparents were immigrants from Europe

They worked hard labor jobs. They raised 10 kids. My grandfather worked every day of his working life, working to work 10 miles one way every day. He was never late nor missed a day for sickness. I can recall that we all were called DPs in my hometown. My father and his four brothers were in the military during WWII. All my life we were DPs yet my grandparents were here legally, paid taxes and worked hard. No handouts, if you didn't have the money you did without. My grandparents would never allow my father and his siblings to not work. Any work was good work. It was never acceptable to disobey the law of the land.

[shireen]

88. you're comparing apples and oranges

I admire how your grandparents made a life for themselves here. But they probably had no trouble getting the necessary paperwork.

Somewhere out there is a family very much like yours. Except they arrived here illegally because they could not do it legally.

[Truthy Nessy]

92. There are billions in the world who would come to

America illegally if they could. Once they see they can come illegally as the supporters of illegals want then what you will find is Americans, born and legalized will be without good paying jobs. They will fall by the wayside because the elite will hire the illegals and use them as slaves. This is where corruption and crime step in. I know because my previous career dealt with illegal immigrants and fraud.

[rebel with a cause]

96. And there are a lot of Americans who would move

to Canada if they could. America is already without good paying jobs and it has nothing to do with illegals. It has to do with who is in power and that is the corporations. If there were no illegals, there would still be outsourcing and minimum wage jobs. There would still be people used as slave labor, because if "real Americans" (meaning the desperate poor) would not do them, they would bring in workers legally. The destruction of the unions and the villainizing of them is part of the problem, but there is much more than that. To work in America now is to work without protection. You can be fired for almost anything, not just because you did something wrong. There is so much more wrong with the work force in the United States than illegal aliens, and making them the target is just wrong. In fact, in this case targeting them has been made into a profitable business.

[Spazito]

85. Hmmm, I can't help but wonder why you felt the need

to point out that your fiancee was white, what possible difference would that make to your point?

"white Ohio fiancee who was treated like a slave"

I find this phrase.....interesting, to say the least.

[Truthy Nessy]

89. My point was that in Arizona my white fiancee

was desperate for work to feed his babies. He took the same job as the illegals and found out what it was like to work like a slave. He was willing to work the job that "no other American would work at". My point that it is a big lie that is told that illegals do the jobs that other Americans wouldn't. Get it?

[Spazito]

98. Wow, so all "illegals" are ...non-whites... in your mind?

Again....interesting.

[Madspirit]

83. Texan

Well, I'm a Texan and they were here before we were so I'm not telling them to go anywhere. If anyone has the right to tell someone to leave.....
They are my friends. ...and I would cover for them.
Madspirit

[shireen]

87. i disagree with you

I am an immigrant as well. I came to the US on a J visa, then a H visa, then green card status, and eventually citizenship. My journey to citizenship was done legally because I had the means to do it, and I worked for an organization that supported me.

But I also feel deep sympathy for the so-called illegal immigrants. They are simply seeking a better life. It's such a fundamental basic human need.

If we were a civilized society, we'd find a way to deal with this more humanely, and with more understanding and compassion. But in a system dominated by greed, selfishness, racism, and ignorance, I fear for these so-called illegal immigrants. They deserve better. We all deserve better.

[rebel with a cause]

90. Welcome to the country!

Although I don't know how long you have been here. Welcome anyway. I grew up in an immigrant neighborhood although we were mongrels, mixed heritage. I have never understood the resentment that those that came before have for those who come after. We are suppose to be a country of immigrants and yet we seem to have forgotten that. Those that don't like it, I suppose, can do what the other poster did. Immigrate to another country. Legally of course. ;-)

[uberllama42]

97. Illegals are good for the economy.

They hurt wages, but when Americans say 'economy' they mean corporate profits. We judge the state of our economy by the stock market, which gauges corporate profit. Things like high unemployment, low wages, high prices, and high interest rates are understood to be good for the ecomony because they increase profits and thus boost the stock market. These things are bad for individuals, but that is not taken into consideration by Americans.

