---Senate Foreign Relations Cmte. & Condi THREAD 3 ---

[LSK]

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[dogday]

1. Sununu Is Up

[Hepburn]

4. Asking her about specifics and a time frame...

...suggestions about clarifying this.

Question: Oil law ~~ remarkable? He says, no. Some agreement on investiment and ownership...but not distribution of money.

[LSK]

2. Sununu up - whats his support?

[graywarrior]

3. No clue.

[Hepburn]

7. A Repub....

...but I am not use where he is coming from. Typical Repuke, tho ~~ talking about finances.

[graywarrior]

9. His father was a dipshit.

[Norquist Nemesis]

12. He's sticking his finger in the air at the moment

He checked his calendar and realized there's a campaign coming up for the 2008 election...and he's losing ground quickly.

[Hepburn]

17. My thoughts exactly...

...and applies to most if not all of the Repuke Sens coming up for election in 2008.

[LSK]

5. asking about oil distribution

[Bluerthanblue]

16. pointing out the shallow message given out by admin.

nice title, little substance

[quiet.american]

6. Please vote this baby up so we can find it more easily! :) n/t

[Hepburn]

10. Done. n/t

[quiet.american]

61. Thanks, Hep. n/t

[Norquist Nemesis]

8. LOL! "It's the move 'remarkable law' we've never seen"

:rofl:

[quiet.american]

58. Dupe. n/t

[Blackhatjack]

11. Bold face lie --has not seen oil contracts being pushed on Iraqis

.... no one is buying that one.

[Beelzebud]

13. It's not hard to see how Republicans got the "rubber stamp" nickname.

Every time a Republican gets time, it's back to high-fives and feel-good platitudes.

[Inuca]

27. Not true, be fair

Hagel was extremely harsh, COleman and Lugar had some OK questions, and Sunnunu now is not too bad either. Not the kind of cathartic questions you get from some of the dems, but quite a change. From what I watched the only one that was really vad so far was new boy COrker.

[Hepburn]

14. I *think* I see where he was coming from...

..that the division of the monies can/do further divide the factions. IMO, weak point.

[rodeodance]

15. i am exhausted by watching Russ and Boxer.

[LSK]

20. no kidding, still have Webb coming thou

[Eurobabe]

30. I am exhausted by listening to CondiLiar

She makes my fucking head spin faster than Linda Blair's!!

[rodeodance]

18. saying that no one is telling them about the distrabution of OIL

[Bluerthanblue]

19. Sununu wants to know about a draft- in so many words-

[graywarrior]

21. She can't talk fast enough.

[Cameron27]

22. No kidding lol.

[Beelzebud]

25. She is literally choking on her own poison words. :D

[POAS]

29. her voice is very strained

[Norquist Nemesis]

23. Condi confused

'Where did all of our friends go?' *sniff*

She's not used to having to answer to Congress--especially the same people that rubberstamped them since January 2001!!!

[Hepburn]

24. What???

Does Sunnunu have a ton of oil stock or have a ton of oil interests in NH? WTF with this line of questioning? Trying to distance himself from the WH on a pretty irrelevant subject just to show he is not in step with them?

What gives with this?

And her response is total shit.

[underpants]

31. I thought it was a good specific line of questioning on Arabic speakers

but that is just me.

[Inuca]

53. Oil irrelevant when we talk about Iraq?

Oil revenue distribution is a key divisive issue.

[underpants]

26. Sounds like Sununu is being told NOTHING! again

[LSK]

32. at a million words per minute

:rofl:

[Blackhatjack]

28. Condi is showing just how shallow she is, and will be a 'think tank' denizen when Bush leaves office

THis is the kind of performance that just kills future political aspirations.

For those touting her as 'Presidential Timber'--- I hope you are paying attention as the committee members wield their axes on her future political career.

She is done.

[spinbaby]

33. I just tuned in

Did I miss anything exciting?

[LSK]

45. LOL you better catch the repeat tonite

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=3095104&mesg_id=3095104

[malta blue]

34. NELSON (FL)

pulls support!

[POAS]

42. We have been lied to!

[POAS]

35. Bill Nelson

I cannot support the war any longer

wow wow wow

[shadowknows69]

37. Laying right into her

YES!

[Roxy66]

He is pissed!

