Fascinating graphic

[volstork]

Courtesy of C&L:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/01/10/where-they-came-from/

[goclark]

1. So sad, thanks for the graphic nt

[JuniperLea]

2. Thanks for that!

Notice the high concentration in Los Angeles. I wonder why that is... hmmm... oh, wait. Brown people. Got it. All the sweet talking about citizenship no doubt.

[sdfernando]

4. I noticed that too

Seems that the majority of these casualties have come from blue states.

[asthmaticeog]

5. Oh, please.

The highest concentrations are exactly on top of the highest population centers. Which is to be more or less expected. This is sad and infuriating enough without bringing bogus race-baiting into it. Locate a chart that suggests a racial discrepancy and you'll have something to talk about then.

[JuniperLea]

10. Oh please your own damn self!

Published on Saturday, January 29, 2005 by the Miami Herald
Transferring Cost of War to Latin America is Morally, Politically Wrong

U.S. officials learned one lesson from the Vietnam War it is that opposition at home to U.S. military intervention abroad grew as American casualties mounted. Now officials have found a way around this problem: In Iraq, U.S. contractors are recruiting people from poor Latin American countries to carry out security tasks.

http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0129-24.htm



Common knowledge, get with the program.

Same deal with this war and most others where racial numbers are tabulated.

"Prisoners in niggertown its a dirty little war. 3-5-0-0 Take weapons up and begin to kill... "

I'm a white woman, btw, who hates to see brown people killed for "my" sake. This is nothing new. Maybe to you, but it's nothing new.

[asthmaticeog]

12. I didn't see any poor Latin Americn countries on that map of the US. nt

[JuniperLea]

13. Sure you did. You just didn't recognize them.

They are called Los Angeles, San Bernardino, San Diego, etc.

There are more Latinos in Los Angeles than anyone other group.

[asthmaticeog]

14. Immaterial.You're trying to have it both ways.

You can't claim an ethnic imbalance using evidence from other countries and then say the same data applies to Los Angeles with no further supporting evidence.

[JuniperLea]

16. Seems you are more interested in scolding me than using common sense

Even if you used a mean average for Los Angeles, you would end up with far more Latinos.

I have no desire to explain the obvious.

[asthmaticeog]

18. L.A. isn't the only city on that map with a high concentration.

There's a pretty dense cluster around lily-white Portland, and one around Denver, too, for example. Smaller than the one around L.A., sure, but they're far less populous areas. Your attempt to imply that the military is a big-whitey conspiracy to eliminate the mud people is really, really ridiculous.

And hell yeah, I'm scolding you, you're using irrelevant data to prove a laughable point.

[Catherine Vincent]

20. "mud people"

Where did that come from?

[asthmaticeog]

22. It's a term white racists use to describe people with darker skin.

I was using the expression sardonically. I'm disappointed that I should have to explain that.

[nadinbrzezinski]

25. The casualties are FOR THE US MILITARY

not Halliburton.

So casualties originally from Colombia will not be on the map

Kids growing up in SE LA join up in higher concentrations not becuase they are latino, but becuase they are promised a way out

Perhaps what yuo are seeing is not race, but economic draft

Too bad I have to explain this to you.

Btw, my husband was part of that ecnonomic draft when he hoined the navy over 20 years ago. He is neither latino, or african amiercan, or anything else, just from a disadvantaged family.

Lord there are days...

[asthmaticeog]

26. Um, I totally agree with you.

Did you mean to be posting this to someone else?

[nadinbrzezinski]

28. No I meant it for you

[asthmaticeog]

29. Well, I don't get why, then.

I've been arguing that:

A) race-based conspiratorial thinking in re Iraq casualties is misplaced and

B) mercenaries from Central America hired privately by contractors aren't counted on the map the OP posted and are immaterial to the US military casualty data.

Since you're saying the same, I'm not really understanding why you're taking me to task here.

Actually, you know what? Don't even bother. I'm going to bed.

[Beausoir]

27. Have to agree. The large cities take the most casualites. No surprise here.

[RagingInMiami]

19. Although I know for a fact that poor brown people are heavily targeted for recruiting

The following link indicates that the deaths are not only relative to the ethnic breakdown of the military, but to the actual population of the country.

Combat Deaths

Whites - 74.6%
Hispanics - 11 %
Blacks - 9.6%

Total military

Whites - 67%
Hispanics - 9%
Blacks - 17%

U.S. Population ages 18-44

Whites - 75.5%
Hispanics - 14.2%
Blacks - 12.2%

http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/static.php?f=race.php

EDIT: In other words, there is not much difference between poor white people and poor brown and black people. Now if the poor white people of this country can begin to see that, maybe we'll get some serious changes done.

[asthmaticeog]

24. Thank you for posting this. nt

[JuniperLea]

32. Thanks for that

I'm a poor white woman in support of my brown and black neighbors. There's a recruiter in our neighborhood by the name of Martinez who targets Latinos... he's gotten a piece of my mind more than once. I figure if he can set himself up on a high school campus where my kids attend, lily white though they may be, I have every right to blast him for enabling the murder of his people and I curse him, telling him that the souls of his murdered brothers and sisters will haunt him all his days. I try a gentler tact when I encounter Latino neighbors with Bush stickers on their broken down cars... so sad. Someone has fed them a load of bullshit.

[Rex]

3. Looks like a map with blood splatter stains all over it.

That's what I thought it was as first.

[lonestarnot]

21. Red is the right color for those repigs. This blood-stained map

is representative of their choice of color.

[Ezlivin]

6. I wonder what a similar map of the world would look like?

Marked with all the deaths that America is responsible for. Would we then look at the "terrorists" differently?

[thereismore]

7. blue states with most casualties? (CA, New England, NY) ... nt

[Bucky]

8. Blue states have more concentrated population is all. The deaths are

...a pretty accurate cross section of who Americans are and where we come from.

[JuniperLea]

11. Got stats to back that up? n/t

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

9. N.D.,S.D.,Neb, LA, WY, MT, & Alaska

Seem to have the most deaths per 100,000.

[TahitiNut]

15. Yep.

The darker the state, the more KIAs per capita.

[InkAddict]

17. I just see American States United

in mourning the blood of its men and women in uniform from sea to shining sea. :cry:

[nadinbrzezinski]

23. Hmm correlation to support or opostion of the war?

Yep I think so

[underpants]

30. This is very interesting. KICK

[frogcycle]

31. look at the faces

Click here to see those from the past three months

http://www.dbc3.com/Fallen/">Fallen

Click here to browse through all 3351 from both theatres
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/fallen/">Faces of the Fallen

I don't have stats at hand, but it is NOT heavily weighted toward minorities


Every one of them is an individual, leaves a hole in a family. Click through and read obituaries, home-town paper stories.

Get over trying to find additional insidious plots and just focus on the travesty at hand.