Why, after we train them,...

[SHRED]

...do the Iraqis not secure their own country?
Why do they disband, or do not show up to fight, in such large numbers?

I think there is at least a two part answer to this.

1. There is really no such thing as a homogeneous, "Iraqi people". Let me explain. Since the toppling of Saddam and the USA's failure to provide security from the outset. The "Iraqi people", as Bush calls them, have broken down into sectarian groups for a sense of security, protection, and basic survival. Their loyalties now are tied even more strongly to the Sunni, Shi'a, or Kurds. Sunni being Saudi Arabia backed and Sh'ia being Iran backed. Shi'ia being the currently installed government and the vast majority in Iraq.

2. They know we will leave someday. They know we will have to probably sooner than later. There is a "fear of association" factor that I do not hear much about. When Saigon fell, and we were leaving, there were thousands of southern Vietnamese who were clamoring to GET THE HELL OUT! This was due to the fact that they were "involved" with the USA. They had their names on paperwork. Their neighbors knew. They were essentially going to be dead meat, for treason, after we left.
So it is in Iraq.

Where are these discussions in our USA media?

:banghead:

[mikeytherat]

1. When the U.S. military is unable to control the violence in Iraq,

why do we assume the Iraqis, which have NO military, can control this? Exactly how is this supposed to happen?

mikey_the_rat

[SHRED]

3. History held the answers

History held the answers.
History told us this was doomed.
History of our checkered involvement in Iraq was, and to this day is, ignored.
The coverage of the Saddam execution was a classic example of this. No mention that we held the receipts for the chemical weapons. No mention of Rumsfeld chemical involvement with Saddam in all the "look back at Saddam's rise to power" specials on TV. No mention of the 1963 CIA overthrow and the rise of the Ba'thist Party.

Nope. Just a complete denial.
The same denial that those blinded had by wrapping themselves in the flag and wanting "revenge" for 9-11. Their minds were shut and their feelings were running full bore.
The facts did not matter to these Americans. The Bush administration, via the media, preyed upon the angst of our county following 9-11. Americans were hustled and people like us who spoke out back then were labeled "traitors".

Now the chickens have come home to roost.
This is what we had warned them about but were not listened to, or even heard.


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[RC]

2. We train them, arm them,

and they desert and fight against us using their new training and our armaments. We have been doing this for how many years now?