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EnviroBat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 01:41 PM
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Is Hugo Chavez really one of the worlds most dangerous people?
Cause FOX told me so a little while ago, and I believe them... :sarcasm:
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 01:43 PM
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1. Any nation with nukes has to be a little ahead, and the more nukes, the more dangerous.
You do the math.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 01:58 PM
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13. not to add their is only one nation who already has used nukes and has a sociopath as a leader
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physioex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 01:44 PM
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2. There has to be a boogey man.....
Something has to be there to get the freepers all riled up about. Communisum, Saddam, Arab Terrorists, Hugo Chavez, Castro......
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 01:45 PM
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3. I don't know, there are a lot of people here in the U.S. benefitting from
Edited on Wed Jan-10-07 01:46 PM by AndyA
inexpensive heating oil due to Chavez.

That's more than George Bush has done for them. In fact, a lot more. Bush didn't even try to rein in the oil companies when they were gouging us at the pumps.

Bush might consider Chavez dangerous, but I'm sure those paying smaller heating bills don't feel that way.

When you shut someone out, they might seem more dangerous, because there is no line of communication. I don't like everything Chavez has done, but Bush isn't in a position to criticize him, either. A lot of the world feels George Bush is one of the world's most dangerous people, and there's pretty good reason for them to feel that way.
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 01:54 PM
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10. How many is "a lot"? n/t
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 02:01 PM
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16. 50 million barrels.
Edited on Wed Jan-10-07 02:02 PM by AndyA
According to Time Magazine:

Philadelphia, Boston, the Bronx and cities in Maine, Vermont and Rhode Island have received a total of 45 million gallons of the subsidized Citgo fuel, and other cities are slated for another 5 million soon. That’s a small percentage of the heating oil Venezuela exports to the U.S. each year, but Citgo says it has set aside about 10% of its refined petroleum products for the program.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 01:59 PM
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14. It's interesting to me that West Texas Intermediate (crude oil) is still priced above OPEC ....
... and the Oiligarchs point the finger at Chavez while extolling the 'virtues' of the Saudi's for increasing production.

Hello? :wtf:

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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 02:04 PM
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20. There is a lot about oil pricing right now that doesn't make sense.
I suspect some of the answers are contained in the super secret Bush Energy Policy that was done behind closed doors. The only ones benefiting are the big oil conglomerations.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 01:46 PM
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4. He's an authoritarian, but not the most dangerous person in the world...
Edited on Wed Jan-10-07 01:47 PM by originalpckelly
I'd tell you that a brain dead idiot with the nuclear football.
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 01:47 PM
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5. Who Exactly is in Danger?
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 01:48 PM
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6. No - the neo cons in the White House are
nt
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Say_What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 01:49 PM
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7. LOL!! El Mono Bush aka Mr Danger the Donkey is the world's most dangerous person...
and that's a documented fact.

I did a search at the NYTs on Allende. Interesting to view the headlines from those years at the NYTs. See the similarities? It's the same old US dirty tricks game. Demonize, try to discredit, and pour millions into trying to destabilize Venezuela's economy. The MSM has ALWAYS been the propaganda shill for the US government.

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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 01:51 PM
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8. Why, who has he invaded?
:shrug:
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 01:53 PM
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9. To corporations in Venezuela. He's a danger to their profits.
And, the idea that the people should benefit from their own resources might spread to other countries in the region.
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 01:55 PM
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11. Heaven forbid that corporations have profits.
And I wasn't aware that telecommunication systems were a natural resource.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 01:57 PM
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12. My heart bleeds for Verizon.
Maybe the CEO will have to deploy his Golden Parachute.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 02:02 PM
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17. You think easements over private and public lands should be free to privateers?
Edited on Wed Jan-10-07 02:04 PM by TahitiNut
You think a municipal infrastructure should be privately-owned? You think the broadcast spectrum ISN'T a "natural resource"???

:wow: :wow: :wow: :wow:
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 02:09 PM
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21. Thanks Nut When I Read That I Went WTF?
Gobsmacked. Yes that is the word I was looking for.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 02:55 PM
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29. (((Binka))) ... Yep. "Gobsmacked" is certainly the word.
Edited on Wed Jan-10-07 03:02 PM by TahitiNut
The privateering (piracy) of public infrastructure and resources is totally appalling to me.

