Check out these 2008 Presidential Odds from the WSJ (sportsbook.com)

[mdmc]

1-1 Hillary Clinton 1-1 (would be the first women elected President)
3-1 John McCain 3-1 (would be the first POW elected President)
3-1 Al Gore 3-1
6-1 Barack Obama 6-1 (would be the first black elected President)
8-1 John Edwards 8-1
10-1 Mitt Romney 10-1 (would be the first Mormon elected President)
10-1 Rudy Giuliani 10-1 (would be the first gay elected President)
10-1 Sam Brownback 10-1
12-1 Bill Richardson 12-1 (would be the first latino elected President)
20-1 Mike Huckabee 20-1
22-1 Chuck Hagel 22-1
25-1 Colin Powell 25-1 (would be the first black President)
30-1 Joe Biden 30-1
30-1 Condoleezza Rice 30-1(would be the first black / women President)
40-1 Tom Vilsack 40-1
40-1 Newt Gingrich 40-1
50-1 John Kerry 50-1
50-1 Chris Dodd 50-1
50-1 George Pataki 50-1 (Would be the first Greek elected president)
75-1 Wes Clark 75-1
100-1 Jeb Bush 100-1
200-1 Dennis Kucinich 200-1

discuss among yourselves. PEACE AND LOW STRESS

[shadowknows69]

1. LOL they have Guiliani as "Would be first Gay President?"

Does Rudy know?

[LynneSin]

3. Guiliani is Gay - does his ex-wives and mistresses know

:shrug:

[mdmc]

6. Pehaps

:shrug: perhaps they will find out.

[mdmc]

57. most likely the last to know.

:kick:

[mdmc]

58. most likely the last to know.

:kick:

[mdmc]

5. they provided the stats

I wrote out the rest.

[Clevenger]

2. It's nice to see Kerry and Gingrich near the bottom, where they belong. n/t

[mdmc]

7. Welcome to DU

peace and low stress!

[blm]

8. Yeah - certainly don't want any anti-corruption, open government Democrats debating

on that stage. The REAL truth about this nation's governance might slip out.

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html

[Sydnie]

10. with a working knowledge of the players currently on the field

and all the history to back it up (Kerry IS my President). Yeah, we wouldn't want that would we? :sarcasm:

Some people just don't get it at all. I sure wish they did though. Don't you?

[blm]

18. It's a matter of priorities. Many people CLAIM they want open government, but

have no clue who the lawmakers are who actually risk their careers by fighting for it.

The secrecy and privilege Democrats benefit from that because the corpmedia masters trust that wing of the party. Bill Clinton proved he will keep BushInc's secrets, and so they would have no problem with Clinton2 should she be the Dem nominee.

[wisteria]

17. Now, maybe Gingrich belongs there, but not Kerry. He is as open and honest as they come.

Why would he belong down there? I don't get your point. Kerry has done more for the roots and the people of this country and for our candidates in 06 than anyone else. He has lead the filibuster on Alito, has introduced the most comprehensive and detailed amendment to end this war in Iraq,has had the Baker commission respect his judgment enough to ask him to testify before them. He has called for the outing of Rumsfield back in 2003. He has offered up ideas on energy conservation, health care, foreign relations, small business, federal budget. Etc.
I just don't see how an informed person could compare him with Gingrich and attack him. We would all be better served with leadership like his.

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[Clevenger]

28. "You guys"? Please explain.

[mdmc]

34. "you guys"

newbies that diss dems ("Kerry deserves to be at the bottom") :kick:

[Clevenger]

35. I can't have a negative opinion about a certain Democrat?...

Ever hear of freedom of speech?

[mdmc]

38. well, this is a private discussion forum

so, if you were interested in jocking Bush (or McCain), your "free speech" would not be welcome here.

Short of that, bring it on.

I once had a thread locked cause I stated that I convinced my girlfriend to vote only for (D)Kristen Gillibrand -NYCD 20 / the rest of the people she voted for were anti-drug war greens. All the other Dems in NY (Spitzer, Cuomo, Hevesi) won in landslides. The thread got locked cause of the green votes.

[Clevenger]

40. If by "jocking" you mean praising...

...Bush or any other Republican, then you misjudge me completely.

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[Clevenger]

44. I'm likely to be banned from DU for not liking Kerry? What is this?

[mdmc]

51. No. Read this

Per DU rules...

