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greenbriar
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Sun Jan-14-07 08:33 PM Original message |
about the duke lacrosse case...they put themselves in this situation |
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bigwillq
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Sun Jan-14-07 08:35 PM Response to Original message |
1. So if you drink and mingle with strippers |
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greenbriar
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Sun Jan-14-07 08:38 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. NO>>>I am saying they are not innocent of everything and something happened |
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bigwillq
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Sun Jan-14-07 08:41 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. I haven't really followed the case. |
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murray hill farm
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Sun Jan-14-07 09:03 PM Response to Reply #3 |
37. What u are saying sounds a lot like... |
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HooptieWagon
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Sun Jan-14-07 10:10 PM Response to Reply #37 |
64. You are correct |
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BoneDaddy
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Mon Jan-15-07 09:19 AM Response to Reply #37 |
178. Agreed |
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Totallybushed
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Sun Jan-14-07 09:12 PM Response to Reply #3 |
39. What happened is |
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WorseBeforeBetter
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Sun Jan-14-07 09:17 PM Response to Reply #3 |
44. "The girl" lied. That doesn't "aggravate" you? (n/t) |
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greenbriar
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Sun Jan-14-07 09:19 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. yea it does |
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Totallybushed
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Sun Jan-14-07 11:02 PM Response to Reply #46 |
95. Which side aggravates |
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pnwmom
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Sun Jan-14-07 10:39 PM Response to Reply #3 |
74. What evidence do you have that they were guilty of ANYTHING |
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Donald Ian Rankin
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Mon Jan-15-07 08:04 AM Response to Reply #3 |
174. You're aggravated that people think making a false allegation of rape is serious? |
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WorseBeforeBetter
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Sun Jan-14-07 08:37 PM Response to Original message |
2. No one believes those young men are saints... |
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greenbriar
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Sun Jan-14-07 08:39 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. true...I think there was wrong doing on BOTH sides |
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WorseBeforeBetter
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Sun Jan-14-07 08:50 PM Response to Reply #4 |
18. Agreed, but think if it were your son. What would your reaction be? |
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SharonRB
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Sun Jan-14-07 08:53 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. I have no doubt she lied |
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WorseBeforeBetter
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Sun Jan-14-07 08:57 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. 60 Minutes segment is on now. |
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SharonRB
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Sun Jan-14-07 08:58 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. I agree |
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Totallybushed
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Sun Jan-14-07 09:16 PM Response to Reply #18 |
42. Shame on her, |
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WorseBeforeBetter
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Sun Jan-14-07 09:28 PM Response to Reply #42 |
50. No argument here. |
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Pale Blue Dot
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Sun Jan-14-07 09:30 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. Sigh. "What did she expect - she was performing at a house of primarily lily white drunken Duke boy |
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WorseBeforeBetter
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Sun Jan-14-07 10:57 PM Response to Reply #52 |
87. What I see is that there is plenty of poor judgment... |
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Totallybushed
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Sun Jan-14-07 11:00 PM Response to Reply #87 |
92. Plenty of poor judgment, true, but |
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WorseBeforeBetter
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Sun Jan-14-07 11:26 PM Response to Reply #92 |
110. I dunno... |
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Totallybushed
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Sun Jan-14-07 11:30 PM Response to Reply #110 |
112. Why? |
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pnwmom
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Mon Jan-15-07 12:22 AM Response to Reply #110 |
119. Did you know that they didn't intend for black women to perform for them? |
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JacksonWest
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Mon Jan-15-07 09:01 AM Response to Reply #52 |
176. If you're an escort(not a stripper) it seems like racist comments |
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Totallybushed
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Mon Jan-15-07 11:29 AM Response to Reply #176 |
181. Her life is going |
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JacksonWest
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Mon Jan-15-07 12:06 PM Response to Reply #181 |