I really don't see how any of us here are aiding the illegals in any material sense. I simply don't hate them and object to their being detained without charge, not to mention their children who are American citizens. That is a violation of the Fourteenth Amendment; '... shall not be denied... liberty... without due process of law....' I have compassion for all people, even if they have committed real crimes, so why should illegal immigrants be any different? Plus, when the government tells you to hate somebody, you should really think very hard before you decide to hate them, because I can assure you that the government is always lying.

What's more, what are illegal immigrants doing that legal immigrants are not? The Know-Nothing Party hated legal immigrants for all the same reasons that today people hate illegal immigrants. How can one distinguish between the two?

[shireen]

84. EXCELLENT POST!!! Thanks, Nosmokes! nt

[Branjor]

6. There used to be one such place.....

a detention center for immigrants in Elizabeth, NJ, essentially a concentration camp.. I believe it's closed now. I have a book written by a young woman from Africa who was detained there for a long time. She was seeking asylum. It is called Do They Hear You When You Cry? by Fauziya Kassindja.

[annabanana]

7. It is DISGRACEFUL that this has NO COVERAGE. . . .

How this can be so totally ignored by our so-called media is beyond me. Keith O. ought to be apprised.

"Give us your poor, your huddled masses" my ass.

[shance]

20. It would seem like New Orleans, the War on Iraq, that it is more intentional blackout.

of what is happening while they flood the airwaves with Brittany, Paris, OJ and Donald's war on Rosie.

[aquart]

8. Who has the contract to feed these people?

Who has the contract to clothe them? Who has the contract to school the children?

Someone is making money off this and I want to know WHO.

[rebel with a cause]

23. Could be these people

http://www.forbes.com/free_forbes/2007/0108/096b.html
Forbes Magazine
Monday, January 8, 2007
The Best Of The Best

Business Services & Supplies

Corrections Corp. Of America

Crime pays. At least for John Ferguson, chief of $1.3 billion (sales) Corrections Corporation of America (nyse: CXW - news - people ), the nation's largest privatized prison operator. If there's one thing Ferguson can rely on, it's that criminals are never in short supply and there aren't enough bars to put them behind. Ferguson's 23-year-old firm, in Nashville, Tenn., is the oldest company of its kind. And it has cells to spare. "We have seen this percolating demand for many years that we didn't sense other people saw," he says. "This company has prepared itself." Earnings per share are up 130% over the last 12 months.

Ferguson insists on staying ahead of demand, even if that means the occasional empty cell block. A strong balance sheet and steady cash flow buttressed $120 million in 2006 spending to expand existing slammers and build new ones. One 1,600-occupant prison opened this year in Arizona; as many as 10,000 beds are planned for the next year and a half. " business development pipeline continues to amaze us," says Jefferies & Co. analyst Anton Hie. Bring on the bad guys: These big houses have plenty of room.

Found this on the Latina Lista website among the comments.

http://latinalista.blogspot.com/2006/12/privatized-immigrant-detention.html

[aquart]

42. It's a public contract. Doesn't it have to be public record?

[Morgana LaFey]

24. My guess would be KBR / Halliburton nt

[YankeyMCC]

9. Gee that's odd

Not a word in MSM :sarcasm:

[emlev]

10. Grassroots Leadership does very good work on this issue and deserves our support

They're mentioned in the article. They've had good success fighting private prisons and I'm very glad to see they're "on the case" with this situation.

More info: Grassroots Leadership website.

[shance]

22. Yes they do. And "they" are all of us.

We are all part of the solution if we participate.

And we encourage others to participate as well.

[Cleita]

14. I said this a year ago, when the whole immigration brouhaha

was coming to head and many DUers, who are now on my ignore list, said I was full of shit. I compared it to Nazi Germany's demonizing of the Jews and I was told, how dare I compare it to SHOA.

So to you who said so, Nyanyanyaya! I TOLD YOU SO. This whole immigration issue is so bound up in appealing to the racism of Americans, just as Hitler appealed to the anti-semitism of the Jews with almost the same rhetoric, taking jobs from Germans and everything else Germans thought they were entitled to.

At first the concentration camps were just work camps and escalated into extermination camps. THIS COULD HAPPEN HERE, if saner heads don't prevail and launch investigations into this.