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[mdmc]

54. read it

[MGKrebs]

43. Sure you can, but

I don't think you should expect to be able to sign up here and right off the bat start dissing the last Dem presidential candidate without catching some flack. If you say negative stuff right away, people will distrust you. Especially when you throw in some nonsensical stuff about freedom of speech. What the hell is that supposed to mean anyway?

[wisteria]

22. What exactly do you have against Senator Kerry? He is certainly an honest man,

unlike Gingrich.

[Clevenger]

27. Kerry was a miserable candidate...

In my view, he acted like he didn't even want the job. I suppose he's honest, but what good is that if you can't be bothered to get elected?

[Sydnie]

36. Then you weren't paying attention and you really don't

know THE MAN that Kerry is. Didn't want the job? Piffle.

[Clevenger]

37. Maybe Kerry wanted the job, but he didn't come across that way to me...

...and I'm not the only one who got that impression. I mean, didn't the Kerry campaign end up with some $15 million left over after their failed run? That's what I've heard, anyway.

[Alexander]

45. Aren't the Kerry apologists wonderful?

Despite the fact that the Dems got trounced by the worst margin in presidential politics since Dukakis, Kerry is their GOD, and don't you dare even THINK anything negative about him.

Feel free to say what you want about Kerry, the few shrill voices of the Kerrybots will make themselves be heard regardless.

BTW, I hear touching John Kerry will cure cancer.

[Clevenger]

47. Thanks. I needed that. n/t

[mdmc]

52. I don't mind what YOU have said

as per du

Per DU rules...

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Constructive criticism of Democrats or the Democratic Party is permitted. When doing so, please keep in mind that most of our members come to this website in order to get a break from the constant attacks in the media against our candidates and our values. Highly inflammatory or divisive attacks that echo the tone or substance of our political opponents are not welcome here.

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[Sydnie]

50. There is a reason for that

Again, you needed to pay attention, find the facts for yourself instead of just blindly believing what "you heard". Once he accepted the federal funds, he couldn't spend that money. He accepted those fund when he accepted the nomination in July.

[blm]

41. If the DNC had done its job and secured the election process and the party infrastructure

in every state, you'd be able to complain about President Kerry today.

In fact, if the DNC had secured the election process in 2000 and 2002, you'd be addressing President Gore and the 4 yr old Dem majority congress today.

[alfredo]

59. Money and timing of the convention worked against him.

If you are taking public money you have severe restrictions on spending after your nomination. The GOP moved their convention to the last possible date when they found when the Dems were holding theirs. All through August Kerry had to watch his money and couldn't launch a good defense against the Swift Boat Liars. If he did he wouldn't have money for the final weeks of the campaign. Their lies planted seeds of doubt against Kerry. But the real defeat came at the hands of Blackwell in Ohio. He manipulated the election to ensure bush won. Still the 15 state strategy was wrong, it left too little wiggle room for presidential candidates.

bush's nomination came so late that they had to lobby for changing the laws in one state to keep him on the ballot. I believe the state was Illinois or Missouri. I can't remember.

[mdmc]

60. the balloons didn't even drop for him at the convention.

seemed like the perfect storm against the dems. I was a Dean guy myself, but I doubt Dean could have won in 2004. The GOP was so on back then. Amazing what a couple of years can do.

[blm]

4. And then the DEBATES will begin and the reassessments will follow.

.

[Apollo11]

9. Good to see Gore up there!

I still say that Al Gore is the most experienced and best qualified potential candidate for President of the US. He is a visionary and has been proved right so many times. Not just on the climate crisis but also on other issues like the invasion of Iraq, the PATRIOT Act and the ongoing abuses of executive power by the current Resident of the Whitehouse.

Gore will be 60 in 2008. He is several years younger than McCain, Giuliani, Kerry and Clark. He is also 5 whole months younger than Hillary! :)

I look forward to reading his forthcoming book "The Assault on Reason" (due in May 2007).

Let's all find ways to help keep Gore's name in the frame for 2008!

In Gore We Trust :)
www.algore.com
www.algore.org
www.draftgore.com
www.draftgore2008.org
www.patriotsforgore.com

[Clevenger]

29. I hope Gore is the nominee in 2008. n/t

[Apollo11]

11. Correction: Wes Clark is at 20-1

I checked the site: http://www.sportsbook.com/sportsbook/livelines.php

I don't normally place bets - but 75-1 looked like very good odds! :)

[mdmc]

16. I think your Clark odds are more viable

75-1 was rather long

[bullwinkle428]

31. I was about to call a bookie if he was 75-1!! I think he's going to

continue to look more and more attractive as the year progresses!

