Why in the HELL is Boxer being criticized, when Laura isn't?

[Shakespeare]

Laura didn't just point out that Condi is single and childless--she took it a step further and suggested that that made her unfit to be president.

Yet there were no cries of outrage from the press about that. However, Boxer makes reference to Condi's personal life to make a very relevant point (in which she also referenced her OWN private life), and suddenly Boxer said a horrible thing?

Nuh-uh. If you don't go after Laura, then SHUT THE FUCK UP about Boxer.

[The Straight Story]

1. My guess - is that boxer has power

and Laura dosen't.

[Shakespeare]

4. No.

First of all, Laura most certainly has power; it's just a different kind.

She just gets a pass on everything, while the press will jump all over Boxer for any perceived sleight, misstatement, liberal position, etc.

[The Straight Story]

11. One though was elected to power, one fell into it

personally I would prefer our press keep an eye on those we elected more than others (like Laura).

One is drawing a paycheck.

[Shakespeare]

14. But why does that make a difference?

What Laura said was harsh; Boxer was just making a point, and intended no slur (and she also included herself in the point).

[The Straight Story]

19. One is a sock puppet

the other can actually make laws and influence lives. Laura is just the wife of a politician that was put into power, boxer is one directly elected.


And for the record, I like boxer a lot :) I know some have their issues with her, but she knows my wife's family and they have been behind her 100% over the years. Guess I am just biased when it comes to her.

But overall, I can see us holding those we pay and elect more accountable than those like Laura. I could care less what the first lady says, she is just dressing :)

[rosesaylavee]

15. The RW owned media

gives her a pass as its in their best interest to promote all things Rethuglican and denigrate all things Democratic.

[The Straight Story]

22. I won't disagree with that really

But if it were up to me I would just as well not cover first lady's as much anyway. They weren't elected to do anything, and don't have the vote to change much.

[rosesaylavee]

37. That is true but

as his spouse, she has more power and more influence on him than anyone else in the world. First spouses will always get attention just for that, I think.

[JI7]

44. so why did they go after Kerry's wife ?

and we all know how they went after HIllary the time she was first lady.

i don't buy that power stuff.

[Generic Brad]

45. They hate women who are neither rabid or fertile.

How's that for a wild generalization?

[YDogg]

2. because republican assholes have no shame

[mondo joe]

3. There was plenty said about Laura being very catty about that remark.

On DU we mostly poked fun because it was between two nasties, Laura and Rice.

[Shakespeare]

7. No, not in the same way.

With Laura, the most outrage it generated was "oooh, I can't believe she said that!"

<gasp> <giggle> <titter>

But they're BLASTING Boxer.

[nosmokes]

5. bbbut laura bint is the first lady. it wouldn't be seemly to call her out.

that evil left wing media... just where the hell is it anyhoo?

[YellowRubberDuckie]

6. Also, if you listen to the footage...

She says the same damn thing about herself. The only reason they're freaking out is because she's right.
Duckie

[Warpy]

8. Because she's a Democrat

and secondarily, because she isn't chained to a kitchen stove, baking cookies and making her grandchildren morbidly obese.

It's political bias and a backlash at successful women all wrapped up into one bigoted and sexist package.

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

40. B I N G O - Note my screen name

nm

[xultar]

9. Laura - Rethug idiot. Barbara Boxer - Powerful Democrat.

[orpupilofnature57]

10. Kkkarl works for Laura , Barbara works for people ,Condi is single minded

ameba and a token women in her present position, thats the truth.

[AndyA]

12. It's one of those Republican things. I call it hypocrisy.

It's OK for them to do it, say it, and get away with it.

But let a Democratic person do the exact same thing, and they go ape sh!t crazy about it.

They're all hypocrits. They do worse things every day, and nothing is ever said about it. But let a Dem do something the GOP can spin, and look out!

They are all bottom rung human life, capable of caring only about themselves and their interests. Not much depth to them, just shallow waste.

[Robbien]

13. I like it. I'd rather have the media bleating about obvious trumped up stuff

It means they've got diddlysquat on Boxer.

[fishwax]

16. didn't laura say she thought condi would be a good candidate for president

She said that being single and childless made her uninterested rather than unfit.

But that said, the manufactured outrage against Boxer is total BS. This is what the right wing does--they manufacture an avalanche of tiny little outrages. Same deal as the "day off for a football game" crap we heard earlier this week. They did it all through the campaign last year and against kerry in '04. It's all BS.

Boxer said: “Who pays the price? I’m not going to pay a personal price. My kids are too old and my grandchild is too young. You’re not going to pay a particular price, as I understand it, with an immediate family. So who pays the price? The American military and their families.” There's no jab at her childlessness, unless Boxer said something else that I missed entirely.

[Shakespeare]

18. Said she'd make a good candidate EXCEPT that she's childless...

...has no husband, etc.....and went on to say that you really couldn't run for president without the support of an immediate family. The subtext to what Laura said was vicious, and she completely got away with it. Boxer's comments were harmless.

[fishwax]

38. I agree that Boxer's comments were harmless and that Laura's--not so much n/t

[azurnoir]

36. The thugs are desperate

Boxer did not mention Rice did not have children she said immediate family which could be other then children. Condi basically got her a** handed to her and they need a distraction.

