My father was a "womanizer". So was Bill Clinton. And LBJ. And Capt. Kirk.

[CatWoman]

So fucking what?

Does that make me love my father less? Respect Bill Clinton less? Make me not want to watch Star Trek?

No.

again, so fucking what?

[SharonRB]

1. Shatner must be getting typecast

Denny Crain is quite the womanizer on "Boston Legal."

[Cleita]

73. I don't know. The way he looks now, I would have to be really

drunk. As a matter-of-fact, he didn't even appeal to me back in the original Star Trek.

[SharonRB]

76. I'll have to agree with you on both counts

I've never been attracted to him.

[CatWoman]

81. hey!!!

leave the Shat alone!!!! :)

I think he's still cute :)

[Mandate My Ass]

2. Captain Kirk? My hero?

had feet of clay...Oh the HUMANITY! :cry:

[Bluebear]

3. Yes, various people told me that about your father.

:hi:

[CatWoman]

4. LOL

Papa was a rolling stone

:hi:

[EFerrari]

22. lol

:rofl:

[Jacobin]

5. Conflating people's personal lives with their political talents

is a recent RW phenomenon that is utterly useless and silly, unless you want to, say, go after a very popular and successful democratic president who served in the 1990's or say go after a historically significant African American leader, or....well you get the picture

[MADem]

17. And the GOP will be the FIRST to use that argument, when it comes to

Jeb Bush, Newt Gingrich, Bob Livingstone, Rush Limpballs, Brit Hume, Strom Thurmond, and so on....!!!!

They forget it, though, when they're going after political opponents.

[omega minimo]

6. Starting another thread on this drags him through the mud some more

[CatWoman]

10. I'm sorry you feel that way

as that was not my intention.

[Bluebear]

13. I take it as a thread of outrage and support for Dr. King. nt

[Swamp Rat]

15. I agree with Catwoman and Bluebear

Just sayin'. ;) :hug:

[omega minimo]

25. Is this the RW meme for MLK Day and the bone for GD to growl over instead of honor?

Just askin.' :hi:

First thing I saw at Top of Page on GD was a thread "just askin'" if MLK was a womanizer....... :sad:

Then this one.... so I must be out-of-the-loop. Some asshole started this (RW talking head?) and now GD has to bounce it around over and over and over...........

We can't let it drop and focus on the honor?

I saw Catwoman's other thread honoring MLK and mean no disrespect to her.

[Swamp Rat]

31. I don't know

I just got back to the USA. :shrug:

Looks like everything is still fucked up here... I wish I was still abroad. :(

[omega minimo]

50. Hey! Who are you calling a "broad"?

:hug: :spray: Welcome back to Bushworld, SR. :loveya:

[Swamp Rat]

51. LOL!!!

:rofl: I had a sex change in Spain... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[stevedeshazer]

65. Me too

:) :)

[omega minimo]

67. That's fine. And this "Don't think of an Elephant" thread tops GD threads on MLK Day

like the other one did when I first opened DU. Does it still? I can't see it...

Is it too idealistic too think the page and our thoughts could be honoring MLK rather than arguing over more bullshit?

[stevedeshazer]

68. Who's arguing?

I'm not.

[omega minimo]

70. Who's paying attention to the bullshit rather than honoring the man's legacy on a national holiday?

We are :hi:

The "arguing" I referred to was b/w this thread and the one it is a reaction to.
Someone downthread posted that it's a great "counter-post" to that bullshit thread.

You are being argumentative by not only thinking this is about you somehow, but missing the point of my post you replied to-- and the question I asked.


Bullshit wins. Idealism walks.




RIP Martin.

[Bluebear]

79. You'll never win.

:hi:

[Alamom]

7. Mine was too when he was young. My Mom found out, threatened

to kill him in his sleep and we lived happily ever after.

He was a good man and a great dad all my life.
He was forgiven, by my Mom, for sowing wild oats decades ago and she never regretted it.
They had been married 45 years when he died.

