To those who advocate the death of my husband

[Solly Mack]

Support Bush?

You want my husband to die for lies.

Support the invasion /occupation of Iraq?

You want my husband to die for lies.

Support a "surge"?

You want my husband to die for lies.

You support someone's wife, husband, mother, father, daughter or son dying to maintain the lies.

No one in the military volunteered to die for lies. No one.

Some, sadly, believed the lies - but even they volunteered for what they thought was the truth.

Death shouldn't be the price you pay for believing your government.

More especially when that government never seems to pay for telling the lies to begin with...





America LOST. Got it? Get it through your lying corrupt heads. America LOST.

Failed.

America LOST in Iraq the very second someone thought it was a good idea to invade Iraq.

America LOST the very second someone thought violating international law was a good idea.

America LOST.

Period.

America will continue to lose as long as America's government continues to look for a way to spin failure into an "honorable way out" (to quote Lindsey Graham)

[BuyingThyme]

1. kcik

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

2. K & R n/t

[malta blue]

3. K&R...nt

[dogday]

4. Just replace the word Husband with Son and

there I am...... Recommended.....:yourock:

[Solly Mack]

8. (((((dogday)))))

:yourock:

and all of us that are rocking in the same boat

[Turbineguy]

19. Same here

[Solly Mack]

22. ((((Turbineguy))))

Warm vibes to you and yours. Safe returns!!

[TacticalPeek]

27. And here.

Fuck Bush and his delusions!

:kick:

[Solly Mack]

29. (((((TacticalPeek)))))

Agree!! Fuck Bush!!! and his delusions...

[dogday]

32. We are all in the same boat

best wishes:yourock:

[Sweet Freedom]

37. Add brother and sister-in-law here. /nt

[dogday]

38. You are not alone

We should have some type of support forum for Members to meet and chat about how we are feeling... There were days, I did not think I would make it when my Son was in Iraq and I am so afraid he willed be called up soon..... :hi: :yourock:

[Sweet Freedom]

51. My brother just got back from his second tour

The first one was bad, but the second was awful.

Long story short, he came home with a new tattoo...the names of the 7 men in his platoon who lost their lives.

His wife is still there. Fortunately, she's CID and "safe" behind a desk.

Sending you positive thoughts that your son stays where he is and remains there!

BTW: There is a DU military group. Let me look it up and I'll add on edit.
Here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=259

[dogday]

62. Best wishes to you and yours

Thanks for the link :hug:

[Solly Mack]

39. ((((dist22dem))) and to our in-laws serving

and nieces and nephews, cousins and grandchildren

[calimary]

113. They are ALL OF OUR children, grandchildren, in-laws, nieces and nephews,

husbands and wives, brothers and sisters, moms and dads, aunts and uncles, and cousins. ALL of ours. So while I do not have any loved ones in Iraq, I still feel a bit of the agony. The first time I felt it was during one of the rare TV reports I saw (maybe it was on Headline News), relatively early in the war, of the funeral of a young man whose name, I think, was Branden Oberleitner. What you saw in the piece was a view of his mother. She was sitting at graveside during the burial service. She had just been given the folded flag that had covered his coffin, before it was to be lowered into the ground (with her precious baby in it). As she took possession of it (and shit, I'm getting choked up just remembering it as I write this now), she began to weep, heavily. She clutched the folded flag to her breast and bent down over it, almost caving in on top of it. But you could still see her face in profile. No audio of the service, it was the reporter's voice-over you heard. But you could still see her face, as it turned deep red, the tears flowed, the nose and eyelids began to swell, and the breathing became difficult. You could see her gently rocking back and forth, slumped over that flag to which she clung in desperation and heartbreak. You could feel the anguish. I. WILL. NEVER. EVER. FORGET. THAT. Or her. It knifed me straight in the heart and the knife got stuck there. As a mother, I cannot imagine the pain. I just cannot imagine it. I don't even want to - I'm not sure I could bear it. And every time I rage against this war, every sentence I write, every phrase I utter, every feeling that comes over me - as though I'm literally coming to a boil, is fueled by the memory of that sobbing, grieving woman.

[Solly Mack]

117. Thank you, calimary!!

:hug:

and you're right, they are all of ours

[emmadoggy]

122. Just reading this post has brought me to tears, calimary.

I don't have any loved ones in Iraq, either, but what you said here...