187. She won't go to the state pen. |
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Totallybushed
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Mon Jan-15-07 12:29 PM Response to Reply #187 |
188. She is in trouble. |
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Totallybushed
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Sun Jan-14-07 09:37 PM Response to Reply #50 |
54. I'm not judging |
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pnwmom
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Sun Jan-14-07 10:46 PM Response to Reply #50 |
79. Here's a possibility concerning her motivation. |
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Totallybushed
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Sun Jan-14-07 11:01 PM Response to Reply #79 |
94. If anything, that |
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WorseBeforeBetter
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Sun Jan-14-07 11:04 PM Response to Reply #79 |
97. The plot thickens. |
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pnwmom
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Mon Jan-15-07 12:35 AM Response to Reply #97 |
124. I think Nifong had her between a rock and a hard place. |
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deadmessengers
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Sun Jan-14-07 10:08 PM Response to Reply #18 |
63. if?! |
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WorseBeforeBetter
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Sun Jan-14-07 10:24 PM Response to Reply #63 |
67. But we haven't "seen" all. Yes, she lied and should be held accountable... |
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pnwmom
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Sun Jan-14-07 10:49 PM Response to Reply #67 |
80. N.C. laws requires all of the prosecution evidence to have been turned over |
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WorseBeforeBetter
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Sun Jan-14-07 11:03 PM Response to Reply #80 |
96. So the case is now with the AG? What next? |
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pnwmom
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Mon Jan-15-07 12:58 AM Response to Reply #96 |
131. The AG has passed the case on to special prosecutors. |
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Manifestor_of_Light
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Mon Jan-15-07 03:48 AM Response to Reply #80 |
169. Nifong should get his license yanked |
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Totallybushed
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Sun Jan-14-07 11:05 PM Response to Reply #67 |
98. Maybe, let's just assume, |
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pnwmom
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Mon Jan-15-07 01:00 AM Response to Reply #98 |
132. Exactly. In the unlikely event that the students WERE guilty of |
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mondo joe
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Sun Jan-14-07 10:27 PM Response to Reply #4 |
69. "Wrong doing"? Do you mean morally wrong or criminally wrong? |
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pnwmom
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Sun Jan-14-07 10:42 PM Response to Reply #4 |
75. Where is your evidence for wrongdoing other than underage drinking? |
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JacksonWest
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Mon Jan-15-07 11:26 AM Response to Reply #4 |
180. One side isn't trying to get the other sent to prison for crimes they didn't commit, expelled from |
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hughee99
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Sun Jan-14-07 08:39 PM Response to Original message |
5. So what your saying was that they were ASKING FOR IT? n/t |
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greenbriar
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Sun Jan-14-07 08:40 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. NO...I am saying you put yourself in situations, you should expect |
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DawgHouse
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Sun Jan-14-07 08:54 PM Response to Reply #6 |
23. Or, where there is smoke, there's mirrors. |
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hughee99
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Sun Jan-14-07 09:03 PM Response to Reply #6 |
36. Putting yourself in a bad situation, though... |
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Totallybushed
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Sun Jan-14-07 09:18 PM Response to Reply #6 |
45. Nonsense. |
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mondo joe
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Sun Jan-14-07 10:44 PM Response to Reply #6 |
78. Your thread is vomit worthy. It just is. |
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pnwmom
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Mon Jan-15-07 01:02 AM Response to Reply #6 |
133. This is exactly why we have the right to a fair trial. |
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Pale Blue Dot
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Sun Jan-14-07 08:42 PM Response to Original message |
8. This is the same crap that's often spewed about women who are raped |
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greenbriar
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Sun Jan-14-07 08:46 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. as a woman, the implications from this case scare me |
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Solo_in_MD
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Sun Jan-14-07 08:51 PM Response to Reply #11 |
19. At this time they are not charged with rape |
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Pale Blue Dot
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Sun Jan-14-07 08:52 PM Response to Reply #11 |
21. Then as a woman, you should understand why your statement is so dangerous. |
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Totallybushed
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Sun Jan-14-07 09:23 PM Response to Reply #11 |
48. What implications? |
