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cboy4
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Tue Jan-16-07 11:05 AM Original message |
And gay people still cannot donate blood because???? |
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BayCityProgressive
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Tue Jan-16-07 11:06 AM Response to Original message |
1. because |
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Horse with no Name
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Tue Jan-16-07 11:08 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Your post is funny |
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BayCityProgressive
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Tue Jan-16-07 11:15 AM Response to Reply #4 |
12. Good |
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cboy4
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Tue Jan-16-07 11:12 AM Response to Reply #1 |
8. That's pretty funny. On the other hand, it's scary to know there are |
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shadowknows69
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Tue Jan-16-07 11:14 AM Response to Reply #1 |
10. How many pints to turn a person gay |
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Turbineguy
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Tue Jan-16-07 11:21 AM Response to Reply #10 |
14. Now that you mention it... |
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Dorian Gray
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Wed Jan-17-07 08:14 AM Response to Reply #10 |
117. I think that it's because of the higher instance of HIV |
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Jamastiene
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Thu Jan-18-07 12:50 PM Response to Reply #117 |
130. Why are they not rejecting African American blood too then? |
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ItNerd4life
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Thu Jan-18-07 01:59 PM Response to Reply #1 |
132. Lol. That's brilliant! |
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Horse with no Name
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Tue Jan-16-07 11:07 AM Response to Original message |
2. Well--we have sooo many heteros that are willing to donate blood |
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xultar
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Tue Jan-16-07 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
3. Gay is catchy. We don't want it in the blood supply. Too many decorators |
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cboy4
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Tue Jan-16-07 11:14 AM Response to Reply #3 |
9. You're silly! =) |
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JackBeck
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Tue Jan-16-07 11:09 AM Response to Original message |
5. Yet another way to make sure we don't spread the gay. |
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meegbear
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Tue Jan-16-07 11:12 AM Response to Original message |
6. That's horrible ... |
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sabbat hunter
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Tue Jan-16-07 11:12 AM Response to Original message |
7. perceived risk factors |
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BlooInBloo
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Tue Jan-16-07 11:23 AM Response to Reply #7 |
16. Are there studies to the effect that a gay person's blood is no more likely... |
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Donald Ian Rankin
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Tue Jan-16-07 12:34 PM Response to Reply #16 |
45. I'm afraid the reverse is true, in the absence of other knowledge. |
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BlooInBloo
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Tue Jan-16-07 02:17 PM Response to Reply #45 |
57. Then, if I'm understanding correctly, it's improper to call it a "perceived" risk factor.... |
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Ms. Toad
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Tue Jan-16-07 08:32 PM Response to Reply #57 |
97. There are very accurate tests. |
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BlooInBloo
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Wed Jan-17-07 08:10 AM Response to Reply #97 |
116. Ok, then back to my original question. |
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Hippo_Tron
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Tue Jan-16-07 04:00 PM Response to Reply #16 |
71. Sodomy is a greater risk factor than vaginal intercourse for HIV and AIDS |
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BlooInBloo
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Tue Jan-16-07 04:01 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. Um, I never so much as suggested anything remotely resemblings that "assumption"... |
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Hippo_Tron
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Tue Jan-16-07 04:04 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. Oh no I didn't suggest that you did, I just think that a lot of other people do |
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BlooInBloo
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Tue Jan-16-07 04:05 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. ah - gotcha. |
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Solo_in_MD
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Tue Jan-16-07 11:56 AM Response to Reply #7 |
28. Don't forget the lawyers... |
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Recursion
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Tue Jan-16-07 02:55 PM Response to Reply #28 |
61. As with most things involving AIDS it was more complex than that |
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schrodingers_cat
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Sat Jan-20-07 12:12 AM Response to Reply #28 |
134. There is a test for HIV in blood donations, as well as hepatitis |
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Freddie Stubbs
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Wed Jan-17-07 07:55 AM Response to Reply #7 |
113. The problem with monogamy questions is that even if you are monogamous, |
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TechBear_Seattle
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Tue Jan-16-07 11:14 AM Response to Original message |
11. Because of bigotry and homophobia |
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libnnc
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Tue Jan-16-07 11:22 AM Response to Reply #11 |
15. I hear ya. It's pissed me off for years. |
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TechBear_Seattle
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Tue Jan-16-07 11:38 AM Response to Reply #15 |
23. My response is, "I would, and gladly, except for the bigots" |
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sabbat hunter
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Tue Jan-16-07 12:11 PM Response to Reply #23 |
38. with the new york blood center |
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TechBear_Seattle
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Tue Jan-16-07 12:50 PM Response to Reply #38 |