"As a mother, I cannot imagine the pain. I just cannot imagine it. I don't even want to - I'm not sure I could bear it."

...is exactly the way I feel. And your vivid recounting of the video you saw just brought the tears to my eyes. I can understand your reaction to it because there have been images related to this war that I have seen that have affected me the same way. :hug:

[TahitiNut]

61. Once, they were my 'brothers'. Today, they're ALL still my kin.

I don't know how one can remain human and not acknowledge these people as kin. Every loss diminishes us all. Yes, I'm aware of the (cliche alert) bell tolling ... but it connects with something I deeply feel as true.

[Solly Mack]

65. I agree

I'm told cliches become cliches because they are all too often true.

[Skidmore]

5. Amen, Solly.

Troops out now!!

Did you hear My Story on NPR last night? There was a woman and her husband who is due to deploy to Iraq soon for another tour of duty. Her name was Stephanie Barnes, I think, and believe she has a blog (don't know the name of it--was listening to this in the car last night on my way home after class). She and her husband were talking about the toll the war has taken on them and how much she hates it, how trapped they feel by the military and how hard it is for him to get out and to move into a civilian job. I thought of you and your husband as I listened to her.

Those who think that this resolution to the war should be drawn out for political expediency should listen to families like yours and hers.

Thinking of you and hoping for peace soon.

[Solly Mack]

10. I missed it, sadly. I understand -fully - what she is saying.

Thank you, Skidmore

:hug:

[blm]

YOU NAILED THIS COMPLETELY, Solly Mack. The decision to surge is IMMORAL

because we all know with the Downing Street Memos that this war was built on lies at every stage, and ESPECIALLY NOW when Iraq is in civil war. A civil war that few in DC will even acknowledge.

[Solly Mack]

15. Exactly, blm. Every step of the way - lies.

Lies, lies and more lies.

Dying to maintain the lies. :(

[havocmom]

6. Support the troops, not the liar.

The troops deserve decent leadership.

[Solly Mack]

12. I agree!!

Thank you, havocmom!!

[TahitiNut]

64. Our men and women in service also deserve a Public that steps up to its democratic responsibility.

These people are not in 'service' to an administration - they're in service to a nation. People. That We The People permit their service to be corrupted is OUR failing, not theirs.

[donkeyotay]

121. Such a good point. It is our nation that has failed.

Failed in allowing the corruption that allowed a man who defends neither the nation nor the Constitution to lead us into an immoral, illegal and un-winnable war. Our nation who watches Fox and bought the lies. Our nation who allowed a cabal to hijack our interests because they were so obsessed with winning a "cultural war" that they let the ends justify the means. Our nation has failed. We are reaping the whirlwind.

"The nation is responsible to Heaven for the acts of the State." Lord Acton.

[StrictlyRockers]

7. Thank you!

For speaking the truth. It is so refreshing these days.

[PA Democrat]

9. This war is much too impersonal for most Americans.

For the past several weeks, I've been trying to imagine how this has been impacting those who have been paying the price for Bush's mistakes. My heart goes out to you, and it is because of you and the loved ones of other soldiers that we have to do everything possible to get out of Iraq as soon as possible.

Bush MUST be stopped.

:hug:

[Solly Mack]

16. Thank you, PA Democrat

:hug:

[JitterbugPerfume]

11. you are so right Solly!

I can not imagine any liberal supporting the "surge" It is immoral and unthinkable

[Solly Mack]

14. Hey JitterbugPerfume!

It really is immoral.

[bigtree]

13. it's sickening to hear them calmly admit that more soldiers will die in the escalation

at a higher rate

[Solly Mack]

17. I know! Like it was nothing...and to them it is nothing

More Iraqis, more Americans...more workers from other countries...will die to prop up Bush's lies and some act as if that's nothing.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

18. Powerful words

And painfully true.

[Solly Mack]

79. Thanks, LSD!

Maybe some will think it unfair, but that is how I view those who support the Iraq invasion/occupation and the "surge"

[dicknbush]

20. You know I wanted to call LIE-ber fuck man's office and give him a piece of my mind..

But I have such a hard time even listening to his Elemer Fudd voice impersonation that I can barely stand listening to him. I did call and left a message that included the definition of Insanity by Benjamin Franklin:

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results."