[Hepburn]

36. Bill Nelson...

..out of the box...basically calling BushCo a bunch of liars!

Right on!!!!

[dogday]

38. Damn Bill Nelson talking about how we have not

been told the truth.....

[LSK]

39. Ben Nelson: I have not been told the truth

I cannot support this war anymore.

And hes a fucking Dino!!

[malaise]

48. Jumps ship

Amazing they all should have followed us from day one. She's now lying about Abizaid.

[hedda_foil]

86. Ben of NE or Bill of FL??

[Eurobabe]

40. Nelson FL up, I have not been told the truth

the American people have not been told the truth, over and over

[rodeodance]

that was great

[rodeodance]

52. Howard from Au. saying no MORe TROOPS JUST NOW

[underpants]

41. Nelson"I have supported youand the administration on the war but I can no longer

support you on this war"

"I have not been told the truth"

[underpants]

55. 'Does Gen. Abizaid support this surge?" Condi'...no'

[ralps]

43. Yay!! Bill Nelson says he cannot support the war!

:hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :woohoo:

[graywarrior]

47. I'm stunned.

[Tuesday_Morning]

Best thing I ever heard him say!

[underpants]

65. 'I'm sorry that we have come to this point'

"we need an intense diplomatic effort in this region"

"What is the intense diplomatic effort that is going to be taken"

COndi: "I am going out there tomorrow night"

[Norquist Nemesis]

66. Specifically, he said he can't support This Administration

Called them liars!

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

44. Bill Nelson just called her a liar to her face

He can no longer support the war.

Beautiful.

[Bluerthanblue]

46. "I have not been told the truth- the American people have not been told the truth"

[Bluerthanblue]

57. Nelson wants to hear from Abizaid - that he supports this surge-doesn't

trust, or believe rice

[Greeby]

49. When Shrub loses the Nelsons, he loses the Senate nt

[Norquist Nemesis]

50. Nelson: "I have supported you. I no longer support you. YOU LIED"

Said a little more Senatorially, of course.

[Blackhatjack]

51. There it is! "I have not been told the truth..." D-Nelson FLorida

Right there on the table... in front of God and Country.... a former war supporter, cannot support this war any longer.

Oh my, he is calling Condi a liar in a gentlemanly manner.

[Hepburn]

54. Ooooooh....

...the question about WHO suggested this "plan" to BushCo. Something tells me that Nelson has some info that totally conflicts with Condi just said.

Talking about straight story...and now it has changed.

[graywarrior]

56. Holy shit

[Hepburn]

64. Sounds like he is saying that on another committee...

...that he sits on, one of those Generals that said one thing one time ~~ and Nelson thought it was a straight story ~~ is going to get an invite to come back and talk to that committee again.

Just kind of a guess on this.

[POAS]

62. Say isn't lying to congress a crime??

[Norquist Nemesis]

70. Yes, it is. And he said he hasn't been told the truth by "witnesses"

Then with her response about Abizaid, basically he said either she's lying or Abizaid is. He trusts Abizaid.

[tridim]

67. I'm a bit late to the party here.. Is Condiliar under oath?

[rodeodance]

72. I have heard conflicting stories also. One is that Malike gave

this plan to bush way back before the holidays--while he was in Jordon.

[Blackhatjack]

59. Condi just learned lying in front of a Dem Controlled Comm Investigation is diff than Repub Control

THere are no Repub majority representatives to carry her water, and protect her.

THe truth can be difficult to spin when you are obviously lying.

[rodeodance]

76. yeah, very little cover her at this point.

[Nite Owl]

60. I missed the beginning

of the hearing, is Condi under oath?

[Hepburn]

69. Good question....

...I missed this, too.

Anyone know?

[izzybeans]

124. I want to know too. I think I'll ask in a separate thread.

[izzybeans]

133. I started a thread in GD

and am waiting for an answer.

[Nite Owl]

152. Thanks izzybeans

I gave it a kick

[rodeodance]

63. NELSO TALKING OF 'INTENSE DIP EFFORT" THAT

BUSH TALKED OF LAST NIGHT.