It happens and it's between the 2 people involved. NO ONE ELSE!

[physioex]

12. I completely agree.....

But if you are fundie that is the worst sin you could commit. Kill thousands of innocent civilians so what, get a BJ then it is the ultimate sin..... :wtf:

[Sequoia]

14. Two people plus 1.....the other woman/man.

[malaise]

18. So was mine

after we were all grown up, but my mother adored him for almost 40 years and the way she spoke about him after his death we laughingly asked her if she wanted to contact the pope to have him canonized.:D He was a very good dad and I loved both of them. That's life. These issues are only raised to denigrate achievers.

[charlyvi]

8. So were JFK, FDR and Ike

Seems like the hormonal/testosterone/whatever drive that makes one want to be President can't exactly be squelched in one's personal life, yes?

[Hardrada]

23. And Warren G. Harding

[charlyvi]

42. And George W Bush

George W. Bush, Republican president, accused in a criminal complaint and lawsuit of raping Margie Schoedinger, who was later suicided. Accused by Tammy Phillips, a former stripper quoted in the National Enquirer in 2000 saying she had an affair with Bush that had ended in 1999. Also noted by Mrs. Blount whom G.W.BUSH while campaigning for her Husband Red Blount and while G.W.BUSH was possibly A.W.O.L from the Air National Guard at age 26 he was all over their 14 year old daughter.


http://www.dkosopedia.com/wiki/Republican_Sex_Scandals

[Hardrada]

61. And George H.W. Bush

who had a mistress for years. Check Kitty Kelly's book on the Dynasty.

[MichiganVote]

9. Bill Clinton's choices in regard to sex in the "oral " office

didn't result in greater respect from me for him as a public servant. Just sayin'.

[WI_DEM]

11. And so were most of the Rat Pack

Sinatra, Dino and Sammy. Not to mention FDR and probably Ike with his WWII driver.

[DavidDvorkin]

16. And I always wanted to be one

But I didn't have the right personality for it.

Sob.

[terrya]

19. We're...um, what's the word....oh, right..."human"

We're human beings with human failings.

On a day when we're celebrating the life of one of the greatest Americans ever, a man who is indeed one of our country's heroes, it sort of pales into insignificance, actually.

Right you are...so fucking what.

Great post, btw. :-)

[southernleftylady]

20. Bush NEEDS a blow job to release some of that agression and ..

shit yall know how much i cant stand that man i would volunteer...
who cares what they do and who they do it too in their private lives???

[EFerrari]

21. My dad, too. So fucking what? That was between him and his wife

and his maker/ess.

What does that mean, really? It means that in one area of your life, you're letting you and a few others in for some hurt. It's not a public concern -- like election fraud or torture or targeted assasination or illegally spying on Americans or letting a city drown or lying a nation into a fake war, for example.

[Swamp Rat]

28. Yeah. What is worse?

A blowjob by an intern or an illegal war that killed 3,000 Americans and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis?

[EFerrari]

33. The comparison makes me

:crazy:

Hiya, Swampy!

:hi:

[Swamp Rat]

35. Way'at dawlin'!

:hi: :hug:

[Glorfindel]

24. Great men have great appetites, as I've always maintained

My father was, too (a womanizer). :hi:

[Hardrada]

26. So was Nelson Rockefeller (Rockefeeler I almost wrote)

but he was greatly chastised for it.

[Gabi Hayes]

30. did you know that Happy happily cremated him within 18 hours of his death?

they didn't want an ME to show that he'd orgasmed his way into Valhalla.

she wasn't to happy that Megan Marshak, the woman underneath whom he expired (not really.....she let him lay there, still alive for some time, while she called a friend, with whom she ruminated over the best course of action) got the deed to the townhouse in which he'd set her up

think I'm making it up?

check it out. it's a fun story

[charlyvi]

39. Holy Shit! I did not know that! n/t

[mdmc]

27. Bill Clinton betrayed our trust

:shrug:

In theory, Hillary, Chelsea, and Monica deserved better.