Benjamin Franklin

[Solly Mack]

21. That man rubs me the wrong way

Everything he says...my teeth just grind.

[Vidar]

23. K&R.

[mzmolly]

24. You can't win a war based on lies.

We lost when the SCOTUS handed the nomination to Bush, and you are correct, what a shame it is that people have given their life for Halliburton stock holders.

[Solly Mack]

25. Yes...truly. America lost on that day.

And it's gotten worse and worse each day since

Exactly!!! There is no winning a war based on lies.

[dicknbush]

35. You can't win a war that started with lies that continues with lies and is

about to be extended with more lies. Any bets on what kind of a bump Idiot will get after the speech? I know it may be hard to beleive but some out there will actually give this guy another chance and bump his numbers. I'm guessing about 5 to 10 percent.

[mzmolly]

46. If he gets a "bump" it will be less than 1- 5 percent IMHO.

:hi:

So, between us - we'll give him 5? ;) In all honesty, he's going to need lots more to sell "murika" on his BS.

[WinkyDink]

26. America lost. Bushco won. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[Solly Mack]

28. That's the truth!

[TahitiNut]

30. This needs repeating. The US and Iraq both lost in March 2003. Period.

Cheney/Bush dealt the people of BOTH the US and Iraq a losing hand ... and they've been raking the pot ever since!
The Cheney/Bush cabal are agents of narrow global privateering interests - economic necrophiles who profit from the sufffering and death of others!

[Solly Mack]

31. "economic necrophiles" Love it! Precisely what they are

[yellerpup]

33. Kick for truth.

If Lindsey Graham wants the honorable way out, he should impeach Bush & Cheney and stop lying.

[Solly Mack]

44. True that!

[lebkuchen]

34. We're waiting to see if any at Fort Irwin will be deployed again

poor young PFC re-upped in IRAQ, of all places, in exchange for a new American dream car, which has since been traded in. *sigh*

On edit: I think the troops have a case for harassment against the Bush administration. Americans should feel secure enough in their decision to make the military a career (to keep AMERICA safe on its shore) without fear of never-ending deployments for no good reason other than the malfeasant lining of rich folks' pockets.

[Solly Mack]

36. Common tale :(

I've stopped asking my neighbors about their deployment dates...it got to be too hard. Can always tell anyway...just do something nice for them and let them know you're there for them. Is what I do.

I'm beyond tired of it all.

[lebkuchen]

41. I sure hope your husband won't be redeployed.

I'm hearing here from returning soldiers that Ramadi is a lost cause...very dangerous. Many of the memorials listed in Stripes are ours...I get sent invites on my Outlook.

[Solly Mack]

42. I hope that as well

and we are trying to prevent it...

[lebkuchen]

45. I'm on the verge

of another letter, feeling good that Rummy's gone, but I'm still here. :) There's a story that goes w/that, but I'll leave it as is.

Pelosi is my rep. It helps to have the third most powerful person in the US on one's side.

I hope sanity will weigh in soon w/our govt. c/o the new Congress. Good luck to you.

[walk softly]

52. Wanting to go home

Before leaving Iraq, rotating troops are asked if they are physically fit and mentally fit = if they answer yes, they go home; if they say no (especially mental, emotional problems) they get to stay in Iraq for "treatment".

Harassment?

[La_Fourmi_Rouge]

55. Carch - 22! n/t

[ProfessorGAC]

40. There Is An "Honorable Way Out"

Admit we were wrong, and get out. There is honor in admitting a mistake.

Tell your husband to keep his head down, please. We don't need the count going up!
The Professor

[Solly Mack]

43. I agree - that is the honorable way out

and hold Bush Inc accountable

He's home now (and I want him to stay home)

[ProfessorGAC]

47. Good. I'd Prefer He Stay Here Too

Good luck to you both.
The Professor

[Major Hogwash]

48. Why does John McCain and Joe Lieberman want your husband to die?

Because they want Iraq's oil, they want to drive around in their bulletproof SUV limos and act as if they control America and try to control the world.

Lindsey Graham should be ashamed of himself for trying to defend the indefensible.