[underpants]

68. Condi admits that they have a problem on the Northern border with Turkey

Gen. ______ is taking care of it

[Norquist Nemesis]

74. Shoots down that pesky "Baghdad Problem" n/t

[underpants]

80. 40 minutes ago she was talking about how it wasn't even ALL of Baghdad

which is probably true. there are whole street corners where people don't fear for their lives

[LSK]

71. Voinovich, he will probably reject the plan too

[Eurobabe]

73. Voinovich just got a piece of my mind this afternoon re: * and escalation

[POAS]

77. skeptical??

need a political solution

rather half hearted for a guy that cried over Bolton

[LSK]

82. Hes raising his voice, hes another pissed off Senator

[Blackhatjack]

75. Condi needs a quick change of clothing, and off to the Senate this afternoon

You can imagine what the Senators are going to ask.

I'm thinking she is hoping for an emergency root canal rather than face more of this.

[Connie_Corleone]

79. She's going to be drinking heavily tonight. LOL!

[POAS]

85. She'll be crying on chimpies shoulder

[rosesaylavee]

151. No, just a bit of shoe shopping

and she'll be right as rain.

[rodeodance]

78. ho ho Voinovick is even 'skeptical' about plan

[Eurobabe]

81. Voinovich skeptical, not much faith in Malaki

Political solution. Asked this question for 2 yrs. how can you have a govt. dom. by Shiites? Al Sadr tells Malaki what to do.
We underestimate the hatred between Sunni & Shiites. Unity govt or Theocracy like Iran?

[Hepburn]

83. Voinovich...

....nor sure about this guy on any past info about where he is coming from....

But making some good points ~~ the traditional hatred between the Sunnis and the Shiites.

That, IMO, is the underlying problem and which has been overlooked. They are NOT going to play nice....so what is the solution? IMO, there is NONE.

[rodeodance]

84. saying Brooks says the Plan does not reflect what He wants

done.

brooks nytimes piece today.

[graywarrior]

87. Rewriting the letter to troops parents, Whoa

[shadowknows69]

91. wow is right

Condi you should just hang your head and shut up

[dogday]

88. Damn, I am impressed as hell nt

[DURHAM D]

94. "I bought into his dream" - meaning the Pres. n/t

[rodeodance]

160. the dream has PLUNKED

[LSK]

97. remember this is the guy who held up the Bolton confirmation

[Hepburn]

89. Well....looks like another Repub...

...who does NOT support Bush at this time.

[Eurobabe]

90. Voinovich, I bought into the Presidents dream but it's not gonna happen

[LSK]

92. Hes sounds like he knows we have lost

[shadowknows69]

99. wow, that mand was pretty nearly crying

enlightenment can be painful.

[ClayZ]

118. Doublin' Down on a hard 17

Dumb Dumb Dumb Dumb

[Beelzebud]

93. Wow Voinovich has seen the light! "I went along with the president and bought into his dream..."

"And now I just don't think it's going to happen."

[progressoid]

103. Yeah, and followed by yet another uncomfortable pause.

[graywarrior]

95. She keeps on talkin, but she don't say nothin'.

[Blackhatjack]

96. "We do not have an option to fail in Iraq" --- So the dying must continue w/no change.....

This is an illogical statement that just is not true.

It was not true in Vietnam, and not true in Iraq.

[Beelzebud]

101. Here's the sad part: She needs to realize we have already failed...

We failed the moment we invaded.

[quiet.american]

105. Exactly -- same old meaningless shite! n/t

[babylonsister]

98. Condi: "We don't have an option to fail in Iraq." So what happens when

you admit we failed, Condi? Do you have any flesh and blood invested in this fight?

[Hepburn]

100. WTF???

She does NOT believe that the Sunnis and the Shiites hate each other and cannot live together??? Has she freaking missed the last nearly 4 years in Iraq and overlooked the total history of the area?

I figured her for being smarter than Bush...maybe I figured wrong!

[Cameron27]

104. She's blaming it on Saddam...

they'll get over it.

[babylonsister]

109. Blaming anyone but US, just like her boss. nt

[Justpat]

112. She is as delusional as her boss.

A psychotic, delusional attitude is a requirement for working in
this administration.

She thinks the Shiites and Sunni don't hate each other.

Holy mackerel. What a nut.

[quiet.american]

102. What is Condi smoking? Doesn't think Sunnis and Shiites hate each other...

... to the point where they can't live together? With 40, 50, 60 tortured and murdered bodies being found in Iraq everday? What does it take to get this woman to face reality?