[rebel with a cause]

19. I wasn't here a year ago

but if I had been, I would have been right there with you. I have been predicting who they would target next for the last six years. At one point I was told to 'love it, or leave it" when I predicted the Iraqi war. Sometimes you just have to tell some people, "bless your heart" and move on. Or as you did, put them on your ignore list. :thumbsup:

[Cleita]

38. Before the immigration issue I was able to battle through the

flame wars without needing the ignore function, but with this issue that seemed to bring out the worst in normally liberal people, I had to.

[walldude]

16. I'm sending this to Olberman, Franken, Randi, and Malloy

This needs to be stopped. You know, no matter what the government says, no matter what pictures they release they will never, ever, get me to live in fear of children.

[shance]

28. Thanks WD.

I hope everyone will send this out to friends and family far and wide.

These are all loved ones, families and friends of someone, and at this point because of Military Commissions, I don't know if they have any rights by this Administrations standards.

And as history has shown, institutions like this will begin with one scapegoated group (right now being the Hispanic "illegal immigrant") and if allowed, will continue to further discriminate and widen their net of who becomes incarcerated.

[Wednesdays]

64. When the Nazis came for...

the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

--Martin Niemöller

[rhett o rick]

102. When the Neocon Nazi's came for the immigrants, I remained silent. nm

[cui bono]

40. What about the Children of the Corn? ;) nt

[CrazyOrangeCat]

17. fucking nazis

:mad:

[Tuesday_Morning]

21. Operator of Family Immigrant Detention Center

Named Among the 400 Best Businesses in America by Forbes

via Latina Lista

http://latinalista.blogspot.com/2006/12/operator-of-family-immigrant-detention.html

[rebel with a cause]

25. Sorry

You posted this while I was off finding the site. Hence my # 23 post.

[Tuesday_Morning]

30. GMTA, Rebel

Mi cause es su cause

[rebel with a cause]

32. I'm so jealous

I don't even attempt the Spanish anymore, and I do so love it. Oh, I do give my dog commands in it sometimes. She doesn't know enough to correct me. :7

[Tuesday_Morning]

26. Immigrant detention has become big business

from New American Medias:

http://news.newamericamedia.org/news/view_article.html?article_id=628f948c767d51b91f4157dda2a64da9

<snip>

An alarming number of immigrants are being jailed while they're going through court proceedings to determine whether they can remain in this country legally. Under the current law, some people must be detained throughout the process because of prior criminal convictions. However, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has been locking up immigrants in big numbers, including thousands who aren't required to be detained.

Thanks to the DHS' Operation Reservation Guaranteed, the number of immigrants in detention has risen from 18,000 when the operation was launched in July 2006, to 25,000 by the end of September. President Bush's budget for 2007 includes funds to increase detention bed space by 25 percent.

Facilities are going up faster than one can imagine. Last June a 2,000-bed detention center was approved for Raymondville, Texas, 45 miles from my office. I thought it would take a couple years to build, but I was wrong. By August 3, 2006, the facility was up and running. It¹s now at or very near its 2,000-bed capacity.

Texas seems to be the ideal place for detention centers. In 2005 a new facility opened in Pearsall, with space for 1,200. The center in Los Fresnos was recently expanded from 800 to 1,200 beds. Hutto, Texas is home to a new family detention center where DHS can hold people who have been apprehended with their children. If you¹ve never heard of these places, there¹s a reason.

<snip>

more at link

[shance]

29. They call it "immigrant detention" now, so that it doesnt alarm us, the American citzen.

when they try and incarcerate people they claim to be "terrorists".

[rebel with a cause]

34. Or how about forced fat camps

for all us 'obese' people. They can claim it is to make us more healthy and it will cut down on your health charges. B-)

[nebenaube]

46. why do you think there is a war on pot?

That too is corporate welfare for the CCA and their counterparts.

[Morgana LaFey]

27. I just want to k&r

can't think of anything to adequately describe my outrage and breaking heart

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

31. Good ol' American Family Values.

Not like it hasn't happened before. Japanese-Americans being interned.

[onecent]

33. Something really strange just happened. I was sent a couple of

emails back in 2001. One of them I could access about an hour ago, now, it says it is unavailable.

Does anyone know anything about these 2 sites that I can no longer access?