But McCain and Lieberman are the loudest cheerleaders for Bush's war, and they have no shame!

[Solly Mack]

67. Well said!

[lies and propaganda]

49. gorgeous post.

as a vet, I scream at the world that is sure as fuck not what our kids signed up for.

[Solly Mack]

68. We have to keep screaming it

Otherwise, people like Bush will blame the troops for it all. As well as blaming the rest of us for opposing the mad desires of Bush.

They'll blame in hopes of hiding the truth.

[earth mom]

50. K & R! And to those who don't support Impeachment-how do you live with yourselves?! eom

[Zhade]

53. HELL. YES.

I stand with you!

[Solly Mack]

69. Hey Zhade!!

Thanks!!! :)

[pacalo]

54. Excellent!

[graywarrior]

56. If anything ever deserved to be on the Greatest Page, this does.

You said it like it needed to be said.

[Solly Mack]

71. Thanks, graywarrior!!!!

[Deep13]

57. Hey, don't look at me! I never wanted to go there in the first place!

I know we lost. Frankly, we collectively deserve it for putting an idiot like Dubya in the WH when everyone knew he is an idiot. I don't think the individual servicemen and servicewomen deserve what they got, though.

[sammythecat]

58. I wish everyone could read your words.

In fact, I wish everyone was REQUIRED to read your words. I wish I could see you say these words to a bush supporter, face to face. I'd like to hear their response in your presence.

[Solly Mack]

73. Oh, I have...said it to a Bush supporter face to face

it was quite ugly... and then I felt sorry for them.

[Imagevision]

59. Kennedy to Deny Bush his troops for Escalation! Wants Votes Counted.

Ted Kennedy: The American people sent a clear message in November that we must change course in Iraq and begin to withdraw our troops, not escalate their presence.
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/002307.php

[Solly Mack]

74. I signed Kennedy's petition

Thanks for posting!!

[libodem]

60. We could be outa there, tomorrow

if that was what Dickless wanted. He hasn't culled enough dough from his stock holdings yet. And as I ponder the worlds' problems it comes to me that the truth does not matter. If we have won, lost or called this a draw, if the headlines state 'America, wins in Baghdad' then in the minds of the people we have won. If the Faux news ticker says America declared the winner....we are. If Bush pronounced that the victory is setting up a government, called a democracy...we have it...it's over...we won. We call it PEACE WITH HONOR like we did in southeast asia and get the hell out. These schmucks don't care what the reality or the truth is all they care about is what it's called and that they look good. They'll get us out when 'they' have enough oil and money.

[yurbud]

63. America "lost" because those we elected to represent us didn't. They were either bought by big oil

hoping to be, or afraid of being crushed by them like a bug (or they were crushed).

The only good that can come from this war is it took much less time for the public to turn against it than it did for the Vietnam War, and hopefully that will stay the hand of those looking for profit through blood in the future.

[Solly Mack]

66. I have often hoped for just that

that (finally) people will be more alert to the cravings of war profiteers and such would act as a check on their (WP) actions

It has taken less time and that is a very good thing.

[yurbud]

111. Chomsky said something similar about the "democracies" we set up in other countries. ..

Even though the goal is just the facade of democracy, it has to be closer and closer to the real thing to fool us, so they can't do what they did with the Shah or Latin American dictators until fairly recently--just call it a democracy even though it's not.

That's partly what gave them Chavez and other headaches in Latin America. People there have less patiences for bald-faced dictatorships like Pinochet and whoever the Bushies want to put in to replaces Chavez, Morales, et al.

[Rex]

75. It won't stop them.

The BFEE would sell it's grandmother (if that were possible) for a wooden nickel! WE, as in you and I, are nothing more then 'political capital' to be spent (killed) in the name of capitalism (their brand).

Thank goodness people woke up a lot faster than during Vietnam. Still, 3000+ dead military professionals later and we are planning on sending more troops!

Can we get a real leader please!? Someone who looks at the working class as PEOPLE and not capital.

Sorry yurbud, not yelling at you...these people (BFEE) just piss me off to no end!

[yurbud]

112. If we get anyone close to being a leader, they get taken out with either a bullet, ridicule, or...

telling the TV camera to point at them when it's turned on.

That's the tough part to work around, though the rebellion in the CIA and military these last fews years might make the first option harder to do.