That's why I like what Ashland, Oregon has done - converted their entire cable/wire physical infrastructure to municipal ownership, upgraded to fiber-to-the-curb and opened it up to ALL service providers to compete in offering services over that infrastructure. No more having a single choice for telecommunications access and being dependent on some indolent customer service 'rep' in another state or another country.

That's also part of why I like Kucinich and how he handled municipal power in Cleveland

The Telecomm Act of 1996 is an absolute abomination. Chavez has the right idea. Nationalize the energy and telecomm infrastructure. Fuck the pirates!

PS: I hope your son's doing good! :patriot:
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 03:10 PM
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31. Ah Nut They Are Sending Ben Back In March
I guess this was not enough for them.

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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 03:48 PM
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33. !
:cry:

((Binka)) :hug:
((Ben)) :hug: :patriot:

(Words fail me.)
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irislake Donating Member (967 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 03:07 PM
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30. But what profits?
I'm all for Chavez. What a refreshing change from Cheney/Bush.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 02:00 PM
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15. Dangerous? Nah. Just a third-world, America-hating, attention craving wannabe
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 04:55 PM
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36. Did I miss the sarcasm tag?
WHAT DO YOU AMIS CARE about Venezuela? What do you REALLY know about anything that happens beyond a thousand mile radius from where you live?
How many, who have so much to say, can READ and UNDERSTAND SPANISH? :shrug:

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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 02:02 PM
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18. I don't like the idea of stepping on the press, but...
...absolute legal freedom of the press or close to it seems to be particular to this country. Other free countries like Canada and Britian have some level of censorship. So I am not prepared to label Chavez a Castro-esque dictator on that score. Besides, in this country, the press is heavily censored by its corporate ownership, something I will guess is not true for Venezuela. As far as nationalizing industry, so what? Chavez was reelected fair-and-square which is more than Dubya can honestly claim.
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partylessinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 02:03 PM
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19. Of course not! Chavez is a hero. And he knows sulfur when he smells it.




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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 02:14 PM
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22. Absolutely not. And here's a tip for you ... if Fox says it, you can bet your bottom dollar
that the truth is 180 degrees away.
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High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 02:15 PM
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23. Yes, and Ted Kennedy is an enemy of America.
Fox told me that today.
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RethugAssKicker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 02:26 PM
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24. Chavez is a great man !.... Viva Chavez


Most Americans are buying the bullshit about Chavez. They don't know shit !
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Nutmegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 02:27 PM
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25. I must post this:
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RethugAssKicker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 03:37 PM
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32. Thanks..first time reading it.
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 02:50 PM
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26. He like all "enemies of the state" are only dangerous
to capitalists....He just may show that a form of socialism could work and that can't be allowed...as usual...but everyone knows that as the oil becomes harder to get, capitalism will fall and we'll have to go to a form of socialism to survive...
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 02:55 PM
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27. Nope
Just another bonapartist strongman.
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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 02:55 PM
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28. Yes he's EXTREMELY dangerous.
using a democracy to find out what the majority of his people actually want and then doing it? OMG!!!

using the resources of the country to enrich the majority of the people instead of just the select top elite? OMG!!

This man must be stopped before the serfs in the US get any bright ideas.

:sarcasm:
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JacksonWest Donating Member (561 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 03:54 PM
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34. he has strange bedfellows(Cuba, Iran), but he's not dangerous.
He's a jackass, but a populist jackass. He's not a horrible person, I just don't understand the hero worship. He sort of reminds me of Ed Schultz, only he's probably got a better radio show.

It is amazing watching the denigration of Chavez by the media and the assorted nut jobs on the right. He worthy of some criticism, but he's hardly dangerous. If he didn't have oil, we wouldn't care. But that's understood. Oh well. He'' be a non issue if and when we get a Dem in the White House.
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judaspriestess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 04:03 PM
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35. I just asked a tourist from Venezuela visiting Las Vegas a
similar question the other night, he said, Chavez is no good.
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