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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 04:21 PM
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Can we discuss the privitization deal between Exxon, BP and Conoco?
The Iraqi government is creating a law that will privitize 75% of the oil to be split up between these 3 companies. The agreement is several weeks away. Bush is doing whatever he can to keep the Iraqi government alive til this agreement is signed, then the US can go in and use our soldiers to go in and protect these interests.

The only person I have heard mention it was Representative Watkins yesterday on the House floor. Other than that, nothing in the media except some tiny little blurb on CNN.

Again, this entire crisis is about OIL. OIL OIL OIL. Blood for oil.
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lvx35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 04:24 PM
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1. Yep. This should be on the news much more widely...got good sources?
I would like to fire off an email or two right now.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 04:26 PM
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3. Wish the hell I had some sources. Like I said, no one is talking about it.
I could go into CNN archives and see what I can find. Also, if I could find C-SPAN's transcripts from Watson's speech yesterday, that would be a help. Maybe I'll email her.
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lvx35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 04:29 PM
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4. I believe you 100% ... There are just some tidbits that turn up here and there.
Edited on Fri Jan-12-07 04:33 PM by lvx35
I've heard about it too, but something's really fishy, like its being swept under the carpet in a massive way if its truly happening.....One thing I can find is repeated references to the Iraq Study Group making a recommendation to privatize Iraqi oil. How could we find out if this recommendation is being followed?
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 04:25 PM
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2. I'm surprised there hasn't been discussion on this
It certainly makes sense (from the BushCo perspective) to keep this blasted war going.

Randi has been all over this.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 04:31 PM
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6. I'm glad Randi is talking about it.
Olberman needs to talk about it.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 04:46 PM
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16. Maybe we should mass email him
Including a link to this thread!
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 04:31 PM
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5. Time had an interesting article about it yesterday...
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lvx35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 04:32 PM
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7. Thank you! informative. nt
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 04:38 PM
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12. Whoa, thanks for that. I missed your post,
This info needs to be kicked constantly.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 04:35 PM
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8. Pacifica, Randi Rhodes, and print journalists Greg Palast, Naomi Klein, and Antonia Juhasz do best
work on this. Beyond a handful of others, it is scarcely ever mentioned in American press.
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twilight_sailing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 04:36 PM
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9. links
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 04:49 PM
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18. Thanks!!!! These are some great articles.
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twilight_sailing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 04:53 PM
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21. credit goes to DU
I found them right here. All I did was save them.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 04:54 PM
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22. You are a good saver.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 04:37 PM
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10. K&R
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 04:37 PM
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11. I was just googling the Senate. Only Lugar posted anything
that even had "hydrocarbon law" or "production sharing agreement" in it.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 04:45 PM
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14. See? Makes you wonder if they're all in on it.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 04:45 PM
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13. Precisely. That's what the Surge & Iran threats (in part) are about
Edited on Fri Jan-12-07 04:47 PM by leveymg
Also, there was the consulate seizure incident in Kurdistan yesterday. This is to coerce the Shi'a and Kurds to sign on the dotted-line before the civil war makes any agreement impossible.
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 04:45 PM
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15. Oh No, It's Not About Oil, Or So They Say
Edited on Fri Jan-12-07 04:47 PM by loindelrio

Consider the following statement from Cheney:

From the standpoint of the oil industry obviously - and I'll talk a little later on about gas - for over a hundred years we as an industry have had to deal with the pesky problem that once you find oil and pump it out of the ground you've got to turn around and find more or go out of business. Producing oil is obviously a self-depleting activity. Every year you've got to find and develop reserves equal to your output just to stand still, just to stay even. This is as true for companies as well in the broader economic sense it is for the world. A new merged company like Exxon-Mobil will have to secure over a billion and a half barrels of new oil equivalent reserves every year just to replace existing production. It's like making one hundred per cent interest; discovering another major field of some five hundred million barrels equivalent every four months or finding two Hibernias a year. For the world as a whole, oil companies are expected to keep finding and developing enough oil to offset our seventy one million plus barrel a day of oil depletion, but also to meet new demand. By some estimates there will be an average of two per cent annual growth in global oil demand over the years ahead along with conservatively a three per cent natural decline in production from existing reserves. That means by 2010 we will need on the order of an additional fifty million barrels a day. So where is the oil going to come from? Governments and the national oil companies are obviously in control of about ninety per cent of the assets. Oil remains fundamentally a government business. While many regions of the world often greet oil opportunities, the Middle East with two thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies, even though companies are anxious for greater access there, progress continues to be slow.

- Cheney At London Institute of Petroleum, 1999

Puts a whole new spin on the Cheney 'Energy' task force, doesn't it.

Following is an older article that sums up the motives of ‘Big Oil’ and their Quislings in politics regarding the NOC’s.


Crude Dudes
The Toronto Star
Sep. 20, 2004

http://www.energybulletin.net/2156.html

. . .

Gheit just smiles at the notion that oil wasn't a factor in the U.S. invasion of Iraq. He compares Iraq to Russia, which also has large undeveloped oil reserves. But Russia has nuclear weapons. "We can't just go over and ... occupy (Russian) oil fields," says Gheit. "It's a different ballgame." Iraq, however, was defenceless, utterly lacking, ironically, in weapons of mass destruction. And its location, nestled in between Saudi Arabia and Iran, made it an ideal place for an ongoing military presence, from which the U.S. would be able to control the entire Gulf region. Gheit smiles again: "Think of Iraq as a military base with a very large oil reserve underneath .... You can't ask for better than that."

. . .

One reason that regime change in Iraq was seen as offering significant benefits for Big Oil was that it promised to open up a treasure chest which had long been sealed — private ownership of Middle Eastern oil. A small group of major international oil companies once privately owned the oil industries of the Middle East. But that changed in the 1970s when most Middle Eastern countries (and some elsewhere) nationalized their oil industries. Today, state-owned companies control the vast majority of the world's oil resources. The major international oil companies control a mere 4 per cent.

The majors have clearly prospered in the new era, as developers rather than owners, but there's little doubt that they'd prefer to regain ownership of the oil world's Garden of Eden. "(O)ne of the goals of the oil companies and the Western powers is to weaken and/or privatize the world's state oil companies," observes New York-based economist Michael Tanzer, who advises Third World governments on energy issues.

. . .

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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 04:47 PM
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17. Cheney's SECRET energy meetings. THIS is what they were about.
Edited on Fri Jan-12-07 04:51 PM by in_cog_ni_to
YEP.....it's ALWAYS been about the OIL.

SHAME ON THE MEDIA for not exposing this! Maybe KO will?

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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 04:50 PM
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19. SO WHEN DO OUR ELECTED POLITICANS START TALKING ABOUT THIS?
Edited on Fri Jan-12-07 04:50 PM by graywarrior
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 04:51 PM
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20. I think it means the neocons are back in charge.
The neoconservatives were pushing to privitize oil from the beginning, and now they've got it. Cheney's minions have won.
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Hoping4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 03:59 PM
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23. K & R
Thanks for posting this.
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MN ChimpH8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 04:08 PM
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24. This is starting to gain traction
Lou Dobbs mentioned in in the last few days and asked (1) why US oil companies and the Chimp's administration were writing the Iraqis' laws for them and (2) shouldn't that oil benefit the Iraqis rather than said oil companies.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 04:14 PM
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25. every Dem in congress should be screaming about this
and the enduring bases, and the giant embassy and on and on.....

I guess they can't.


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