That is another reason why the oligarchy fears Venezuela so much--the military decided to stop being the bad guys and work for democracy. The generals tried to lead a barracks coup, and the barracks wouldn't follow. If the Bushies or their equivalent try to take us too far off the reservation again, I don't think military will go along for the ride.

[Rex]

70. Wow.

Such good points and I hope your husband is safe and secure. Bush doesn't deserve the honor of knowing your husband. He is a snake, slithering through the legs of honest men and women.

As a vet, it breaks my heart. :(

[Solly Mack]

72. He's safe.....for now

but with Bush trying to snatch catastrophic dying from the jaws of horrific dying, you never know...

[Rex]

76. Good Solly.

My best friend is over there for his 3rd tour! 2 kids and a wonderful wife at home on Ft. Hood. :(

I will hope the best for you and your family. Bush...eww....man I get mad when I think about his worthless ass!

:mad:

[Pastiche423]

77. Excellently stated

K&R

[ninkasi]

78. Solly Mack, I agree with you so much

I was opposed to the invasion before Bush ordered it. I knew he was lying. I live in Texas, so knew enough about him to see through his lies. I personally don't have a friend or loved one in Iraq, but the troops have SOMEBODY here who loves them, and would be forever grief-stricken by a loved one's death, or horrific injury. I don't know any Iraqi citizens, but they are as entitled to a peaceful life as any of us.

Now that the invasion and occupation are done, the only thing I support is ENDING THIS WAR and bringing our people home. Now. No more waiting for a moron to "consult" with people who agree with him...he fires the ones who don't. No more debates about what has, could, or should be...people's lives are being ruined, all for the ego and stupidity of a man who is not qualified to be the assistant manager of a fast food shop.

The idea that we should stay so than we can claim some "victory" is a lie. We lost the very first night of Shock and Awe. I remember sitting in the living room, watching the reports, and every flash of bomb, and mortar, every cloud of smoke, tore at my soul. It meant that innocent people were dying, being torn apart, all so that Bush could reportedly pump his fist in the air and say, so I've heard, "Feels good!" How truly macho, how manly, to avoid the war your generation fought in, and send the children of others to make you feel all big and strong, and better than your dad.

Yeah, sacrificing middle and poorer Americans, and countless innocent Iraqis is really an ego trip for you, isn't it? Well, so, so many of us say no more, bring our troops home. I don't have to have met your husband, Solly, to want him home. I don't have to personally be related, or friends with, any of our troops there. They are being sacrificed on the altar of greed for oil, and neither Bush nor Cheney give a rat's ass about what tragedy is visited upon others, if it means bolstering his bloated ego. I promise, though, to do whatever I can to bring them home. I might now be able to do much, but even talking to other people, and writing letters, can add up to something.

I feel helpless, knowing the anguish you must be in, and powerless to be able to do anything about it, except in an indirect way. Peace and love to you and your husband, and to all of the others either stuck in that hell, or waiting, in another kind of hell, here at home. :hug: :hug: :hug:

[Solly Mack]

80. Beautifully said,ninkasi!!!! Thank you so much for your words!!!

:hug:

Very much appreciated!!!

[mvd]

81. Hear hear!

On Channel 6 tonight, they interviewed the mother of a soldier from Delaware, Elizabeth Loncki, who was recently killed in Iraq. She said that if Bush wants to send 20,000 more troops to Iraq, he should send one of his own beautiful daughters, as she put it. She lost her own beautiful daughter. Looking at the photos of Elizabeth over Christmas was heartbreaking.

No escalation - withdrawal!!!!

[Solly Mack]

87. Hi mvd!

Thank you for sharing Elizabeth Loncki's story.

A death that didn't have to happen and even 1 such death is 1 too many.

[Senator]

82. America was Terrorized Into Compliance

With a bomb threat of "Mushroom Clouds! ... in 45 minutes." Yes, America Lost.

But this never-elected, never-legitimate regime does not represent America. Your husband does.

And he has already won. By committing to both you and his nation "for better and for worse."

No, it won't be enough if he can't make it home. But it's something. Something many never get.

Thank him for me.

--

[Solly Mack]

88. Thank you, Senator!

He's home. He's been home...and I aim to keep him home.