49. It might be they've changed that rule |
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demrabble
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Tue Jan-16-07 11:17 AM Response to Original message |
13. Because Instead of Educating People, the Red Cross Would Rather.. |
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Bill McBlueState
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Tue Jan-16-07 11:23 AM Response to Reply #13 |
18. note that the Red Cross are not the bad guys here |
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demrabble
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Tue Jan-16-07 11:34 AM Response to Reply #18 |
21. Ooops. Sorry. |
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Bill McBlueState
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Tue Jan-16-07 11:49 AM Response to Reply #21 |
25. no problem, I had this misunderstanding, too |
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darmok167
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Tue Jan-16-07 11:23 AM Response to Original message |
17. How would the blood center know if a person is gay? |
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cboy4
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Tue Jan-16-07 11:31 AM Response to Reply #17 |
20. BINGO |
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TechBear_Seattle
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Tue Jan-16-07 11:41 AM Response to Reply #17 |
24. There is a questionaire you are required to fill out |
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cboy4
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Tue Jan-16-07 11:57 AM Response to Reply #24 |
29. Tech, I think he understands you have to fill out a questionaire.... |
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darmok167
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Tue Jan-16-07 12:03 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. What, Darmok isn't a feminine sounding name? |
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TechBear_Seattle
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Tue Jan-16-07 12:07 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. Private donations are not regulated |
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darmok167
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Tue Jan-16-07 12:22 PM Response to Reply #34 |
43. But how would they catch a lie? |
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TechBear_Seattle
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Tue Jan-16-07 12:43 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. Are you are a "known" homosexual? |
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darmok167
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Tue Jan-16-07 02:58 PM Response to Reply #47 |
64. All true, and I agree with you, but... |
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darmok167
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Tue Jan-16-07 11:59 AM Response to Reply #24 |
30. Do they still pay for blood donations? |
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sabbat hunter
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Tue Jan-16-07 12:12 PM Response to Reply #30 |
39. no they do not |
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bullwinkle428
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Tue Jan-16-07 12:15 PM Response to Reply #24 |
41. Your name ends up on a "Deferred Donor Directory" - I'm on "the list" |
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TechBear_Seattle
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Tue Jan-16-07 12:47 PM Response to Reply #41 |
48. I wasn't aware that there was such a "list" |
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bullwinkle428
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Tue Jan-16-07 04:14 PM Response to Reply #48 |
76. American Academy of Pediatrics Journal - I knew there were links |
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AngryAmish
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Tue Jan-16-07 11:52 AM Response to Reply #17 |
27. Their shoes |
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eallen
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Tue Jan-16-07 04:44 PM Response to Reply #17 |
78. Before each donation, you are interviewed. You are not asked if you're gay... |
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AnnieBW
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Tue Jan-16-07 08:13 PM Response to Reply #17 |
96. Their blood is rainbow-colored |
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Bill McBlueState
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Tue Jan-16-07 11:26 AM Response to Original message |
19. oh, you can donate blood if you're gay |
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k_jerome
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Tue Jan-16-07 11:36 AM Response to Original message |
22. these causes get no play.... |
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Der Blaue Engel
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Tue Jan-16-07 11:50 AM Response to Original message |
26. There's no other way to put it: This makes my blood boil |
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cboy4
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Tue Jan-16-07 12:06 PM Response to Reply #26 |
33. Silly, silly Der Blaue Engel.....don't you know there are no |
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sabbat hunter
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Tue Jan-16-07 12:13 PM Response to Reply #33 |
40. hookers, IV driug users |
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cboy4
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Tue Jan-16-07 12:21 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. How about heterosexuals? I'm sure you know HIV is a heterosexual |
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Der Blaue Engel
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Tue Jan-16-07 03:32 PM Response to Reply #40 |
66. Every other proscription except the one against homosexuals is based on BEHAVIOR |
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eallen
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Tue Jan-16-07 05:11 PM Response to Reply #66 |
81. Nope, they ask questions that preclude that last, also. |
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Der Blaue Engel
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Tue Jan-16-07 09:28 PM Response to Reply #81 |
100. Really? |
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eallen
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Tue Jan-16-07 10:10 PM Response to Reply #100 |
102. So, you've had sex with a different person every day for the past year... |
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Der Blaue Engel
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Tue Jan-16-07 11:35 PM Response to Reply #102 |
105. I thought it would be clear that "a different partner every day of the year" was an exaggeration |
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eallen
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Tue Jan-16-07 11:44 PM Response to Reply #105 |
106. I doubt you have a basis for knowing whether that question matters at all. |
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Der Blaue Engel