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pnwmom
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Sun Jan-14-07 10:50 PM Response to Reply #11 |
82. Maybe you should be pissed off at the woman for making the |
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mondo joe
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Sun Jan-14-07 10:54 PM Response to Reply #11 |
84. As a citizen I'm pissed at your willingness to blame people who may not have |
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WindRavenX
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Sun Jan-14-07 08:49 PM Response to Reply #8 |
17. you got it |
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genie_weenie
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Sun Jan-14-07 08:46 PM Response to Original message |
9. Wow! |
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PsN2Wind
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Sun Jan-14-07 08:46 PM Response to Original message |
10. And if she were so innocent |
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greenbriar
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Sun Jan-14-07 08:47 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. as I said...there is wrong on both sides |
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Totallybushed
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Sun Jan-14-07 09:25 PM Response to Reply #13 |
49. Maybe women should |
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TankLV
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Sun Jan-14-07 08:46 PM Response to Original message |
12. Agree only in the sense that we are all responsible for our own choices |
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greenbriar
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Sun Jan-14-07 08:48 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. thats what I have been trying to say |
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Occulus
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Mon Jan-15-07 03:26 AM Response to Reply #12 |
168. Huh??? |
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tularetom
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Sun Jan-14-07 08:47 PM Response to Original message |
14. I have really mixed feelings about this case |
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Marrah_G
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Sun Jan-14-07 10:29 PM Response to Reply #14 |
71. Disgusting |
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pnwmom
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Sun Jan-14-07 10:53 PM Response to Reply #14 |
83. Suppose it was your brother and not someone you already |
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frankenforpres
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Mon Jan-15-07 01:59 AM Response to Reply #14 |
165. cmon, look at them?????????????? |
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Hippo_Tron
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Mon Jan-15-07 04:05 AM Response to Reply #14 |
172. How do you know their political affiliation? |
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Solo_in_MD
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Sun Jan-14-07 08:48 PM Response to Original message |
15. How about the one that has been proved not to be present? |
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genie_weenie
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Sun Jan-14-07 08:55 PM Response to Reply #15 |
26. As the thread stated: |
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Solo_in_MD
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Sun Jan-14-07 08:59 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. He was elsewhere when the purported events took place |
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genie_weenie
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Sun Jan-14-07 09:01 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Sorry, my attempt at sardonic humor failed |
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pnwmom
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Mon Jan-15-07 12:45 AM Response to Reply #31 |
127. Sigh. In the latest, December edition, of the accuser's claims, |
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Totallybushed
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Sun Jan-14-07 09:28 PM Response to Reply #26 |
51. Golly, |
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Kingshakabobo
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Sun Jan-14-07 08:51 PM Response to Original message |
20. Nothing like blaming the victims. |
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greenbriar
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Sun Jan-14-07 08:54 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. I am not blaming them |
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Kingshakabobo
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Sun Jan-14-07 09:02 PM Response to Reply #25 |
34. I hope you are watching 60 minutes |
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EvolveOrConvolve
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Sun Jan-14-07 09:03 PM Response to Reply #25 |
35. You're not blaming them? |
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Totallybushed
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Sun Jan-14-07 09:32 PM Response to Reply #25 |
53. You are blaming these men |
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mondo joe
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Sun Jan-14-07 10:29 PM Response to Reply #25 |
70. The fuck you're not. The presence of strippers does not indicate that they did anything |
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pnwmom
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Sun Jan-14-07 10:55 PM Response to Reply #70 |
85. Don't you wonder where all this Puritanism is coming from? |
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mondo joe
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Sun Jan-14-07 10:56 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. The ugly puritanical streak I've seen on DU the last few weeks makes me think |
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pnwmom
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Sun Jan-14-07 10:57 PM Response to Reply #25 |
88. If they were "church believing boys" they wouldn't have had strippers? |
