Am I alone in Not Supporting Pro-War Dems????

[BayCityProgressive]

okay, so I get it. Now that the war is unpopular all the Dems oppose it. This didn't stop them from voting for it though. If we DUers knew more about foreign policy than all these Dems that voted for the war, maybe we should be occupying their seats because it sure doesn't make me feel very safe knowing there is this much collective stupidity in our congress. I will support people like Feingold and Kucinich who are economically and militarily anti-imperialist. I will not support the rest. I do not support dems who advocate overthrowing foreign governments or strangling them economically. The onyl difference I see between neoliberals and neoconservatives is that neoliberals think that they should throw a few table scraps to workers here to keep us pacified while they exploit the rest of the world. Neoconservatives just want to fuck everyone over.

[illinoisprogressive]

1. I'm supporting Senator Obama and he was against the war in 2002.

he said it was a dumb war and we shouldn't be fighting dumb wars. It was at an antiwar rally in Chicago.

[BayCityProgressive]

2. Good.

as long as he doesnt war monger or threaten towards Venezuela, Iran, Syria, China, Cuba ect in the next 2 yrs I could support him. I really would like to see the unjust Cuba policies revoked.

[Lex]

3. There are Dems whose thinking on the war has evolved over time.

Just like JFK's did on the war with Vietnam.

I wouldn't support any Dem who still hasn't been able to see how wrong it has been.



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[BayCityProgressive]

4. I question that though

are they really "evolving" or are they just seeing that to further their careers that is what they need to say? Or have they decided US companies made as much as they need to so now it's okay to leave? Also, I didn't have to "evolve" to knwo this war was disasterous. So why shouldn't I just run? I obviously have a more firm grasp on the world than these elected officials who have to see thousands murdered before they "evolve".

[Lex]

9. The people who were in office and had to vote one way or the other

on the war were in a more serious situation than anyone else who didn't have constituents to answer to.

I marched against the war in protest before it started because I thought it was wrong, but I also wasn't in the same situation as others were at the time either.

I don't count myself as smarter or more wonderfully aware than they because I can't equate our two places.

Right now you'll see John Edwards say way more radical things than Obama--but that is because Obama is in office now and Edwards isn't. That does make a difference.

Just like when Obama wasn't in office and Edwards was.


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[BayCityProgressive]

11. I disagree

they had even more resources to show them that this was a fraudulent war. If colonialists have no problem telling their constituents exactly what their plans are than the party that I support shouldn't either. That is why I am not a Democrat. I vote Democrat most of the time but if I am ever stuck deciding between a colonialist Dem and a colonialist Rep. I will vote Green or independant no questions asked.

[Lex]

12. Not me. I'm capable of seeing more complexities

in what happened then.

I don't just divide up the world into black and white, although I know that way of thinking is satisfying to some.

For example, I voted for Kerry in 2004 even though I did know he voted for the IWR.


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[BayCityProgressive]

15. please enlighten me then

what are the complexities. I am able to be pragmatic on lots of issues. But not when it comes to destroying other coutnries. Sorry. I also voted for Kerry trying to be pragmatic and I won't do it again. Tell me, if we had resources here on this very website showing us that the logic for the war was baseless, how did our house and senate not have that info? Perhaps we should be their staffers? I will not give them a pass for the sake of Dem unity. Sorry, guess I am not "complex" enough.

[frankenforpres]

19. evolving with the polls disgusts me.

i want a leader, not some chump whose going to screw me then say sorry.

[BayCityProgressive]

20. its

tried true and tested with Dems. We put up with CLinton for 8 years of NAFTA, Welfare Reform,De-regulation, Anti-gay laws ect why wouldn't we do it agin in the eyes of the DLC? They still think they can shove another corporatist down our throats.

[Wilms]

5. Your not alone in not supporting them. * doesn't support them, either. He uses them.

[Dancing_Dave]

6. No, you are not alone!

The majority of grass-roots Democrats opposed the war since before the U.S. Government started it, and will not vote for any Democrat in the primaries who does not have solid anti-war credentials.

If the race came down to Hillary Clinton vs. Chuck Hagel, I would vote Republican for the first time in my life. The issue is VERY important, and we all should regard it as decisive.

[BayCityProgressive]

8. The bottom line is

anyone who voted for the war is not against imperialism. They are just in disagreement on how to carry it out.

[bajamary]

7. Al Gore opposed the war

My hope is that Al Gore will run for President in 08. He was and is against this war. Furthermore, he spoke out often against it. There are some great speeches he made.

I can't wait to read his next book: "The Assault on Reason."

I think the press will begin to look at Gore as a viable presidential candidate then.

I'd love to see the 08 ticket be Gore/Obama

[lligrd]

10. Not Alone

I am finding it extremely difficult to forgive the candidates who voted to give the chimp the authority to do as he pleased. I was a Dean supporter last time and I really wish Gore would agree to run.

[cool user name]

13. Neo-liberal=multilateral, Neo-conservative=unilateral

[Smarmie Doofus]

14. No. It's the *defining* issue, seems to me.

How they voted on IWR tells loads about them politically and psychologically.

Remember: only a minority of House DEMS voted for IWR.

And 22 Senate DEMS opposed it.

Everyone knew what was going on... or should have.

Voting for IWR reflects a *profound* flaw. It reflects poor judgement and/or a disturbed and inaccurrate worldview.

[BayCityProgressive]

16. or a corporate world view.

[illinoisprogressive]

21. My other senator, Dick Durbin, voted against it.

As i said earlier, senator Obama spoke out against it but, was in the state senate then. Dick Durbin, as whip in the US Senate, voted against.

[Pithy Cherub]

17. It is a huge issue for me

and speaks to judgment and courage at the most critical juntures of decision making. Do overs are not grounds to make somebody president when their impaired judgment is already proven. The mistakes were deadly.

[peace13]

18. I guess I am simple minded.

If I knew that war is not the answer how did our elected officials not know that? I think blackmail was involved in some of the votes for the war. That is why they voted for this immoral war. The planet was put in jeopardy by selfish individuals, too afraid to stand up for what is right. My vote will be for someone who did not endorse this horrible mess. Peace on earth, Kim

[roody]

22. Me too. Thanks for articulating it.

[magellan]

23. You're not alone

Slim pickins out there. Kucinich is the only one I can say I have solid respect for anymore. Feingold also has my support. To hell with the imperialists, the ignorant, and the politically expedient.

[OutNow]

24. Dennis Kucinich

Dennis will get my money and my vote. Unless Bernie Sanders runs of course. :-}

Bring the troops home now!

[Doc_Technical]

25. As far as I'm concerned, anyone who voted for the IWR..

..commited an unforgivable act.

Any talk of a Democrat supporting the idea of continuing this war reminds me of the

Mensheviks in 1917 Russia, after they deposed the Tsar, decided to continue to

fight in World War I even though they were losing badly, and the military was

falling apart.

[Clarkie1]

26. My choices are limited to Clark, Obama, or Gore depending on who runs. nt

[frogcycle]

27. agreed

except i am afraid obama would get clobbered

i am warming to Feingold a little.

not much else to pick from - anywhere