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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-14-07 06:16 PM
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I think I would like Walter Jones to finish Shrub's term
I've said a couple times before that I don't want a Democrat to have to finish out Bush's term of office. I like Nancy Pelosi, and she'd make a good president, but whoever gets installed if we ever remove Shrub from office will not be elected in 2008. (I know this because whoever takes Bush's place is going to have to do a lot of drastic things, right now, and those will kill any chance that person has of being elected.) Besides, "crisis management," which is what any caretaker president would be doing for the next couple of years, is not a nice thing to dump on that lady.

Besides, if we run off Bush and Cheney a t the same time, or refuse to approve Bush's/Cheney's choice for vice president (depending on who gets removed first) and Speaker Pelosi is installed as president, every rightwinger with a microphone or a camera operator is going to call it a coup, a power grab, or whatever.

This means we've got to have a Republican ready to take Bush's place, and I choose Walter Jones--Republican of North Carolina. He's proven to be a reliable antiwar/pro-pullout voice. Walter Jones also wrote the War Crimes Act of 1996, so I believe he takes a narrow view on Bush's method of extracting information from prisoners. He's got a not-horrible environmental viewpoint. And he's popular in his district, so we could pull him to the White House for a couple of years, let him shut down Bush's war and throw the cabal in jail, and once his term was up his constituents would give him his old job back.

He's also apologized for the Freedom Fries horseshit he pulled a while back.

We've got to have a Republican caretaker president, and Jones appears to be the safest choice.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-14-07 06:19 PM
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1. I'd go for a safe GOP caretaker,
if we can get both Bush and Cheney to resign, and for the reasons you stated. I hadn't heard of Jones before, but I like what you wrote about him.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-14-07 06:19 PM
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2. I think Hagel would be a good choice...n/t
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-15-07 09:32 AM
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9. Oh FUCK no. He's one of the main reasons we're where we are.
Chuck Hagel, Repuke of Nebraska, was CEO of Election Systems and Software, a manufacturer of paperless voting equipment, before he was elected to the Senate. Hagel ran for a seat that hadn't had a Republican sitting in it since, IIRC, Reconstruction...and he won by a landslide...and the votes were counted by equipment he made.

And in case you're wondering, Diebold election equipment runs on Hagel's software.

He needs to be elected to six years in a sheetmetal shop making tin cups for his fellow inmates to beat against the bars of their cells when they get pissed off, not installed in the White House to finish Shrub's reign of error.
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-14-07 06:21 PM
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3. What about Lincoln Chafee?
He is a moderate too, but was defeated in the past election.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-14-07 06:22 PM
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4. That's an interesting choice
Perhaps he could be this era's Jerry Ford.

But I don't see how he ends up as President. How does that work? He'd have to be appointed Vice-President first, meaning Cheney and Bush would have to resign or be impeached.
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-15-07 10:18 AM
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13. Here's how it works
We're all in agreement that both Shrub and Cheney need to go away, and Cheney needs to go first.

It's a three-step process.

Step One is to get sixteen or seventeen Senate Republicans angry enough to vote to convict in the Senate. There are 48 of them over there now. Twenty-one are up for election in 2008; another nineteen in 2010. That's 40, and of those 40 there have to be 17 who like their seats more than they like The Little Fuehrer. Mitch McConnell wouldn't like it very much if some nice Democrat ran a double-truck ad in every newspaper in Kentucky the day before the election that contained the names and photos of every member of the 101st Airborne Division who died in Iraq after he voted to acquit Shrub. Elizabeth Dole wouldn't survive in NC if we did the same thing with members of the 82nd Airborne, nor would John Cornyn with Fort Hood-based KIAs. Senators may like Shrub, but they like being senators more.

Step Two is for the Senior Republicans we speak about, ones like the men who ran Nixon off, to have a little chat with Bush. They need to tell him that he's been good for the nation (a lie, but they're going to have to lie a lot here) and that they appreciate everything he's done to fight terrorism (another lie), but...well, George, you've turned into Benito Mussolini (a half-truth; they can't really mention who he's turned into because you KNOW Bush has no idea who Nicolae Ceaucescu was) and we just can't have that. (Here starts the unvarnished truth.) You've been in office for six and a half years. In that time, your policies have bankrupted the nation. You started a civil war in Iraq that has killed 3500 American soldiers plus a couple thousand American citizens on the battlefield, that has caused about twice that many to die of wounds and that has left tens of thousands of them permanently crippled. You promised to capture Osama bin Laden and then you forgot all about him. You destroyed the Permanent Republican Majority in Congress, and the blogosphere is debating as to whether shooting, hanging or hara-kiri is the proper punishment for you. Plus, there are thirty Republican senators--REPUBLICAN! senators--who are willing to cross party lines, right now, and vote to throw you out of office. George, you can't be president any longer. You don't even like this job. You might remember that in 1974, senior Republicans had a talk with President Nixon that was kind of like this one. They promised him that if he chose Gerald Ford as his vice president and then resigned for the good of the country, he'd be pardoned. We can't pardon you. You've committed too many crimes, and some of them are capital offenses. Yes, George, that's right. Some of the things you have done qualify you for the death penalty. We don't really want to execute you, but we will if we have to. George, here's a tissue. It's going to be okay. Stop your crying and we'll get you an ice cream. Now look. We can't pardon you and you can't resign, but if you choose Representative Walter Jones as Vice President Cheney's replacement, we'll be sure to only impeach you on a few charges and then bring you up on criminal charges only on crimes that aren't capital. You committed so many crimes, we can find a few things that won't cost you your life. You'll lose your pension, the fines will take everything you have, and you won't ever be allowed to sit on a corporate board or work with securities, but we promise you that if you do everything exactly the way we tell you, you won't get more than ten years in prison, and we can get you a job as shift manager of a barbecue joint in Memphis. You won't be rich anymore, but you'll be comfortable.