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WorseBeforeBetter
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Sun Jan-14-07 11:14 PM Response to Reply #88 |
102. Amen! (n/t) |
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Totallybushed
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Sun Jan-14-07 11:10 PM Response to Reply #25 |
100. If not being |
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mainegreen
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Sun Jan-14-07 08:54 PM Response to Original message |
24. Oh bullshit. Strippers are not immoral. It's a very old profession. Drinking has been around forever |
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Hippo_Tron
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Mon Jan-15-07 04:11 AM Response to Reply #24 |
173. It's the same thing is the christian right judging other peoples' morality |
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Lex
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Sun Jan-14-07 08:58 PM Response to Original message |
29. . . . I think all involved are lying in one way or another. |
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greenbriar
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Sun Jan-14-07 08:59 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. true |
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pnwmom
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Sun Jan-14-07 10:59 PM Original message |
The weird email was NOT from any of the accused students. |
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Lex
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Sun Jan-14-07 11:47 PM Response to Original message |
114. It was from a LAX guy who was there that night so presumably witnessed |
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pnwmom
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Mon Jan-15-07 12:14 AM Response to Reply #114 |
117. He was a student who took a course that included a discussion |
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Catherine Vincent
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Sun Jan-14-07 09:01 PM Response to Original message |
32. Strippers should stay away from frat parties. |
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Totallybushed
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Sun Jan-14-07 09:10 PM Response to Original message |
38. Gee, how liberal. |
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Lex
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Sun Jan-14-07 09:14 PM Response to Original message |
40. "Thank your grandpa for my cotton shirt" they yelled at the black stripper. |
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pnwmom
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Sun Jan-14-07 11:01 PM Response to Reply #40 |
93. On the first 60 minutes show a few months ago, the 2nd dancer admitted |
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Jacobin
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Sun Jan-14-07 09:15 PM Response to Original message |
41. Isn't that kinda like blaming a woman wearing provocative |
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greenbriar
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Sun Jan-14-07 09:16 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. NOOOOOOOOOOO |
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Lex
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Sun Jan-14-07 09:19 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. It's weird they told the escort service they were Duke baseball |
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Buzz Clik
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Sun Jan-14-07 09:50 PM Response to Reply #47 |
58. You ever know many lacrosse players? |
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NashVegas
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Sun Jan-14-07 10:59 PM Response to Reply #58 |
89. No One Ever Knows a Rapist |
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NashVegas
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Sun Jan-14-07 11:00 PM Response to Reply #47 |
91. I Agree It's Perplexing |
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Totallybushed
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Sun Jan-14-07 11:17 PM Response to Reply #91 |
105. Act guilty? |
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pnwmom
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Mon Jan-15-07 12:55 AM Response to Reply #105 |
130. They acted guilty by looking so |
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Totallybushed
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Mon Jan-15-07 09:02 AM Response to Reply #130 |
177. No kidding! n/t |
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pnwmom
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Mon Jan-15-07 12:47 AM Response to Reply #47 |
128. IF they did that (do you have evidence), it might have been a joke. |
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Totallybushed
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Sun Jan-14-07 09:39 PM Response to Reply #43 |
55. You can't expalin at all |
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Buzz Clik
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Sun Jan-14-07 09:52 PM Response to Reply #55 |
60. You are correct, but it goes way beyond political. |
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Totallybushed
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Sun Jan-14-07 10:59 PM Response to Reply #60 |
90. Nifong, yes. |
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Buzz Clik
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Sun Jan-14-07 09:47 PM Response to Reply #41 |
57. That is precisely what the opening post suggests. |
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Buzz Clik
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Sun Jan-14-07 09:46 PM Response to Original message |
56. Here's one for you from my family. You judge: |
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pnwmom
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Mon Jan-15-07 12:52 AM Response to Reply #56 |
129. Thank you, Buzz Clik. Your account puts things into perspective |
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Catherine Vincent
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Sun Jan-14-07 09:51 PM Response to Original message |