[Missy M]

58. I would leave Monica out of the theory....

as the old saying goes "it takes two to tango".

[mdmc]

71. true

yet she held his fate in her hands. If she had cried "sexual predator" to the media, he would have been finished. It really took alot of courage to stand by her man. I'm sure she would have been well paid for any betrayal she was willing to indulge in .

[Missy M]

82. From what I read about what happened.....

I don't think he was the "predator", he was the trophy.

[mdmc]

83. yet, all she would have had to do is take a GOP payoff

and say "sexual predator." That would have been the end. In fact, Hillary or Chelsea also had the power to bring him down. Imagine if bush had this flaw?

[Solo_in_MD]

29. You are missing a major point about it...POSH rules in the executive branch

If a supervisor in the executive branch of the Federal Gov even *thought* that way about an intern working for them, they would be run out of civil service without a pension. Every year the executive branch including the DoD go though mandatory training on ethics and prevention of sexual harrassment (POSH) . Its hard to lead effectively when you ignore the rules you are responsible for enforcing. That is why doing a Whitehouse intern was just not "private behavior". It would have been much eaiser for all concerned had it been someone outside the government.

IIRC, Kirk never romanced a suborndiate.

[Czolgosz]

32. Even Jimmy Carter admittedly looked on women with lust and committed adultery in his heart.

If you demand perfect chastity in all arenas of a public figure's life, you are disqualifying the overwhelming majority of public servants for their private inclinations. You know where that gets you?

[terrya]

36. Yep...people like him and Santorum.

Oh, YEAH...just what we need more of in elective office....more Rick Santorums! :eyes:

[callous taoboy]

34. So was Barney Fife....

always trying to get Juanita over at the diner to go up to the duck pond...

[EFerrari]

37. No! Not Barney!

:rofl:

[zippy890]

38. really, good counter-post to the other one dissing MLK

today of all days.

thanks catwoman

[H2O Man]

40. "King was not only a great

and honorable citizen and a noble leader: he was also, like other distinguished leaders, a passionate man. This was well known to his close associates and did not disturb them. Some white friends explained it in psychological terms as an unconscious attempt to prove himself as virile as his father. Black friends stressed the importance of machismo, the affirmation of masculinity, among subjugated peoples; they recalled the historic obligations of evangelical preachers in the south to the women of the congregation. In any case, as one told me, 'Martin really believed in the gospel of love'.Those who worked with King accepted this as an expression of both a cultural tradition and a demonstrative temperament."
-- Robert Kennedy and his times; Arthur Schlesinger, Jr; 1978; page 389

[omega minimo]

46. Wow, that's a lot of syllables

with ideas and sentences n' stuff.......................................

Thank you for bringing that to the discussion.

What I would like to know is why "we" have to grab at every shiny bit of bullshit that the RW haters throw into the mix and make THAT our discussion? I don't know where it came from today, but GD gobsmacked me with it at first check in on MLK Day

We don't have to take the bait.

Just sayin.'

[H2O Man]

54. One of the most

important things for us to remember is that we do not have to make any excuses for Martin. He was a great man. Part of the greatness was his participating in being human. A proper study of Martin includes not only his wonderful channeling of the universal force, but also his wrestling with being human. He lived an often painful life, dealing with depression as a youth, and suffering in ways that few people realize. Yet he went to the mountaintop.

That mountaintop is humanity.

[omega minimo]

57. Remember that enough to not take the bait

I have that dream :thumbsup:

[CatWoman]

47. you never fail to enrich the mind

and the conversation at hand!!

:hi:

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

41. MI may not be the best state to "womanize" in ...

after an article in today's paper ...

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070115/COL04/701150333

:wtf:

[blm]

43. I don't disrespect Bill for dropping his pants - didn't scold Kerry for dropping a pronoun

But, I do disrespect Bill Clinton for letting Poppy Bush off the hook on all the outstanding matters of IranContra, BCCI, Iraqgate and CIA drugrunning.