[Blackhatjack]

113. Obviously took the same history lesson Bush took ..... knows nothing...

Sunnis and Shiites will not use the same toilet, and the bodies pile up every day.

And she thinks they do not hate each other?

[Hepburn]

115. A pair of new Ferragamo Shoes??? n/t

[Bluerthanblue]

106. Voinovitch is not on the bush team anylonger... that is crystal clear-

[Hepburn]

122. Yep, totally clear. n/t

[Bluerthanblue]

131. I'm feeling a glimmer of hope. .... eom

[LSK]

107. Obama up

:popcorn:

[graywarrior]

108. Obama!

[Norquist Nemesis]

114. He met with her yesterday in her office

:popcorn:

[Eurobabe]

110. BARACK!!

WOOHOO.

Listen to the Republicans on this committee, it's painful.

[Roxy66]

111. Obama!!

[shadowknows69]

117. gambling metaphors. I love it

n/t

[progressoid]

116. Can't trust that Obama (he's a smoker ya know)

do I have to add this? :sarcasm:

[tishaLA]

119. oh and HE USED COCAINE TOO!!!!!1111

[malaise]

121. I've lost my feed

Damn

[LSK]

128. and he is smoking right now

:popcorn:

[dogday]

He Is Smokin!!!

Oh yeah :applause:

[progressoid]

140. He sure lit a fire under her!!

Go Barak Go!

[Eurobabe]

120. Obama: Administration doubling down

At what point do we say enough? A solution to the problem is always 6 months away.

[ClayZ]

127. Split!

[Blackhatjack]

123. He is reading her words back to her .... hard to spin that

[Hepburn]

130. Nailed her on the six months biz.

Asking GREAT questions....really good ones.

BTW: He has the greatest voice!

[Bluerthanblue]

125. "a solution is always 6mos. away".... Obama calls her out

[LSK]

126. hes picking up where Kerry left off, what do we do in 6 months??

When nothing is better.

[Eurobabe]

129. Obama: assurances that it is going to be different this time

where are these written, can we see them?

[shadowknows69]

132. This is like parents finally having to scold children they've spoiled

Not Obama in general but over all.

[shadowknows69]

134. another freudian marriage reference

n/t

[sinkingfeeling]

136. Hope he asks why they didn't change the plan in the past 4 years when it wasa clear failure?

[Hepburn]

135. Oh, please, Condi:

"We are not going to stay married to a plan that does not work."

So...WTF have you been doing for the last, past nearly 4 years???

[shadowknows69]

137. The oil law is important

I bet it is.

[shadowknows69]

142. Condi needs to break

n/t

[quiet.american]

145. I was wondering if that is what I'd heard her say! n/t

[underpants]

144. Now I'm confused are they for NOT staying the course now?

[LSK]

138. new thread up

[babylonsister]

139. Senator Obama is great, asking all the right questions. Nice to see

him in action.

[quiet.american]

141. Agreed. n/t

[WinkyDink]

143. Yeah, it's all the recalcitrant Iraqis' fault. WHATEVAH, BEE-YOTCH.

Who is this dame up now?

[LSK]

146. mods please lock - new thread up

[Monkeyman]

147. What a bull crap she would not answer one ?

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

148. Osama... er... OBAMA... rawked!

Kickin' ass and takin' names.

:evilgrin:

[Hepburn]

149. Murkowski is echoing Boxer's concerns???

Wow.....talk about stunning!

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

153. It appears that many Republicans heard the voters loud and clear in November. eom

[Blackhatjack]

150. This is Vietnam thinking all over again .... continue same b/c can't afford to lose

What she will not say is that the know, the military knows, and everyone with any competence knows.... Iraq is lost.

There is no winning plan. Nothing she can say will change that.

[annabanana]

154. THREAD 4 HERE:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=3095834&mesg_id=3095834

[rodeodance]

155. see this thread also: (boxer stuff)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x3095339

[rodeodance]

156. Mennesdez--saying We had these benchmarks before with

no consequences

[rodeodance]

157. condi is talking about being flexible

[rodeodance]

158. it is appartent that the Pres has NO plan if this fails.

[rodeodance]

159. oh condi keeps saying she understands. te he

[wakemeupwhenitsover]

161. I'm goin to lock this.

Thread 4 can be found here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x3095834

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