59. Did you guys see that picture of the two strippers at the party |
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pnwmom
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Mon Jan-15-07 01:04 AM Response to Reply #59 |
134. The students looked like they were half asleep, to me. |
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Catherine Vincent
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Mon Jan-15-07 02:25 AM Response to Reply #134 |
166. I didn't really pay attention to the guys in the background. |
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pnwmom
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Mon Jan-15-07 03:57 AM Response to Reply #166 |
171. No, but it supposedly occurred right afterwards. |
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minkyboodle
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Sun Jan-14-07 10:05 PM Response to Original message |
61. My View, Some choice assholes got railroaded |
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greenbriar
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Sun Jan-14-07 10:08 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. Thank you |
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Pavulon
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Sun Jan-14-07 10:44 PM Response to Reply #61 |
77. Have you ever stepped foot |
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minkyboodle
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Sun Jan-14-07 11:07 PM Response to Reply #77 |
99. I have been to the triangle before |
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Totallybushed
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Sun Jan-14-07 11:21 PM Response to Reply #99 |
106. You should however |
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pnwmom
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Mon Jan-15-07 01:07 AM Response to Reply #99 |
135. You're saying that you are more of a raging a-hole if you're |
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minkyboodle
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Mon Jan-15-07 01:23 AM Response to Reply #135 |
143. well... |
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pnwmom
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Mon Jan-15-07 01:30 AM Response to Reply #143 |
147. You do know that Seligmann spent most of the time at the party |
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minkyboodle
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Mon Jan-15-07 01:58 AM Response to Reply #147 |
164. conceeded |
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pnwmom
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Mon Jan-15-07 03:56 AM Response to Reply #164 |
170. And I'll concede that |
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Totallybushed
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Mon Jan-15-07 11:33 AM Response to Reply #164 |
182. But the case isn't |
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Pavulon
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Mon Jan-15-07 09:34 AM Response to Reply #99 |
179. Yes they are idiots |
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Totallybushed
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Sun Jan-14-07 11:15 PM Response to Reply #61 |
103. Sounds like |
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minkyboodle
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Sun Jan-14-07 11:22 PM Response to Reply #103 |
107. well thats not how I feel |
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Totallybushed
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Sun Jan-14-07 11:26 PM Response to Reply #107 |
111. And you don't |
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minkyboodle
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Mon Jan-15-07 12:25 AM Response to Reply #111 |
121. Listen |
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Totallybushed
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Mon Jan-15-07 08:49 AM Response to Reply #121 |
175. Unfortunately, you're right. |
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pnwmom
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Mon Jan-15-07 01:11 AM Response to Reply #107 |
136. Did you know these guys personally? I don't, and that's why |
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pnwmom
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Mon Jan-15-07 12:20 AM Response to Reply #61 |
118. You do realize that they never tried to hire a black stripper, don't you? |
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minkyboodle
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Mon Jan-15-07 12:39 AM Response to Reply #118 |
126. OK |
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pnwmom
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Mon Jan-15-07 01:13 AM Response to Reply #126 |
137. I disagree. If Nifong gets off with a slap on the wrist, that will |
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Mon Jan-15-07 01:33 AM Response to Reply #137 |
148. If he gets off with a slap on the wrist I will be very angry |
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Mon Jan-15-07 01:43 AM Response to Reply #148 |
156. We agree on that then. |
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Mon Jan-15-07 11:34 AM Response to Reply #61 |
183. They're all assholes who got railroaded |
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Sun Jan-14-07 10:10 PM Response to Original message |
65. How are dancers and alcohol not innocent? |
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Sun Jan-14-07 10:23 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. correction |
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Sun Jan-14-07 10:50 PM Response to Reply #66 |
81. I really don't know the particulars of the case at Duke |
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Mon Jan-15-07 01:16 AM Response to Reply #66 |
139. You keep repeating your claim that the accused students |
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Sun Jan-14-07 10:26 PM Response to Original message |
68. Fuck that. "Criminal" isn't fuzzy. Drinking isn't criminal, nor are strippers. Rape is. |
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Sun Jan-14-07 10:32 PM Response to Original message |
72. What nobody has mentioned is the MEDIA FRENZY that has fucked this case up from the get go.... |
