Fascist dictators cannot rule if the people don't show up to run their factories and fight their war

[Dover]

It's really that simple. Not rocket science, and NOT impossible to achieve.

[madeline_con]

1. Except, those people would have to go without paychecks.

That is what is really being asked here.

Most families need 2 incomes...

[Lord Byron]

2. Amen n/t

[Dover]

5. Do you think major change is possible without sacrifice?

It really seems to need to get to the point where the direction of our lives are so miserable that sacrifice is welcomed rather than feared.

There are also ways to prepare for such a stand, so as to be impacted less. And it will require communities to come together to support one another.

[madeline_con]

6. Realistically, though....

people are too busy with their own lives to come togather.


Edited to add:

I'd like to quit consuming and going to work, but I only get paid when I'm at work, I work in the school system, and we just had 3 weeks off.

My semester just started in college, and I have to wait to buy books.

I'm sure there are millions more just like me.

[Dover]

10. I think I AM being realistic. You seem to have the fantasy that your life

will go on uninterrupted or affected by the changes swirling around you. Maybe if you ignore the call for change at the personal level it will just go away...
Who is being delusional?

A broader view of what's coming down NOW and it's affects on YOUR future might just open your eyes.


Maybe not...

[madeline_con]

12. No fantasy here.

I have to eat, pay bills and raise my son.

I can't just stop being a cog in the wheel no matter how lofty the idealism.

I do what I can. I vote the way I should, and I take every opportunity to tell people how they can make a difference. I sign petitons and attend protests.

Quitting my job won't "show them" a damn thing.

You are presuming a great deal about someone you do not know. I wonder if you have kids, bills, a job you need to keep, etc.

[Dover]

11. ..dupe post..

[Deja Q]

3. And that's where offshoring comes in...

:shrug:

And as for everybody dropping what they're doing is impossible to achieve. This scenario was tried out a few months ago by some immigrants (legal and otherwise) who claimed to want to make a point... nobody showed up alright... nobody showed up to protect; most went to work as usual.

[Cleita]

4. Yes, it is but people are reluctant to believe that they have to

do this. I heard a soldier on Randi Rhodes today saying that many in the military are ready to refuse orders to deploy, but they need to have the money to survive and to get the legal counsel they are going to need if they do this.

[Dover]

8. Well if ENOUGH people refuse to serve then the court system is in overload

This is exactly what the neocons did to our government. They overloaded its capacity to function and the people's ability to respond, by throwing everything including the kitchen sink at it from their wish list. They knew the court systems, etc. could not handle it.

Look, people are going to have to suffer some short term misery if we are going to effect change for our children. Granted this country has become so alienated from one another that consensus is difficult. But if it were to start in a few communities then it might become a model and catch on...spreading quickly. It's just a matter of showing people it CAN be done.

[sendero]

7. Yes..

... but when 75% of the country are living from paycheck to paycheck, the company store pretty much owns you no?

[havocmom]

9. Yep

K & R

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

13. Sure.

That's why they shoot people who don't show up at the factories.