Dammit! It's not a surge!

[tavalon]

:rant: :rant: :rant:

It's an escalation, it's increased mayhem and murder, it's the McCain Doctrine but it's not a fucking surge! They want us to call it a surge because it conjures masculine virility instead of murder. Stop letting them frame the debate!!!!

I don't care how long or hard or deep this is, it's not a sexual conquest, it is a continuing slaughterhouse for Americans and Iraqi alike.

Would you people think before you adopt their words, their framing of this continuing quagmiric atrocity? Please?!?:rant:

[pnwmom]

1. Very good point, tavalon.

Call it something boring. Or even offensive.

How about calling it an "offensive build-up"?

[tavalon]

2. Given that it is highly offensive, you may have the right framing there!

[King Coal]

21. Escalation is for babies, surge is for men.

Surge sounds worse than escalation. :hi:

[tavalon]

23. Are you trying to make my point

or argue against it?

[King Coal]

25. I'm just sayin' it's silly.

[tavalon]

26. Do you have any background

in framing the debate? Do you even know what I'm talking about when I use that phrase?

[King Coal]

27. Sure. You're sayin' Bush is a lunger. LOL!

[tavalon]

28. What is a lunger?

And would you answer the second question please.

[King Coal]

30. A lunger is one who takes a lunge at a target. LOL!

That was the answer to the second question. :rofl:

[tavalon]

31. No, that's not at all what I'm saying

[King Coal]

36. Sure it is, dammit! Come on people, say "lunge", not "escalation"!

As in:

"Bush will give a speech on taking another lunge at Iraq later this week."

[Dammit Ann]

3. YES!

I am so tired of the "left" allowing further CRIMES to be committed in AMERICA'S name. I love ALL of my democratic brothers and sisters BUT the time has come to STAND UP. Are we going to allow this to become a footnote in history? Like so many other things we read about and research and say, DAMN, WHAT WERE THEY THINKING? WHY DIDN'T "SOMEONE" DO SOMETHING? We are at a crossroad, I believe, not only in the poltical landscape of our country, but of the spiritual landscape of our humanity. NO REFERENCE TO CHRISTIANITY, i'm talking about conscience, not fear. WE ARE BETTER THAN THIS. And if that is what it means to be a "patriotic" American, I QUIT!

[tavalon]

4. Actually,

you are being a patriotic American right here and right now by refusing to go along with this travesty. You are standing with a group of people who will not and have not gone along with this asinine program from the beginning.

[Dammit Ann]

7. truth.

I knew this was bullshit from day one and i will NEVER forgive weak-kneed democrats who went along. PERIOD.

O.K., Edwards, but i just have a crush on him. And, he is capable of change and understanding.
What an odd concept in a President...

[magellan]

5. It's a spurt

Both in terms of size and how well it'll be received. A spurt.

That ought to make the machismo crowd think twice.

[tavalon]

6. Actually, a dribble

a bit of precum, really. Bush can't even get it long and hard and he wouldn't know what to do with it if he did. :eyes:

[magellan]

11. lmao

The sad truth is that even a dribble of soldiers is that many more being put in harm's way by Bush** for the sake of his own super-inflated ego.

America is yelling NO but the rape continues.

[KharmaTrain]

8. Welcome To April, 1970...Sorta

Another Nam paralel here. In '69, Nixon's "surefire" way to "win" in Vietnam was to turn the fighting over to the South Vietnamese Army...ARVN had 1,000,000 men actually in uniform. That's a hell of a lot more than we have of "Iraqi allies" right now. With all those men and money, the NVA and VC were still able to launch attacks. Nixon (along with Hank The Skank Kissinger) decided to puff up their balls and up the ante...invading Cambodia and Laos in an effort to "clear out the pockets". Of course this was a futile exercize as we now know thanks to a well-developed North Vietnamese supply network and their determination to drive the foreign invader from their land. How little was learned.

Increasing troops is a claptrap as the more we stomp on the Iraqis the greater the desire by these people will be to drive us out, not support a puppet regime. If this country were invaded, would any of us...right or left...stand down until the invader was completely gone? Would we support a "government" that was imposed on us, can't make the trains run on time and is shown to be totally corrupt?

If we really wanted to "do this right", we'd use the "Powell Doctrine" of overwhelming force. When we were going to invade the Japanese home islands, we didn't plan it with 150,000 troops, we had 1,000,000. When Johnson thought he could overwhelm the North Vietnamese, he poured in 500,000...and that wasn't enough. Even Poppy Bush knew he needed 500,000 just to repell an army not to try to occupy or quiet an insurgency.

These asshats think they're so smart...they can ignore history and win rhetorically what they can't realistically. They might fool 20% of the American sheeple, but the spin isn't spinning and the results will soon show futile. No one is being fooled here, unless they choose to be.