[AnotherDreamWeaver]

83. How much longer is your Husband enlisted for?

Hope he isn't called up for Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran or Syria. Hope the 'surge' is not allowed to take place (May Kennedy get his way).

He could always join Lt. Watada if he does get that call... http://www.thankyoult.org/

Best wishes to all those in Military Service,
adw

[Solly Mack]

89. Indefinite

Soldiers reach a point when ETS is at the discretion of the army...you can request retirement and they can say yes or no.

He's already served in Iraq, back in 2003-2004.

[liberal renegade]

84. Unlawful Orders?

We all know that the occupation of Iraq is illegal by international standards, so don't the soldiers have a duty not to obey those orders of shoot to kill?

[midnight]

85. Bring them home.

Cindy is right, and so are you. You should not have to pay for this lie with your husband's life.

[Solly Mack]

91. Hi midnight! Thank you

and you're right...no one should have to pay for the lies of Bush with their life

[Straight Shooter]

86. Amen!

No one knows the pain and frustration quite like the one who pays the price of sending a loved one off to war, not knowing if that's the last time you'll touch the face, see the smile, feel the warmth of their arms around you. That pain and frustration is doubled when you realize you're being played as a pawn for the benefit of a maniac's ego.

Bless you, Solly Mack, and your husband and all your family and friends. :hug:

[Solly Mack]

92. Hey Straight Shooter! Thank you!!!

(((((( Straight Shooter ))))) for you and yours

[Horse with no Name]

90. I am so sorry Solly.

I know how you feel. I feel like our family has sacrificed enough. It's time for someone else to step up to duty if they are so entrenched in this idea of increasing the troops.
Let our family (and yours) have a few nights of respite from this nightmare.
May God bless you and yours.
BRING OUR TROOPS HOME NOW!

[Solly Mack]

93. Hiya HwnN!!

I know!! I say that all the time around the house..if they think this is such a good idea...then those folks need to haul their asses over there.

It has to end. It must end...enough dying already. Enough of the lies already.

[NashVegas]

94. "Don't Let My Son's/Daughter's/Husband's Death Be In Vain"

That's the worst of it, for me.

Because in making that statement, it seems to me that the person saying it (as justification to continue war) is demanding more deaths in order to validate their own loss. Emotional blackmail; what do you say to someone who makes such a statement without coming off as a cretin?

[Solly Mack]

97. I have had that problem in real life quite often

and even though I want to shake them badly...I fight the urge.

I can't - and won't - tell people how to grieve.

It's hard though, I won't lie. It's very hard to stay my tongue. In time a lot of them have come to see the only way to keep the death from being in vain is to stop others from dying for the lies...some never do. They can't. They either truly believe in "the cause" or their loss just won't allow it.

My husband came home...alive, mostly uninjured and then not seriously... albeit emotionally forever changed
..I've been spared that particularly grief (so far)

[NashVegas]

98. I'm Glad

Your man came home safe, SM. All the best.

[TahitiNut]

99. It's only "in vain" if we the people don't learn from our mistake

... in allowing this vicious, greedy, corrupt cabal to abuse their authority and lie us into a war that nobody could win but which enriches those who profit from human suffering and death on a global scale.

It's only in vain if we don't impeach, remove, indict, convict and imprison those who've done this to our nation. We must say "Never Again!" and point to these imprisoned bastards as an example of the justice that awaits anyone who'd think of committing such crimes ever again.

[barbtries]

95. i think it's time

that they stop going. but it's easy for me to say that knowing for each person called refusal to go will mean court martial and who knows what else. but they would stand a better chance of surviving here than they will in iraq, and if bush runs out of bodies to throw at his godforsaken war he will no longer be able to wage it.

[wildbilln864]

96. I'm with you Solly!

The soldiers are bound by duty to do as they are told. They cannot speak up so it is up to us the civilians to speak the truth and speakup for them! :hi:

911=MIHOP!

[AwakeAtLast]

100. My husband, too Solly!

He has been back only 6 months and we found out that his guard unit has been disbanded and is being absorbed by another. So guess what? That makes him immediately deployable all over again!!! :grr:

[Solly Mack]

101. ((((WakeMeUp))))

Oman, that sucks...and it happens more than people realize.