And Step Three is for Bush to be impeached and removed.

Et voila! Walter Jones as president.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-15-07 01:35 PM
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20. Based on your story, I'm ready to jump on the Walter Jones bandwagon
You had me at the Ceaucescu reference.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-14-07 06:23 PM
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5. please tell me this isn't the *now* war critic - but earlier France basher
who banned the term "french fries" to be replaced with "freedom fries" in the House dining room? That was far too reactionary - so rw pandering to fear-mongering and xenophobic for my taste.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-14-07 07:58 PM
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6. Oh he paid for that. . . He also requested that it be dropped. .
He also offered up some public mea culpas for it. He's not a bad choice.
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Momgonepostal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-14-07 08:41 PM
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7. He gave an interview to Mother Jones Magazine...
and was on the cover of one of their issues about a year ago or so.

He's done a MAJOR about face, on the war, and on the Bush administration.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-15-07 12:11 AM
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8. if he had the courage as a GOPer to talk to Mother Jones (let alone be
a cover story), than I have to be a little more fair and give the man a second glance. Everyone on the Hill knows Mother Jones has a very progressive audience (and thus the tone of interviews will be progressive slants on issues), if he had the courage (in the DeLay years) to speak with Mother Jones, than he can't be all bad.
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Momgonepostal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-15-07 10:53 AM
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17. He's still a republican, but...
I have to give him credit for admitting he was wrong. He seems like a good person, overall.

Here's the article: http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2006/01/the_three_conversions_of_walter_b_jones.html

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NCarolinawoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-15-07 09:57 AM
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11. He also stood up at the House Armed Services's Committee and demanded to Richard Perle's face
that he and his cohorts apologize to the military families who lost loved ones in the Iraq War. He demanded that the Neocons admit to the lies that they told.

That is far better than the behavior of many of the Democrats, who if they did say they were sorry, seemed to wait for ever. Of course, some still haven't confronted the Neocons.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-15-07 12:30 PM
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18. any chance he could be enticed to take on Dole for her senate seat?
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-15-07 09:38 AM
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10. anybody excepting anyone in the *cabal would be fine with me
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-15-07 10:29 AM
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14. If you believe the urban legend, they already have
Apparently, the reason they changed the name of that company from "Kentucky Fried Chicken" to "KFC" is that some evil scientist at their headquarters invented a new animal that tastes like chicken, has skin like a chicken--no feathers, but skin like a chicken's--but has no wings, no backs, no gizzard, liver or heart, six drumsticks and six breasts. This strange animal was invented because the most popular pieces of KFC's chicken are breasts and drumsticks, so obviously they'd want to get as many as they could. But since there's a law that states what a chicken is and this thing ain't it, they can't legally say they sell chicken anymore.

The fact that KFC changed its name to KFC because its headquarters is not in Kentucky, a lot of what they sell isn't fried and everyone called it KFC even when they had "Kentucky Fried Chicken" written on the sign is beside the point. They're selling mutant chicken-flavored beasts (that, of course, have to be connectedto a machine to survive because it's hard to do that with no internal organs) and not real chickens so that's obviously why they changed the name.

Well...that's what the e-mail I got yesterday said.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-15-07 10:45 AM
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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-15-07 10:31 AM
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15. How about Gerald Ford
ooops, can't do that again, can we?
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More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-15-07 12:39 PM
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19. Walter Jones would allow ministers to make endorsements from the pulpit
Edited on Mon Jan-15-07 12:40 PM by Heaven and Earth
and keep their tax-exempt status.

Protesters also said they oppose a bill introduced by U.S. Rep. Walter Jones, R-3rd Dist., that the congressman says will allow clergymen to speak out on moral issues and restore freedom of speech to the pulpit.

Opponents counter the bill would allow churches to endorse candidates for office and engage in partisan activities.

In an interview before the banquet began, Jones called the protesters "evil people" for opposing his bill or its aim to allow ministers to speak freely on morality. "They are so fearful of traditional, conservative religion in America. These people are bad for the future of America."


http://www.newbernsj.com/SiteProcessor.cfm?Template=/GlobalTemplates/Details.cfm&StoryID=17545&Section=Local

Also: http://au-oc.org/campaign_from_pulpit.htm third press release down.

He is not our friend, despite being on our side on one issue.
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