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/8420/camps.html

OR

http://www.thewinds.org/archive/government/camp9-97.html

The first one www.geocities.com/(ETC) I was into a short while ago. Why can't I get into it now. Can they shut off sites for us to see?

(Stupid question) I suspect.

The first one was pinpoints of the camps from the old days for the japanese. But there were PLENTY of them.

The other one if I remember from 2001, was pictures of some camps (don't quote me, but I believe they were in the Indiana,Kentucky,Tenn Oh?? area.) And if this is the one I am thinking of it had plenty of camps RIGHT NOW READY.

[rebel with a cause]

36. Tried them both

first one says data transfer limit has been exceeded, try back later. Second one is gone.

[Karenina]

37. This has been in the works

for quite some time. Howsabout a bit from someone who called it 5 years ago:

The Gatekeeper: Watch on the INS
by Alisa Solomon
Detainees Equal Dollars
The Rise in Immigrant Incarcerations drives a prison boom
August 14 - 20, 2002

t was a shaky spring for the correctional workers of Hastings, Nebraska (pop. 24,064), as the stagnation in the nation's prison population and the increasingly high costs of incarceration jostled the sleepy town, some two hours' drive from Lincoln. On April 9, the 84 employees of the Hastings Correctional Center were told that the 186-bed facility would be closing at the end of June. State funds were scraping bottom, and the $2.5 million annual price tag for the prison was too big a burden to carry. "We really didn't know what we would do," says Jim Morgan, who had been working at HCC for 15 years and lives to this day in the house where he was born. "There aren't a lot of job opportunities out here, and most of us have homes and kids and couldn't even think about moving somewhere else." For two months, the workers scrambled, filling out applications at nearby meatpacking and cardboard-container plants and anticipating long hours in the unemployment office.

Then salvation came from, of all places, the Immigration and Naturalization Service. Days after HCC closed as a state prison in June, it reopened as an INS detention center.

"It's a win-win," says Morgan. The INS is desperate for more beds for its ever expanding detainee population. And the state of Nebraska, collecting $65 per detainee per day from the INS, rakes in more than $1 million a year over and above the cost of running the place.

County jailers have long known that housing INS detainees pumps easy income into the coffers. Nearly 900 facilities around the country provide beds for the INS, and in interviews over the years, several county sheriffs and wardens have described such detainees as a "cash crop."

Passaic County Jail in New Jersey learned the lucrative lesson after 9-11, as INS transfers boosted its detainee population from 40 to 386 by December 18. The INS paid $77 per day per detainee, compared to New Jersey reimbursements of $62 for state prisoners; some $3 million in INS payments poured into Passaic last year.

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0233/solomon.php

[Cleita]

39. Great and informative post Karenina, especially for those

who are starting to wake up.

[cui bono]

41. Yep. Prison has become a booming business.

:scared:

[rebel with a cause]

43. Privitasation.........

for years it has been pushed as good for "developing" countries. Now it is being pushed for us. :grr:

[shance]

49. Saw a t-shirt a couple of days ago......

whew! it was a wake up.

It said "it's happening over there, so we figure out how to do it over here."

[mikehiggins]

45. This will only become news when some kids are abused

A little rape, a little sodomy, and these camps will be on the front pages of every paper and the screens of every tv station in the US.

Horrifically, it is ONLY a matter of time.

[eShirl]

47. I'd say false imprisonment qualifies as abuse.

Where are the child welfare authorities

[shance]

48. Couldn't have put it better myself. Thanks for the post.

n/t

[rebel with a cause]

79. child welfare people

are probably somewhere with their hands tied up with pretty red tape. Miles and miles of it.

[Jcrowley]

50. 4th Reich

Just a bit more user friendly

Complexion variations considered as per usual

Fear is both the justification that drives the disciplinary apparatus of the nation-state and the intended effects on the body politic.

But, as Simone Weil suggested, "Today it is not nearly enough merely to be a saint; but we must have the saintliness demanded by the present moment."

[NV1962]

52. K&R (n/t)

[951-Riverside]

53. Break the law go to jail

Unfortunately CITIZENS don't have the luxury of being held with their children while they're serving time.