When it comes down to it, Clinton disrespected US and the constitution for a 'bi-partisanship' that never materialized.

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html

[Rex]

44. Umm...Capt. Kirk was NOT a womanizer!

He was a flat out dog! :evilgrin:

[CatWoman]

45. LOL

He was an "equal opportunity slut" :)

[Rex]

55. Now Picard...THERE was a womanizer!

They didn't call him 'Smooth Hand Luc' fer nothin! :hi:

[EFerrari]

52. Lol!

[Warren DeMontague]

48. I disagree.

It should be capitalized all the way through: "So Fucking What".

Other than that, you're absolutely right.

[NNN0LHI]

49. So was I when I was lucky enough to find a woman to womanize with

Heh, them days are long gone.

Don

[EFerrari]

53. Don't whistle 'til you're outta the woods.

lol

[PassingFair]

56. My father was not a womanizer. I WOULD have loved him LESS

if he had hurt my mother with infidelities.

If my mother didn't care, I wouldn't care.

Guess what, my mother CARED. So did my dad.

So fucking what?

[Hardrada]

59. Good for them!

[Gormy Cuss]

60. I hate the term 'womanizer' because it sounds like a guy's winning some game

There is no equivalent term for a woman who acts the same way. As to what difference it makes, when the action affects you directly, like when a parent's sleeping around causes a hostile or unsafe environment in your home, then it may matter a great deal and as a child you do have the right to withhold some of your respect and even love if you choose to react that way. You can choose not to do so too.

As for people who aren't directly affecting you, IMO it's almost always none of our business to comment on it. It's certainly inappropriate to harp on such behavior at times when celebration of the person's life is undertaken. That holds true not just for someone like MLK whose lifetime achievements are grand enough to be celebrated on holiday but for others who deserve a moment of silence at their deaths. Their public weaknesses and errors as well as their private lifes are more the domain of biographers.

[Auggie]

62. Charlie Sheen too

[Jackpine Radical]

63. Shouldn't that be

"So fucking whom?"

[liberal renegade]

64. IMHO, if the Good Lord made anything

better than a woman he would have kept it for himself. I love all women and I blame it on him for making me that way....

[seabeyond]

66. it may make me respect a person less. yes. does it denigrate a greatness

they have accomplished seperate of this activity, no. but no... i do not respect a person hurting another. and i imagine this womanizing hurt the wives, possibly the children.

[dorkulon]

69. oh noes, I've been womanized!

[Cleita]

72. Angie Dickenson once said on a late night show, can't

remember if it was Johnny or who, that all men stray. She learned that the hard way. I was sort of young then and was shocked that anyone would stray from anyone as beautiful, talented and seemingly nice as she was. I felt that I didn't have a chance in hell and then I really came to the conclusion that I would cross that bridge when I came to it.

If my husband strayed, he made sure I didn't find out and I appreciate that from him. But since I don't know for sure, all I can say is I know he didn't.

[2bfree]

74. I'm glad my Dad wasn't a womanizer.

That would make for a shitty childhood. It wouldn't have made the things he has done in life any less great but it would have made things rough on me and my mother.

[UTUSN]

75. I would sincerely like to WOMANIZE YOU!!!!!1 n/t

[MiniMe]

77. Don't leave out JFK and RFK, both big womanizers

And who cared back then?

[Bucky]

78. I have NEVER been unfaithful to anywoman I've gone out with

But that probably says more about my inability to sustain a long term relationship.

[seabeyond]

80. dont sell you short. it is a huge good for you.... people act like a man

HAS to be unfaithful. i dont even like that word. it should be more harsh.

i havent fooled around on any man i have dated, nor my husband i have been married to for 12 years. nor has he fooled around on me. screwing around on a mate is not something to be proud of.

and again i repeat, doesnt make less the accomplishments one has. isnt all of who a person is.