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Wed Jan-17-07 12:19 AM Response to Reply #106 |
107. What I am telling you is that people who have sex with hundreds (yes, hundreds!) of partners |
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eallen
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Wed Jan-17-07 01:22 AM Response to Reply #107 |
108. You're still discussing personal risk, not population screening. |
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cboy4
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Wed Jan-17-07 01:58 AM Response to Reply #108 |
109. When people can very easily lie about their sexual history, as at least |
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Der Blaue Engel
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Wed Jan-17-07 02:57 AM Response to Reply #108 |
110. I am not professing to be an expert on what all other people do |
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youthere
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Tue Jan-16-07 01:07 PM Response to Reply #33 |
51. Apparently only "GAY AIDS" kills. |
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newburgh
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Tue Jan-16-07 12:04 PM Response to Original message |
32. Profits, er, supplies must be wanting... |
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bicentennial_baby
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Tue Jan-16-07 12:07 PM Response to Original message |
35. I've been flamed for this before... |
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cboy4
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Tue Jan-16-07 12:27 PM Response to Reply #35 |
44. I would NEVER flame anyone as smart as you! |
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porphyrian
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Tue Jan-16-07 12:08 PM Response to Original message |
36. Cooties! |
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cwydro
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Tue Jan-16-07 12:10 PM Response to Original message |
37. Lots of stupid rules |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME
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Tue Jan-16-07 12:40 PM Response to Original message |
46. Agree With You 100%. Any Healthy Individual Should Be Allowed To Donate Blood. |
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Tue Jan-16-07 02:15 PM Response to Reply #46 |
56. ABSOLUTELY!!! And one reason is that there are plenty of |
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Donald Ian Rankin
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Wed Jan-17-07 01:01 PM Response to Reply #46 |
122. *Receiving* blood is a very important service no-one should be excluded from. |
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Wed Jan-17-07 01:04 PM Response to Reply #122 |
123. Shame On You. n/t |
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Donald Ian Rankin
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Wed Jan-17-07 01:43 PM Response to Reply #123 |
124. It always worries me when people who disagree with me put forward such convincing arguments. |
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Donald Ian Rankin
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Tue Jan-16-07 01:03 PM Response to Original message |
50. I'm afraid I suspect this isn't entirely based on ignorant prejudice. |
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cboy4
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Tue Jan-16-07 01:26 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. It's being based on science and testing methods that are 30 years old, |
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Donald Ian Rankin
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Tue Jan-16-07 06:24 PM Response to Reply #53 |
89. Wrong comparison, I think. |
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Der Blaue Engel
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Tue Jan-16-07 03:37 PM Response to Reply #50 |
67. Here's a question for you |
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Donald Ian Rankin
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Tue Jan-16-07 06:14 PM Response to Reply #67 |
87. Potentially yes. |
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youthere
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Tue Jan-16-07 01:11 PM Response to Original message |
52. I had no idea.. |
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Tue Jan-16-07 01:48 PM Response to Original message |
54. Can't they just test the blood before someone donates? |
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cboy4
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Tue Jan-16-07 02:54 PM Response to Reply #54 |
60. I kinda think that would turn off too many potential donors by having |
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eallen
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Tue Jan-16-07 04:55 PM Response to Reply #54 |
80. There is a window after exposure when one is infectious but doesn't test positive. |
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Tue Jan-16-07 01:54 PM Response to Original message |
55. i didn't even know they still tried to pull that shit |
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Tue Jan-16-07 02:35 PM Response to Original message |
58. This is sad |
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Jeffersons Ghost
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Tue Jan-16-07 02:39 PM Response to Original message |
59. K&R... here's a 5th vote and striking gif... |
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Tue Jan-16-07 02:56 PM Response to Original message |
62. I don't let that stop me from donating |
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cboy4
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Tue Jan-16-07 03:54 PM Response to Reply #62 |
68. I know! That's my point. There is nothing to prevent people |
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Tue Jan-16-07 02:56 PM Response to Original message |
63. Wouldn't want anyone to catch The Gay, would you? |
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Tue Jan-16-07 03:01 PM Response to Original message |
65. I sure hope blood gets tested before given to anyone |
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cboy4
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Tue Jan-16-07 03:57 PM Response to Reply #65 |
70. It is tested: |
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eallen
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Tue Jan-16-07 04:51 PM Response to Reply #70 |
79. "Reduce" not eliminate. People need to realize the tests aren't perfect. |
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cboy4
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Tue Jan-16-07 05:16 PM Response to Reply #79 |
82. And so what are you saying? That because tests are not perfect, |
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eallen
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Tue Jan-16-07 05:30 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. I'm saying the interview screening is important & can't be eliminated. |
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cboy4
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Tue Jan-16-07 05:43 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. Why should a male who has had safer sex (using a condom) with |