Soldiers get moved to a new unit shortly after return and back out they go in short order

[AwakeAtLast]

102. ((((Rightbackatcha!!))))

He decided to support an air reserve unit. That will let him do what he really wants to do. Let's hope that unit is not next in line to go! I'm glad they at least gave him his choice.

:hi:

[Canuckistanian]

103. I know it doesn't count, but

I've got a cousin serving in Afghanistan right now. In the Canadian Armed Forces.

And, as you know, Canadians have been taking the brunt of Taliban attacks lately.

I think of him often, but wonder WHAT the HELL he's doing there. And I'm glad he's there as a level-headed Canadian.

But he's not protecting MY freedom, that's for sure. No Afghan ever threatened ME.

[Solly Mack]

104. It counts. Your cousin counts very much so

I agree...no one fighting in Afghanistan is protecting my freedom either.

What happened on September 11th was a criminal act...not an act of war.

I do not now, nor have I ever, supported the invasion of Afghanistan.

It's not just American troops dying in Bush's wet dream...or his "trifecta"...and they ALL count.

[Imagevision]

105. To those who advocate the death of my sister...

[Solly Mack]

106. ((((Imagevision))) and for all our sisters and brothers

[understandinglife]

107. I advocate four actions ...

# 1 ...

# 2 ...

# 3 ... BE AMERICA. ---

# 4 ... Peace.


And, I hope your husband will join you and your family in a long and loving life, soon.
Bob

[Solly Mack]

109. Great links!! Thanks!!

He's home - just don't want him to have to go back.

[Irishonly]

108. Excellent Post

This war has been wrong on all levels from the beginning. No family should have ever had to lose a loved one because of a maniac's ego and lies. I heard Buchanan today spouting about how the US can't lose the war and I can't write what I thought about his statements. Too many families and friends have paid the ultimate price and it must stop. My heart breaks for all of the families living fear their nightmare may come true.

I don't know anyone in Iraq although I am afraid shortly that won't be the case. I lost a cousin during Nam. They couldn't even find his dog tags to send home and his memorial didn't have a casket. It was a flag draped table. My dad was very close to him and I watched both my father and my uncle's shoulders slump that day and they never did stand quite as tall again. Now it's happening again.

We have to get out now. We went to a place where we wouldn't win based on lies. For four+ years the freepers have told us we were wrong. Being right has no satisfaction. The price we paid hasn't been worth it.

[Solly Mack]

110. Well said!!!

100% agreed. There is no satisfaction in being right(lots of sadness though)...just not worth it.

[PuraVidaDreamin]

114. Oh sweet Solly- my heart goes out to you and all military families

I was so bullshit at the editorial in my newspaper
yesterday...

http://www.capecodonline.com/cctimes/commentary/

Check out the replies to it! You might notice
a familiar name or two there.

[Solly Mack]

116. Hi PVD!!!

Gawds..what an editorial! Great replies though!!!

[CountessMZaleska]

115. simple and brilliant

but mind you, Democrats are only planning a 'symbolic' vote against the war, which is a disgusting betrayal of the people who put them in power in November.

It would require a real spine to stop Bush, which Dems only get once they leave office (Gore, Hart, Carter, etc etc)

[babylonsister]

118. Do you have an anti-Dem agenda, because it sure sounds like it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3049430

I suggest you go read the letter released last week by Reid and Pelosi, and find a link to watch the speech Kennedy gave yesterday. I think the Dems are working with what they've got for now; they are in a far better position than they were a few months ago to effect change. I hope you give them some time to try to right a situation that's been going into the toilet for years.

[CountessMZaleska]

123. no

but I want to see ACTION and not excuses like 'working with what they've got for now'.

If they don't cut funding, they are cowards and criminals.

[Solly Mack]

119. There's nothing "symbolic" about the dying though

People are actually, really, and in horrific ways...dying :(

and there won't be anything symbolic about who the people blame...because the whole of Congress will be the ones blamed if Congress does not stop Bush.

The people might vote in terms of party..but when it comes to governing, they see the whole of Congress, and judge accordingly. Fair or not...the 110th Congress will be held to blame if they can't stop Bush.

[AverageJoe]

120. Devastating Poem

I admire your eloquence and simple, honest lines. Truth can make for great art.