[tavalon]

12. Yeah,

It's pretty amazing how the parallels to Vietnam just keep getting more and more obvious.

[Hubert Flottz]

9. It's Operation Shit Creek...with a paddle that's stretched to the limit

Bush and Karl claimed that McCain went over to the enemy in Nam...so McCain just might not be for real hero after all.(would Bush lie?) McCain was Against The VC, then he was for them and then he was against them...that was Karl's story in South Carolina back in 2000.

Maybe McCain needed one of these on his brain, because The Bush crowd claimed that McCain went nuts in Vietnam?



The GOP didn't want to talk much about Bush and Vietnam though.


"What Bush did to McCain in the 2000 S. C. primary"

FACT SHEET:

snip

Bush Campaign Accused of Using Push Polls Against McCain.
College of Charleston student Suzette Latsko said she received a telephone call from a woman who identified herself as an employee of Voter/Consumer Research, and that the caller misrepresented McCain’s positions and asked if Latsko knew McCain had been reprimanded for interfering with federal regulators in the savings and loan scandal. Voter/Consumer Research is listed as a polling contractor on Bush’s Federal Election Commission filings; the Bush campaign has paid Voter/Consumer Research $93,000 through December 31, 1999. Bush spokesman Ari Fleischer denied the call was a push poll, but said it was important that the Republican Party remember McCain’s role in the S&L crisis.

Bush Campaign Acknowledged Making Phone Calls.
Tucker Eskew, Bush’s South Carolina spokesman, acknowledged the Bush campaign made such calls, but claimed they were not “push polls.” Eskew added, “Show me a baseless comment in those questions.”

Bush Used Fringe Veterans Group to Attack McCain as “Manchurian Candidate.”
“In the case of Ted Sampley, the same guy who did Bush's dirty work in going after Sen. John McCain in the 2000 Republican primaries is doing the job against Kerry this year. Sampley dared compare McCain, who spent five years as a Vietnam POW, with ‘the Manchurian Candidate.’”

Sampley Called McCain a “Coward” and a Traitor.
“Sampley… accused McCain of being a weak-minded coward who had escaped death by collaborating with the enemy. Sampley claimed that McCain had first been compromised by the Vietnamese, then recruited by the Soviets.” MORE...

http://www.bartcopnation.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=522

McCain did go over to the enemy in 2004...so maybe Bush and Karl were right about him.

[tavalon]

19. Nice people, aren't they? n/t

[H2O Man]

10. George W = premature escalation n/t

[NewJeffCT]

13. well then, please write letters to your local newspapers

And ask them to use the actual term of "escalation" instead of the White House mandated "surge"

This is the perfect situation for it.

[tavalon]

14. A very valid point

However, my rant was specifically aimed at DUers who are facilitating the moving of this Orwellian term into the mainstream vernacular. Have you noticed how the term surge is being used here with great frequency? We are lining up to frame the debate for them. I don't think anyone here should be a foot soldier for Rovian double entendres.

[NewJeffCT]

15. I've seen it used more sarcastically

than anything here. Unfortunately, anybody using it seriously is too many. Even the media is at least starting to use "surge" (the quotes are in the media) instead of just surge with no quotes.

I've often gotten upset how we use the term "contractors" or "private contractors" for the people in Iraq. A contractor gives a person the image of the guy who remodels your kitchen or puts a new roof on your house. The real term, however, has a much more negative connotation - and that is "mercenary."

[tavalon]

17. I'm pleased when I see it being played with sarcastically

But what pushed me over was seeing no less than a half dozen legitimate discussions where the term "surge" was used with no sarcasm and an implicit, "this is what it's called". It pushed me over the edge into rantland.

[The Stranger]

16. Who is Serge again?

[tavalon]

18. Some guy with a machismo complex

Who wants the rest of us to enjoy his money shot.

[WinkyDink]

20. ITA. It's more Rove-speak. It is nothing more or less than an ESCALATION.

[tavalon]

22. I know it's Rove-speak

I hate it when DU does Rove's footsoldiering. Every single time we use "Surge" instead of "Escalation" we help Rove and his merry mad men.

[rpgamerd00d]

24. THIS IS A SURGE!

[ieoeja]

29. I always copy text and replace all surge with escalation.

Makes it easier to read. Except that I find inescalationnts confusing.

[Critters2]

32. I call it an excalation in every conversation I have about it.

And someone inevitably "corrects" me.

[tavalon]

33. See, that's how entrenched their framing is getting

and the frustrating thing is I'm seeing people here on DU using their framing. And not sarcastically.

[tblue37]

34. Tie it to McCain and Lieberman.

Tie it tight. The McCain/Lieberman/Bush Doctrine. Hook those insane idiots together for all of history.

[tavalon]

35. I completely agree

Tie those rotting birds together.