"Pelosi is the most liberal person in congress!" and other idiot tropes

[jollyreaper2112]

Cow-orker pulled this one on me and threw in shuddering mentions of H. Clinton and T. Kennedy for good measure. "Liberals!" he gasped, like he was revealing these three were secret pederasts. Yeah, I bet they use the blood of christian babies to make purim cookies and poison wells, too! He says my views are completely left of mainstream for the Dems and I should realize that. I'm closer to a bomb-throwing anarchist than a proper Democrat. Sheeeit, I'm not a registered Dem, I'm just for whoever is against the Pukes.

But I am curious to see how my opinions differ from the rest here.

Pelosi: Been weak-tea so far. Her anti-Bush rebuttals during the state of the union and other speeches were pathetic. There was no leadership, no big ideas aside from "We're like the GOP but different. Vote for us!" I'm hoping that the 2006 elections have given her some stones and she'll use them to hammer the Pukes. We'll see. Grounds for believing this: limp, ineffectual opposition to Bush for the last six years.

Hillary: Opportunistic, self-serving, only in it for the power. Careful to never take a strong position on anything until it's been focus-grouped to death, only takes what stands she does to boost poll numbers, never champions an unpopular cause just because it's the right thing to do. GOP hates her because they've been trained in a pavlovian fashion to hate her and all "liberals" but with no logical foundation for that belief. I dislike her because I can't see a difference between her and the GOP, mainly because she seems to have her nose stuck up their butt so she can get a whiff of which way the wind is blowing. Grounds for believing this: just look at the Iraq war, constantly currying the Bush position, even after it has been discredited.

Kennedy: Sort of like a Clinton except he screwed the pooch and wasted his potential before he got into the White House. And like Clinton, because he had potential the right wing threw a shitload of resources into demonizing him so as to blunt any effectiveness he might have. Was not good at countering GOP lies, thus becomes a liability.

How far off from DU mainstream is this? :)

[Jim Sagle]

1. I can scarcely see you from where I stand.

And I'm no Hillary fan.

When you dismiss Teddy, you lose most of us.

[jollyreaper2112]

4. well

That's why I posted, to get a feel of what people are thinking. Kennedy is good? Please enlighten me. God knows the mainstream media doesn't cover the facts, just the crap. What have I missed that's good?

[MannyGoldstein]

2. Kennedy? I Think He's Been A Good Egg!

My senior senator voted AGAINST the IWR. For the past three years he has been literally screaming, at anyone who will listen, that Bush is a lying crook - well before it became fashionable. I've not alway's been Ted's greatest fan - but I think that, ar least for the past few years, he's been the exact opposite of Mrs. Clinton. He's Ted-driven, not poll-driven.

[seabeyond]

3. when the dems had NO power they continued to try to put legislation out

and the repug with all the power continued to not allow it. you can say pelosi had no big idea but with NO power they can only do so much and i think they contained the repugs enough with NO power. that is what happens when there is NO power. if you watched cspan during their powerless time you would have seen the dems attempt a lot and speak out. so to have an expectation of dem without power is lack of knowledge how the system works. and since they have had power, .... 3, 4 days... i think they have done well, accomplished much in so little time

personally i do not agree with your opinion

and i am not a dem either. but i do like to be pragmatic and realistic. or fair

[jollyreaper2112]

5. read for content

Please note what I said.

Pelosi: Been weak-tea so far. Her anti-Bush rebuttals during the state of the union and other speeches were pathetic. There was no leadership, no big ideas aside from "We're like the GOP but different. Vote for us!" I'm hoping that the 2006 elections have given her some stones and she'll use them to hammer the Pukes. We'll see. Grounds for believing this: limp, ineffectual opposition to Bush for the last six years.

[seabeyond]

6. and i dont agree. you are expecting an effectiveness when dems had no power

to be effective, yet even in that i think they were able to do things out of shear effort and te back bone that media and many dems deny them. i think after the 2004 election dems have held their own.

[jollyreaper2112]

7. to the future

I'm hoping for big things in the next two years. Dean really helped the Dems clobber the Pukes, no thanks to that alien freak boy Carville. (Doesn't he look like something the Weekly World News would photoshop up? Like Bat Boy's ugly stepbrother or something.)

Anyway, the Dems now have the tools to kick ass and take names. I've got my popcorn ready, let's play ball.

[seabeyond]

8. let's play ball.... i am with you. carville i am so

disappointed with him. i use to like him. dean i love. been giving to dean dnc for over a year now, monthly. well worth it to me to support dean.

[jollyreaper2112]

11. ha

I always disliked Carville from when I first read about him schtuping that Republican whore of a wife of his. To me, that's the disgusting part because it says that there aren't principles and morals at play here, it's just part of the game that is their job. It's like that old Looney Tunes cartoon with the sheepdog and the wolf. They're both friends before work, then they clock in and try to kill each other. Afterwards they clock out and are friends again. I'm sorry, that's just not possible in today's environment. If your opponents are good, noble, well-meaning people, you can agree to disagree in a civil manner. But the Republicans are anything but civil. They are not noble and worthy opponents, like two great atheletes vying for the gold. No. The Republicans are like the rotten kid team in the Peanuts Great River Race. They are a vile cancer eating at the heart of this democracy.

I liked that old Family Guy bit where Carville showed up. Peter Griffin just couldn't stand looking at his face since it caused pain. "Oh, God! What are you, some kind of space alien? It burns!"

[gatorboy]

9. Gee, wasn't Kerry the most liberal congressman in 2004?

That wasn't that long ago, y'know. You wingnuts need to start making up your minds....

[VelmaD]

10. for the brazillionth time...

whether or not a politician has "stones" is irrelevent. "Stones" do not give one courage or leadership ability...case in point - the current Pretzeldent. It's an archaic bit of sexist drivel that still permeates our language and it's gotten beyond old. There are many gender neutral ways of describing someone with courage. Find one and use it.

[jollyreaper2112]

12. ugh

With all due respect, please get off the PC high horse. These terms are in the American vernacular. I hear women address groups of other women by saying "Hey, guys," all the time. I've heard women joke "If I had balls, they'd be bigger than yours." It's a colloquealism that means a willingness to engage, to not back down, to show fire in the face of opposition.

I'm not trying to be a dick, just saying that all this concentration on gender language distracts from the more important issues. (
Oh, wait, I said "dick." I must hate men.)