[blm]

17. GOPs didn't buy up control over all that media in the 80s and 90s to report the truth.

The corpmedia is THEIR world - a world where Murtha attacked troops, Kerry insulted troops, Boxer insulted single women. Completely ignoring the facts that all 3 have been top advocates for decades for the people they reportedly attacked and insulted.

[Mabus]

20. It's the liberal media bias

which actually means there is a media bias against liberals.

[malaise]

21. Great point n/t

[July]

23. And why is pointing out Condi's lack of children considered an insult?

That's the implication -- "don't say it out loud and remind her she's not a real woman." What kind of BS is that in this day and age?

I see absolutely nothing wrong with pointing out that it's easy for chickenhawks and people without loved ones in the service to send other people's kids to die. And Boxer even pointed out that she wouldn't be directly affected, either. I can't believe anyone's still falling for their "we'll tell you what you mean" crap.

[jgraz]

24. Because Condi got her ASS kicked yesterday and the cons are desperate for a distraction

The Boxer thing is complete bullshit. These slugs are grasping at straws.

[cassiepriam]

25. Silly goose, Repugs can do anything, Dems cannot sneeze without demonizing them.

[Hosnon]

26. Crucify me if need be but the fact that Laura did something that is

wrong (which I believe Boxer's statement/implication was) does not mean that Boxer doing the same thing is right (or not wrong).

I hit conservatives with this a lot. The fact that both X and Y are wrong, and X is not criticized, does not mean that Y is no longer wrong.

Edit: Before the crucification begins in full force, my knowledge of what was said is limited. I heard she implied that because Condi has no children means she can't speak on what is best for kids (basically). If I am wrong, please, correct me.

[Shakespeare]

27. How is what Boxer said wrong?

She was including herself in that little point, too.

[Hosnon]

28. I edited my post...I probably need clarification on this subject.

But assuming that Boxer implied that those without children cannot speak as to what is best for children , she is, in my opinion, wrong.

[Shakespeare]

30. No, she was speaking specifically about personal loss.

First she pointed out that she (Boxer) couldn't possibly understand loss on that level, because she's not in a position to suffer the loss of a child (her children too old to serve, grandchildren too young to serve), and then made the same observation about Condi--mentioning no immediate family almost as an aside.

[Hosnon]

31. Ah...thanks. Am I wrong or is there still a little implied jab at Condi for

choosing not to have children yet?

I'm not a fan of passive-aggressive attacks (like when Edwards - or was it Kerry? - said, to paraphrase: "Well, as we all now, the Vice President has a lesbian daughter..."

I don't respect that and I get the feeling that was what Boxer did. If not, mea culpa...

[Shakespeare]

33. Having seen the clip of Boxer 4 or 5 times now...

...I honestly--really honestly--didn't get that impression watching her. Condi began to intone with the usual bullshit about how we all feel the loss, blah blah blah, and Boxer stopped her short and basically said, "No, I won't be in a position to experience that, and neither will you, so shut the fuck up about how much you 'feel' for the soldiers and their families."

[Hosnon]

35. I've not seen the actual video so I'll defer to your interpretation. nt.

[Cha]

29. Because that's our Fucking corporatemedia

whores for ya. That's who we're doing major battles with.

[DURHAM D]

32. I just called Boxer's office to voice my support.

Call one of the California offices - the D.C. office is closed. Do it tonight.

The staff member thanked me for my support. He sounded very tired. Give Senator Boxer support going into the weekend.

[ninkasi]

34. Good point

I asked the same question on another thread. I believe that Laura's remarks were meant to be insulting.

[SammyWinstonJack]

39. Because she's Pickles?

:shrug:

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

41. Because the hopeless, hapless thugs are looking for anything they can spin

The truth is not their friend, as Senator Boxer demonstrated with the Rice monster.

[bridgit]

42. i don't get it either, Hon, i think it's our myopic-season of the cannibal...

regarding a host of issues this among them :(

[Ladyinblack]

43. I have felt outraged

However, I keep thinking keep your eye on the ball. This is what they want. It takes our attention away from the incompetence, the lies, what is going on in Iraq and what about Iran, and the I am scared my president is mentally ill etc.

[bridgit]

47. welcome to du, Ladyinblack...

:hi:

[EC]

46. because they are deflecting with Boxer

from military deaths ordered by chicken hawks...

[cap]

48. Laura was playing "Nice Nasties" when Boxer was being serious

ergo, Boxer wasnt being "Nice".

[Roland99]

49. Because there's a "D" after Boxer's name.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

50. More Bogus RW BS

Remember Kerry's joke that got twisted into something that served their political agenda? Just another one of those. Senator Boxer has NOTHING to apologize for ... she simply stated a FACT.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-young/fox-news-has-its-finger-o_b_38569.html

Here be Boxer's sin. With Rice appearing before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Boxer said, "Who pays the price? I'm not going to pay a personal price. My kids are too old, and my grandchild is too young," to serve, Boxer told Rice. "You're not going to pay a price, as I understand it, within immediate family. So who pays the price? The American military and their families.''

Rice said that the questioning might have gotten "a little too personal." Too personal? We're talking about the President's decision to send more American sons and daughters into a battle; a decision that 70% of America disagrees with. How can any question, no matter how you frame it, be too personal?


*edited for formatting error

[salin]

51. I read another reference to something Mrs. Bush said about

Condi - but didn't the reference - what did she say and in what context? Sounds catty.