Throughout all of history, idiots will blame Democrats for 'losing' the war.

[Philosoraptor]

I know they will, cause they are STILL doing it over the Vietnam war, to this day, many idiots refuse to admit or even believe that the Vietnam war was a disaster, not a victory, not even a decent defeat, just a fucking disaster, and that's where we are again.

The truth is, this isn't a war at all, but an occupation. You can't 'win' or 'lose' a disaster, it just happens, you either live through it or you die, like with Katrina in New Orleans, you're on your own in this world.

They'll say for the next 50 years that WE dropped the ball, WE failed to make the hail Mary pass, WE didn't give the troops the tools they needed to fight, WE didn't let them fight, WE didn't support them back home, bla bla bla bla, whatever rush says.

They'll always see it as a football game that our team lost because of the cowardly, irresponsible Democrats, they'll always look sadly to the big scoreboard in the sky and they'll be bitter, because they'll always see it as a game, that WE lost. THEY started the game, THEY lost, now THEY are looking to blame anyone but themselves.

We need to find a way to cure the curse of rampant idiocy in America if we are ever to survive.

[tavalon]

1. We need to get rid of media consolidation and bring back the fairness doctrine

That alone won't cure the hopeless idiots but it will ameliorate the situation somewhat. Only the diehard idiots will remain and with those one must just hope that they volunteer for a Darwin Award.

[monarch]

2. Excellent formulation of the problem!

"You can't 'win' or 'lose' a disaster"

[aquart]

3. Here's a thought: ignore the idiots.

They thought a war of aggression was a noble cause. Nuh uh. Guess what? Winning a war of aggression is evil. So what they want is evil.

You don't have to let them frame the debate. NEVER let them frame the debate.

[tsuki]

4. Well, my message for the past 3 years is that this war was lost

when the cabal fired Shinseki for telling them the truth. This loss is owned by the chickenhawks.

[tecelote]

5. Then maybe we should win the war.

For all of the money we have spent on this war, the average Iraqi has seen none of it. They have lost power and water, their schools and their community. Maybe if they had been involved in the rebuilding, things would be different.

For the reconstruction, we use US companies that hire Americans for management and then go worldwide for the very cheapest labor they can find.

Maybe if we had put Iraqis in charge and then hired Iraqi employees, they would get a sense of involvement and see improvements to their lives and to their communities.

This would not end the religious war but it might quell it enough to allow for a livable situation.

Instead, they see American corruption and incompetence. War profiteering seems to be our priority.

[Philosoraptor]

6. There is no war.

That's a myth. The only real war is Iraq's civil war, and we can't fix that.

[tecelote]

7. Yeah, best to profit off of it then.

If anyone is confused by the Bush Administration's actions in this war, stop looking at it like we are at war. Look at it from a business viewpoint.

Surge = Higher War Profits

This war is about shifting the wealth of America.

[Philosoraptor]

8. & we don't even get 'profit sharing'

At least in ancient Rome, the citizens got to share the booty of war.

[tecelote]

9. Now there's an idea we could support!

If we all got a share of the loot, we too could drop our damned morals and ethics.

Why, if I could make over $250,000 a year, I'd switch and become a Republican immediately. Death and carnage mean little while sipping Martinis on a Yacht.

[Philosoraptor]

10. The insane one percent gets all the fun.

[sweetheart]

11. the iraq war has always been a tar baby

The only reason i recall for bush to invade iraq was to destroy the neocons.

It was always obviously a bridge too far, where the iraqi people are fighting the
american civil war for americans who are too lazy too. As is often the case with
outsourcing, the foreign labour is doing a suprisingly good job at fighting against
bush's slavery state... much better than the americans they replaced.

But the war is lost, not for iraq, but as the world has realized strategically
that the USA is no longer indispensible, but rather to be defended against and
dealt with at arms length for fear of its terrorism and corruption.

The cure is to disempower american corporatism by shifting all unnecessary economics
out of the dollar to non-terrorist currencies.

[tecelote]

13. Good Point!

"The cure is to disempower american corporatism by shifting all unnecessary economics
out of the dollar to non-terrorist currencies."

Hmmm... We can't use the Euro, can't use the Yen, the Yuan is out...

Hah! I know, we could use the Looney!

[tecelote]

14. Seriously though, you have a good point.

There have been a few points here that are real problems for the US.

America was considered the only real world superpower.

Yet now, we have shown the world our underbelly. Militarily and financially, we are now a bad bet. High risk, at the very least. We are not what we used to be ten years ago.

What If oil is no longer traded in dollars and financial markets are no longer set against the dollar?

[sweetheart]

15. a slow slide

The dollar could half in value by the time bush is out... the economic miracle of rote keptocracy
and criminal war does wonders for the bank account.

What was once the world's principal reserve currency is now a questionable store of value,
undermined by deep structural problems that will take forever to fix, structural problems like
700 bases and a very expensive global-dominance-mistress to ditch.

I hope working people get their cash funds out of dollars in to gold or commodity/property
of some sort, as otherwise it will inflate out from under them and with a quick inflationary
fiddle, the entire middle class is decimated just like during the weimar republic.

[PSPS]

12. I see this stated all the time, but I don't believe it.

There's always this discussion about the democrats being "blamed for losing the war." I don't believe it.

At this late stage, virtually everyone realizes that this is a travesty foisted upon us by a criminal cabal. No matter how or when it stops, it will always be bush's illegal war of choice, done primarily to hijack iraq's oil. The passage of time isn't going to change that perception. In fact, assuming we are able to successfully get through this nightmare, facts will begin to emerge that will only reinforce this understanding.

Frankly, I think the US will begin to carry a lot of collective guilt the same way Germans did in Hitler's aftermath.

[cassiepriam]

16. We have to expose the socipathic lies and blame game.

There has to be more exposure of the criminal activities
and soiciopathy rampant in the white house.