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Sun Jan-14-07 11:23 PM Response to Reply #72 |
108. The media |
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Sun Jan-14-07 10:35 PM Response to Original message |
73. You're right. Something happened. |
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Sun Jan-14-07 10:42 PM Response to Original message |
76. As It Stands Right Now, Those Boys Are Completely Innocent. |
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Sun Jan-14-07 11:13 PM Response to Reply #76 |
101. I agree |
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Sun Jan-14-07 11:17 PM Response to Reply #101 |
104. Would you be singing the same tune... |
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Sun Jan-14-07 11:25 PM Response to Reply #104 |
109. my family wouldn't throw that party |
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Sun Jan-14-07 11:54 PM Response to Reply #109 |
116. I wish you luck then if you or anyone in your family is ever... |
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Mon Jan-15-07 01:20 AM Response to Reply #109 |
140. But the worst these students did is to have been in the SAME ROOM |
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Sun Jan-14-07 11:34 PM Response to Reply #101 |
113. More deserving of sympathy and outrage??? |
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Sun Jan-14-07 11:51 PM Response to Original message |
115. Prove it - |
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Mon Jan-15-07 12:23 AM Response to Original message |
120. Hope the prosecutor is bankrupted by this |
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Mon Jan-15-07 12:25 AM Response to Reply #120 |
122. I wouldn't hold my breath on that last part....... |
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Mon Jan-15-07 12:28 AM Response to Reply #122 |
123. It's unfortunate that a "black leader" never stood up for their rights |
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Mon Jan-15-07 01:23 AM Response to Reply #123 |
142. The accused students did NOT make that comment, but there is a hero |
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Mon Jan-15-07 12:38 AM Response to Original message |
125. I suppose neither you, nor anyone you love, |
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Mon Jan-15-07 01:15 AM Response to Original message |
138. Let me ask everyone something? Who gives a shit about these jock assholes? |
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Lex
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Mon Jan-15-07 01:21 AM Response to Reply #138 |
141. They sure weren't out protesting the surge with me here in Durham |
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Mon Jan-15-07 01:27 AM Response to Reply #141 |
145. I think they have a concern a little closer to home, don't you? |
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Mon Jan-15-07 01:33 AM Response to Reply #145 |
149. The lack of Duke students at all at any protest here has been disappointing. |
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Mon Jan-15-07 01:36 AM Response to Reply #149 |
151. I would be disappointed about that, too. |
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Mon Jan-15-07 01:42 AM Response to Reply #151 |
154. LOL |
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Mon Jan-15-07 01:47 AM Response to Reply #154 |
158. Thanks, minkyboodle. |
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Mon Jan-15-07 11:38 AM Response to Reply #149 |
186. I gotta tell ya, |
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Mon Jan-15-07 01:25 AM Response to Reply #138 |
144. I do. If we're ready to condemn them on the basis of their |
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Mon Jan-15-07 01:29 AM Response to Reply #138 |
146. I like it better in the original NeoConese: Who gives a fuck about those Muslim Terrorists |
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Mon Jan-15-07 01:36 AM Response to Reply #146 |
150. Cmon.... |
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Mon Jan-15-07 01:38 AM Response to Reply #150 |
153. If these students hadn't been able to put up the huge amount of bail, |
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Mon Jan-15-07 01:50 AM Response to Reply #153 |
159. but they did |
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Mon Jan-15-07 01:54 AM Response to Reply #159 |
162. What is your contempt for the accused boys based on specifically? |
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Mon Jan-15-07 01:42 AM Response to Reply #150 |
155. Is that what it takes to have a problem with it? You're setting a pretty low fucking |
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Mon Jan-15-07 01:37 AM Response to Reply #146 |
152. Don't people here say "Who gives a fuck about this blonde girl |
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Mon Jan-15-07 01:46 AM Response to Reply #152 |
157. thats what I'm trying to hit on |
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Mon Jan-15-07 01:53 AM Response to Reply #152 |
160. I knew this case was hot gas from the moment go... |
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Mon Jan-15-07 01:53 AM Response to Reply #152 |
161. But that's the whole point. Prosecutors like Nifong are an even |
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Mon Jan-15-07 01:56 AM Response to Reply #152 |
163. I'm not ready to limit my problem with injustice based on skin color. |
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Mon Jan-15-07 11:36 AM Response to Reply #138 |
184. Me, for one. |
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Mon Jan-15-07 01:01 PM Response to Reply #138 |
190. Who DOESN'T care about abuses of authority |
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Mon Jan-15-07 02:39 AM Response to Original message |
167. BULLSHIT |
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Mon Jan-15-07 11:36 AM Response to Original message |
185. For the life of me I can't figure out why this case is a Left vs. Right issue. |
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Mon Jan-15-07 01:00 PM Response to Original message |
189. "She shouldn't have been a stripper." "She shouldn't |
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Mon Jan-15-07 01:21 PM Response to Original message |
191. locking...... |
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