[shance]

54. I guessed you missed the part Riverside where they broke no law.

A tiny technicality however significant to illegal incarceration.

[AZBlue]

67. Some of them have.

If they are illegal immigrants, then they've broken the law. But if they are legal immigrants or citizens, then they shouldn't be there.

[annabanana]

58. "the luxury of being held with their children?"

A luxury for the children, too, no doubt.

[NNN0LHI]

62. Hope none of your kids go to jail for shit you did n/t

[rhett o rick]

103. Are they suspects or guilty? Have they been tried? Do they have any

recourse? Are they being tortured? Is anyone performing any humanitarian oversite.

[rhett o rick]

104. Not in my America. If you are suspected of breaking the law you get

a fair trial. I bet you love "throwtheirassinjail" Nancy Grace. She believes that everyone arrested is guilty. How simple, how ignorant.

Please feel free to block me.

[rhett o rick]

105. No one in prison wants their children imprisoned with them. Children

in prison is tyranny. Is there no humanity in this republican administration? (rhetorical question)

[mmonk]

56. In honor of America's detention centers,

I propose writing your congresscritter and request that the Statue of Liberty be demolished. It can save the taxpayers money since liberty and immigration no longer apply here. Add shutting down Ellis Island if you like.

[uberllama42]

57. I'm disgusted with this country

and all the pious fucking lies they've told me in school about freedom and democracy. Not only is the President determined to wave his middle finger in the voting public's face and waste more American lives for no reason whatsoever in Iraq, now we hear about this abuse of natural born Americans. How many times can the MSM and the public pretend this shit isn't happening?

I don't care about my crappy $5.50-an-hour job or the interest rates on my Stafford loans. I want to see the erosion of our "democracy" reversed.

I've heard all the arguments against impeachment, and there are some very good ones, but this is just unacceptable. The Democrats need to stop it now.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

59. "illegal immigrants", "child pornographers", "terrorists" are all labels that will be applied

liberally, in rounding up and detaining American citizens.

This government has made it a matter of course to conduct massive arrests and detentions, under the guise of these labels and others.

After all, these are all BAD people, right? Who in their right mind would defend them or question whether or not the label was even accurate?

:sigh:

MKJ

[volstork]

63. can somebody get this to Olbermann? n/t

[noonwitch]

66. Illegal immigration is a problem, this probably isn't the solution

If the INS needs to hold people for immigration violations (and not other criminal behavior), they should at least treat them well while they are in custody. Incarcerating them is not really a good long-term solution to the problem.

Maybe a possible solution to the human rights aspects of this is to have the two centers monitored by the Red Cross (or some other non-governmental entity like it), to make sure that the detained are getting a proper diet and that their basic human rights aren't being violated.

I do have serious issues with for-profit prisons.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

68. The solution to the human rights issue, to me, would start with not throwing them into a "detention

center". Allow them due process through the INS channels, all while maintaining their homes, jobs and families. Deportation after the due process is complete, if that's indicated. They're poor Mexicans, though, so they are convenient scapegoats to distract from the way we are being robbed by the corporate robber barons.

And, how about European and Asian "illegals"? I'd wager that every single one of the occupants of the prison are Latino.

This is disgusting at all levels. MKJ

[noonwitch]

77. It's easier for latinos to enter the country illegally than it is for asians and euros

Europeans and Asians have to come by plane or boat, which makes it more difficult for them to come here illegally (not impossible). So, there are obviously more people of latino backround coming here illegally, since we share a border with a latino country.

I think that the right uses immigration as a wedge issue, but that doesn't mean it still isn't an issue to be taken seriously. If the kids involved are american citizens, they shouldn't be there, they should be in either foster care or with relatives who are citizens while their parents wait out the application process.

My grandpa and his family were detained at Ellis Island while they applied for citizenship. They were treated well there, too, he tells me they had some english classes and other types of assistance in adjusting to american culture. In addition, they were checked out for communicable diseases.

[rebel with a cause]

80. I lived in NYC and you might be surprised at how

many illegals come in from other places. Watch one of the police dramas on tv and you will see depicted truck loads of Asians being brought in either for cheap labor or girls being brought in for prostitution rings. This may be only a tv show, but this actually happens. When I lived in NYC, which I admit was many years ago, there were articles written all the time about the illegals being brought into Chinatown.