[billybob537]

12. These wingnut whack jobs

Are really salivating at the chance to run any Puke against Hillary. As if we didn't know it's their only chance of winning in 08. Hillary has none of the charm of Bill Clinton her only selling point is Republicans hate her like no-one else. If you want to energize the Republican base nominate Hillary. If you want real honest leadership at a crucial time in America nominate John Edwards IMHO.

[wisteria]

21. Edwards doesn't strick me as being particlarly honest or trustworty.

Frankly, I didn't like him in 04 and I have grown to like he even less in 07. He will definately not get my vote. Not presidential material in my opinion.

[Clevenger]

33. Edwards would make a good local TV news anchor, but President? Nah. n/t

[nealmhughes]

13. Actually, Andrew Jackson was taken prisoner by the British during the Revolution.

He bore a scar from a British officer's sabre striking him when he refused to clean the man's boots. He was just a boy then.
President Wilson also grew up under Union occupation in Georgia and Virginia.

[mdmc]

15. I didn't know either of those things!

Was Jackson captured after the war of 1812 ended, or was he captured during the war?:kick:

[nealmhughes]

23. It was in the Revolution. He hated the British and blamed them for his

brother's death. That is why he kicked ass against them in the War of 1812! Jackson was Irish, Northern Irish Protestant, but Irish all the same... Some think he may have been born in Ireland and took on a younger brother's identity who was born in Carolina later on to make him a "real American."
There is no way Andrew Jackson would have been captured as an adult! He would have shot the fleeing men himself and been hacked to pieces by British swords or shot to smitereens before surrendering as an adult!

[mdmc]

39. cool

:kick:

[dmallind]

14. These seem about right intuitively

People who make their living taking bets are far more reliable indicators of real chances of candidates than partisans. Taking away all the visceral subjective and personal opinions and look at the real data on things like fundraising abaility, ability to persuade swing voters, ability to get past the primaries, and so on and this one looks about right.

I am a bit surprised (and pleased) to see my guy Bill Richardson that high on the list and equally surprised (but diametrically NOT pleased) to see theo-wingnut Brownback that high. I suspect they are so placed for opposite reasons - Richardson being someone who, if nominated, could use his personality, centrist well-reasoned policy stances, debate skills and excellent resume to win comfortably, but who stands a slim to negligible chance of getting past the much more progressive "purity" minded primary voters. Brownback on the other hand should be the darling of the equally purity minded and equally non-centrist right wing Republican primary voters, but would then have to rely on straight ticket Republican loyalists to win against all but the weakest Dem candidate, since Brownback will look unappealing to most moderate general election voters.

[wisteria]

19. I am not a betting person. But, I wouldn't bet on these odds remaining

the same once the race starts.
Besides, Kerry is my choice and no poll, no personal attacks or media push to sell me the latest model will get me to change my vote.
Of all of the people listed here, Senator Kerry is the one person with all the necessary credentials and resume to lead this country. Perhaps, if he doesn't run, I may consider another candidate, but I can assure you it won't be in the top ten. I vote ability and leadership, along with honesty and ideas.

[mdmc]

24. If not Kerry, how about Gore

They both seem mad qualified to me...

[Nedsdag]

46. Just in case he doesn't get the nomination

Will you be sitting it out in 2008? Just asking.

[wisteria]

25. Where is the link to this lineup? n/t

[Apollo11]

26. Look in Sportsbook - Exotics

Apparently - Presidential politics is an Exotic sport!

http://www.sportsbook.com/sportsbook/livelines.php

[mdmc]

30. I only read it in the wsj

I couldn't find it at the site.
Thanks for the link:kick:

[progressivebydesign]

32. Jeb Bush (Second moron president) n/t

[mdmc]

49. lol

well met

[mnhtnbb]

48. Be reminded that the WSJ editorialized after Nov 2000 that Gore was attempting coup

and I doubt they've ever corrected that since it was Bush/Cheney who seized the office, with the help of the Supremes. Take anything written by WSJ with a grain of salt. They definitely have an agenda.

[mdmc]

53. what about sportsbook.com

they run the numbers...

[xkenx]

55. Since it is WSJ, and RWers want to run against Hillary, why would anyone

give any credence to this stuff?

[mdmc]

56. sportsbook.com

I think the odds are rather apt.