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eallen
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Tue Jan-16-07 06:18 PM Response to Reply #85 |
88. Yeah, it does make sense. Here's why... |
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cboy4
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Tue Jan-16-07 06:54 PM Response to Reply #88 |
92. Where are you getting the 5% - 50% statistics? I always prefer to |
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Tue Jan-16-07 07:45 PM Response to Reply #92 |
95. There is no moral judgment being made where "benefit of doubt" is relevant. |
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Ms. Toad
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Tue Jan-16-07 08:43 PM Response to Reply #88 |
98. A tad bit of a reality check... |
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eallen
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Tue Jan-16-07 09:29 PM Response to Reply #98 |
101. I didn't say "condoms make no difference." Just the opposite... |
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Ms. Toad
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Tue Jan-16-07 10:50 PM Response to Reply #101 |
103. The only studies I find which support argument (2) |
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eallen
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Tue Jan-16-07 11:12 PM Response to Reply #103 |
104. I'm not surprised those pushing abstinence would use that error in reverse. |
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Ms. Toad
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Wed Jan-17-07 09:32 PM Response to Reply #104 |
129. And why couldn't their rate be lower? |
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Donald Ian Rankin
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Tue Jan-16-07 06:29 PM Response to Reply #82 |
90. If they're non-trivially imperfect then possibly not. |
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cboy4
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Tue Jan-16-07 07:06 PM Response to Reply #90 |
93. It's really unfortunate that you're making HIV out to be such a gay |
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Donald Ian Rankin
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Tue Jan-16-07 07:27 PM Response to Reply #93 |
94. See my posts 87 and 89 |
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cboy4
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Tue Jan-16-07 08:51 PM Response to Reply #94 |
99. Well, I find your association between gay people and tainted blood |
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Donald Ian Rankin
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Wed Jan-17-07 08:45 AM Response to Reply #99 |
119. If you regard "offensive" as a substitute for "untrue" you're going to make mistakes. |
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Zhade
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Tue Jan-16-07 03:55 PM Response to Original message |
69. K/R |
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Hippo_Tron
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Tue Jan-16-07 04:06 PM Response to Original message |
75. If they are going to have that policy it should apply to straight people who engage in sodomy also |
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cboy4
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Tue Jan-16-07 04:20 PM Response to Reply #75 |
77. I appreciate what you're saying, but hopefully you realize that |
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Donald Ian Rankin
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Tue Jan-16-07 06:36 PM Response to Reply #75 |
91. Possibly, but I suspect not. |
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Der Blaue Engel
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Wed Jan-17-07 03:24 AM Response to Reply #75 |
111. The questionnaire doesn't ask about sodomy |
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eallen
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Wed Jan-17-07 03:02 PM Response to Reply #111 |
126. Do you have ANY reason to think that asking about sodomy would be an effective screen? |
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Der Blaue Engel
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Wed Jan-17-07 05:25 PM Response to Reply #126 |
128. Where did I say anything about sodomy being an effective screen? |
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HoneyBee
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Wed Jan-17-07 08:09 AM Response to Reply #75 |
114. I wholly disagree. It should apply to neither. |
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Hippo_Tron
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Thu Jan-18-07 01:28 PM Response to Reply #114 |
131. As I said that is IF they are going to have the policy |
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Rex
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Tue Jan-16-07 05:24 PM Response to Original message |
83. Well you see, ahem, gay blood cells would intermingle with straight |
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dsc
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Tue Jan-16-07 05:54 PM Response to Original message |
86. I lie when I give blood |
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LaBanty
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Wed Jan-17-07 07:50 AM Response to Original message |
112. because we don't want your gay genes... |
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Freddie Stubbs
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Wed Jan-17-07 08:09 AM Response to Original message |
115. Is there a significantly higher incidence of HIV in gay man when compared to the general population? |
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eallen
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Wed Jan-17-07 09:42 AM Response to Reply #115 |
121. Yes. Men who have sex with other men account for 51% of new HIV cases. |
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HoneyBee
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Wed Jan-17-07 08:41 AM Response to Original message |
118. Hugely important point you made, and thank you for emphasizing |
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TZ
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Wed Jan-17-07 08:47 AM Response to Original message |
120. Screening process |
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Donald Ian Rankin
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Wed Jan-17-07 02:25 PM Response to Reply #120 |
125. You're wrong about the second, and I think but am not certain about the first too. |
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TZ
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Wed Jan-17-07 03:07 PM Response to Reply #125 |
127. testing |
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NMMNG
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Fri Jan-19-07 11:17 PM Response to Original message |
133. Because people are bigoted idiots |
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krispos42
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Sat Jan-20-07 12:25 AM Response to Original message |
135. You might turn a fundie or freeper gay with your blood-borne lifestyle choice |
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