You might also be surprised on how many illegals arrived on planes. All it takes is a visa, student or some other type, and then you just don't return. Sometimes a supposed vacation becomes an immigration. These people don't get as much attention because there is a class difference. If you have money then you don't represent the problem that those "bad" poor illegals do.

[rebel with a cause]

78. I agree

The "illegals" from Mexico have become the new Haitian. The last I heard, there were still Haitians being held in camps. Their skin is even darker so they got even less notice. :grr:

[jpwhite]

69. if this is true....

this is totally disgusting.

James
[e-mail]

[Mrspeeker]

70. OH btw who got the contracts to build the new detention centers?

Its not hard to find and well no hints its to easy!
Our country has more that 1% of its population in jail, more than any other country in the world. What is the goal here and why is a so called democratic republic jailing people and building huge detention centers and prisons, along with martial law type laws, the patriot act, homeland security ect.

Well it wont take a genius to figure out the game plan here.

[DaveJ]

71. Just Fact

The Bush family has historic ties to The Third Reich; it's not a conspiracy, just a fact. If you want to understand someone take a look at their family.

As far as this country being a free democracy goes, unfortunately some Republicans think 'freedom' means freedom of the powerful to control the masses. I know that's just plain dumb, but it's truly what they believe.

[Mrspeeker]

101. yeap

Prescott bush, one of my favorites lol, was in deep with the nazi's, Its also amazing how American corporations played a huge part in WWII they built a large part of Hitlers army and profited both ways and came away scott free.

[shance]

72. Free labor. And the taxpayers pay the contractors.

What a deal.

[rebel with a cause]

81. And all these new prisons mean

jobs for the "real Americans". In this time of job scarcity, not many people are going to complain.

Keep those prisoners coming! :banghead:

[Jcrowley]

73. kick

[keepCAblue]

75. Children of Men

I just saw "Children of Men" Saturday night and I'm still haunted by the prison buses with barred windows--"HOMELAND SECURITY" emblazoned on the buses' sides--hauling desperate Fugees (short for "refugees") away to concentration camps.

"For-profit prison"? CCA boasts a revenue of $1.15 BILLION per year. And yet they are paid a measley $1 per day per inmate? In order to make a profit, they've got to be spending LESS THAN $1.00 a day per inmate. LESS THAN $1.00! It costs me more than than $1 a day just to feed my cat--so how can CCA be meeting the nutritional, hygenic, physical and psychological needs of human beings on LESS THAN $1.00 per day? Impossible.

Here's another link about the immigration raids and CCA's concentration camps:

http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/12/21/take-action-immigrants-imprisoned-in-american-concentration-camps-on-christmas/

Here's a great site with lots of info about CCA and FAQs on private prisons:

http://www.notwithourmoney.org/

[rebel with a cause]

82. My son saw this movie

and came home excited over it. Says it should win an Oscar, but probably won't. Was really angry about that, since he thought it was one of the (if not the) best directing he had ever seen. (He has worked in entertainment news) He also talked about the way the scenes were shot to show the progression of events. He said there were warnings all through the movie and he didn't know how anyone could come out from seeing it and not be afraid. Glad you enjoyed it also, can't wait for it to come to video. Pretty much homebound you see.

[atommom]

91. Chilling. This should be getting more attention from the media. nt

[Joanne98]

93. I posted on this about a week ago!

I want the non-violent drug offenders released TOO!

[rebel with a cause]

94. Yes,

And there are several others who should be in mental hospitals and not prisons.

[mdmc]

99. kick

for the sanity

[shance]

100. I want them all released. Enough of the profiting free labor prison camps

Where we pay to for our fellow citizens to be imprisoned while the Cheney, Rockefeller and Bush families and others,continue to steal our money and become richer and richer as our society and planet continues to die.

[rhett o rick]

106. Why aren't Christian organizations speaking out. The children imprisoned

are most likely Christians.

[DixieBlue]

107. I'm totally speechless ...

what hasn't someone picked this up?

How can this be happening and no one be paying attention? As these stories come out I just, well, find myself losing faith in people. It sickens me.