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leftyladyfrommo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-08-07 09:06 AM
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It Looks like Bush's Surge Might Just Get Stopped - by Congress
Edited on Mon Jan-08-07 09:22 AM by leftyladyfrommo
with the help of everyone else who thinks it just plain won't work.

Anybody else read David Broder this morning? Made me hopeful that these people might just be able to stop Bush in his tracks. Looks like they sure are going to try.

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/opinion/1640655.htm
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-08-07 09:09 AM
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1. got a link?
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leftyladyfrommo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-08-07 09:21 AM
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3. Try this.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-08-07 09:09 AM
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2. "This will totally mess up my strategery." - Commander AWOL
Edited on Mon Jan-08-07 09:10 AM by SpiralHawk
"Which is to MAXIMIZE PROFITS for my republicon oil & munitions cronies. Oh shit."

- Commander AWOL


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atommom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-08-07 09:24 AM
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4. a snip
The new Congress that opened last week is not the same passive body that approved his decision to go to war and allowed him a free hand in managing or mismanaging the aftermath.

When the White House speculates about increasing U.S. troops in Iraq for an indefinite period, it goes against the expressed policy wishes of the new Democratic majority and its most influential members.

The incoming chairmen of both the Armed Services and the Foreign Relations committees, Sens. Carl Levin and Joe Biden, have counseled strongly against such a course, and most of the Democrats in both the House and Senate favor a gradual drawdown of American forces.

The president can order more troops into the war zone, but such a step would provoke the most angry domestic debate of his term.




The question is, of course, does he have the sense to care whether he gets an angry domestic debate, as long as he gets his way? He seems to take pride in making bad decisions and then thumbing his nose at those who criticize them.
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-08-07 09:40 AM
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5. That was my feeling when I read this.
This article is essentially saying that it wouldn't be wise for Bush to go against public and legislative sentiment. Unfortunately, wisdom is not something I've seen much evidence of.
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-08-07 10:10 AM
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6. "He has to face that reality." Unfortunately, "facing reality" is the
one, single thing that this blowjob simply cannot do. Face reality? If Dickstick could do that, we might not be in as big of a mess as we are in. No, we are living through a horrible, horrible nightmare and Bush's name is 'Freddy'....
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-08-07 10:20 AM
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7. He Still Has Money To Play With...
A military mucky-muck explained this last week. Booosh has several months of unregulated spending he can do thanks to the supplimentals passed by the previous Congress. He also has kept the invasion as a separate budget issue that forces a tough vote every time a new supplemental comes up...vote against it and come off looking like your either not supporting the troops or weak on "terror". The House & Senate just hand over a boatload of money to the Executive and have no say on where that money is spent, how its spent or who its spent on. Oversight hearing will shed some light on what's going on here, but it's gonna take a long, long time until we see all the corruption this system has created.

Democrats need to attach any and all future spending onto the existing budget process that then would require Congressional votes for future escalations or increases in spending. It would also put a lot more direct oversight onto the individual spending of the military so that money used to assist veterans or support troops aren't the same as the ones that go to the outsourcers and large contractors.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-08-07 10:33 AM
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8. Get prepared for the Constitutional crisis that is coming, because I think
Edited on Mon Jan-08-07 10:34 AM by Peace Patriot
it's going to happen sooner rather than later. There is a great article at Truthout.org on our broad organizational needs in facing this crisis--how to support Congress in restoring the Constitutional "balance of powers." But it is premised on a subpoena confrontation, down the line, as Congressional investigations of Bush Junta crimes get going. I think the crisis is going to come much sooner, over funding for the escalation of the war. Pelosi and Reid are going to bifurcate funding--providing financial support for existing troop levels, but denying funding for escalation. And that could trigger the crisis, like, this week? Soon, anyway.

Here's the article:
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/010707C.shtml

Here's their action plan (premised on a confrontation over subpoenas):

"Constitutionalists and progressives need to start planning proactively to prepare the public to respond appropriately and effectively to this impending confrontation.

    "First, that requires an ongoing interpretation to people of what is happening and what it means.

    "Second, it involves defining venues for action in which large numbers of people can participate. Representative John Conyers's mobilization of popular support for demanding information about the Downing Street memos represents on a small scale what will need to be done on a larger scale.

    "Third, it requires creating some kind of infrastructure or rapid-response network with the capacity to support such a mobilization.

    "Fourth, it calls for a broad coalition that reaches far beyond progressives to include conservatives committed to the rule of law and a broad public concerned about the abuse of presidential power and the preservation of democracy. Such a coalition already exists in nascent form, for example in the Constitution Project, which has brought together such improbable allies as Al Gore and Bob Barr to articulate concern about the Bush administration's abuse of presidential power.

    "The power and willingness of Congress to affect Bush's Iraq policies depends on using the vulnerability of the administration and its Republican supporters to severe loss of effective power, criminal investigation, and/or impeachment. That vulnerability is likely to be greatest, in turn, where the administration can be shown to engage in Nixonian abuse of government power to suppress information in its own interest.

    "A defeat of the Bush administration on the right of Congress and the public to know what the government is doing can be the starting point of a broader effort to establish institutional and cultural vehicles for controlling executive power - in short, for a transition to democracy."

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Obviously, we don't need (or likely won't need) that much "interpretation" of the legislative battle over bifurcated funding. But items 2, 3 and 4, are certainly relevant--and they are where DUers can plug in, with action alerts, calling/letter campaigns, alerts on speeches and legislative moves, and working with various groups, etc. I'm not saying we won't need "interpretation." We might. It would be good to have a legislative expert posting at DU, just in case it gets complicated. Speed of understanding could be important, in guiding letter writers, for instance.

Get ready! I think it's coming. One thing I know we all need is an updated list/contact info for the new Congress. (I don't have one.) And a new media contact list. Anybody who has either of these, would you please post them at DU? Also, a list of groups working on the Constitutional crisis would be good (reffed in #4, above).

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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-08-07 10:59 AM
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9. This is going to sound a little crazy
but I almost think we should let him have his little surge and try to ride it out until he's gone. I was thinking about what kind of hissyfit the boy king will throw if congress takes his new toy soldiers away and what I keep coming up with is Iran. The only way for him to keep the endless war going for the military industrial complex is to start WWIII. He may do it either way. I think there are very dark days ahead regardless.
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