Condi and Nelson in London

[mogster]

:shrug:

[Greeby]

1. The significance being?

Other than it being arare shoot of Paw Broon actually smiling

[mogster]

4. The significance being:

A class struggle ;-)

[canadianbeaver]

2. Blair tie in pic.one is different then Blair tie in pic 2 eom

what prize do I get?

[DoYouEverWonder]

3. Bwaaaaa

Nice catch.

[mogster]

5. Riddle: During which important occation was the first picture taken

and what was in the headlines at the time, buring this important meeting and the implications of it far below our radar?

[canadianbeaver]

6. Guessing........looking for ways to fix the intel. to suit the WH policy?

I really have no clue on that one.....was she out buying her shoes then?

[mogster]

7. Picture of Condi was taken January 30, 2006

And Condi Rice was in London to get support to bring Iran before the Security Council, a significant event on the way to the now looming war that her predecessor Powell started in 2004, after it was discovered by IAEA that Iran was enriching uranium. Powell resigned in late 2004 after admitting lying to the Security Council about a similar incident that brought about the war in Iraq, and Condi Rice had her first tour of Europe in February 2005 - to boost the morale for an anti-Iranian front (and also more muscle against Syria). She insisted that 'attacking Iran was not on the US agenda "at this point in time"'. It was about the same time picture number two was taken, when Nelson Mandela was visiting London to ask the G7 to cancel debt for poor countries.

What was in the headlines to bury it (and at the same time turn the scare of Muslims sky high), was the reaction to the Muhammed-cartoons, which was printed in Danish Jyllands-Posten September 30 2005, and reprinted in the Norwegian papers Dagbladet/Magazinet January 10 2006 (which propelled it into another dimension). Both publishings are linked to the US Middle East forum run by Daniel Pipes, and in a little known incident abroad (but huge in Norway), this is also tied to Israel AND Condi Rice:
Five days before the Norwegian papers published the Muhammed-cartoons, on January 5th 2006, the inexperienced Norwegian finance minister from the Socialist Left, Kristin Halvorsen, reiterated her claim that the party would continue the work for an boycott of Israeli goods - a campaign first started in summer of 2004 - in an interview with the paper Dagbladet (which really was the publisher of the cartoons and the paper that broke them mainstream). The renewed boycott plans http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4584738.stm">soon made the headlines, and, in a flurry, the Labour party foreign minister Gahr Støre which shared the coalition responsibility with the Socialist Left, sent excuses to the Israelis, and assured that boycott was not the official Norw. policy.


He also sent a letter to Condi Rice, who was on this case by request from the Israelis.


To no avail, http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article1196096.ece">Secretary Rice threatened Norway with 'serious political consequences' the day after the boycott-spectacle broke. She also has her own reasons; on the same day, January 5th 2006, the news came out that Norway divests from several US companies belonging to the military-industrial complex, among them Honeywell International Inc. and Northrop Grumman Corp.
And so the story goes. Norway (apparently) threatens Israel with boycott and five days later is threatened with boycott - by the Muslim world.
In 2006 Norway awarded IAEA with the Nobel Peace Pize. No doubt the agency works for peace and deserves the NPP, but the timing is interesting.

Ah well. Gotta get to work. Sometimes I think we're just scratching the surface of what's really going on.

[muriel_volestrangler]

8. I still haven't the faintest idea what you're trying to get at

A meeting between Rice, Blair and Straw isn't remarkable. They happened frequently. And your point about Mandela is also obscure - so he was in London 11 months earlier? Err - so what?

Or is this whole thread a parody of how to build a conspiracy theory?

[mogster]

9. But at this particular point in time it was significant, no?

As the Iran-affair now was officially agreed upon as fit for the Sec. Council.

Here's the article where the first picture was taken from, headlined:

The veto-powers take Iran to the Security Council
"(Dagbladet.no): The five veto-powers - China, Russia, UK USA and France - today agreed to treat the Iranian nuclear program in the UN Security Council, AP reports.
The deal came as a surprise, as China and Russia are important allies of Iran, and it was expected that they would be against treating the matter in the Security Council.
(...)
- To bring the Iranian matter in before the Security Council will not be constructive, and means the end of diplomacy, says Ali Larjani to the Iranian state tv-channel.
(...)
It has been strong reactions from Europe, USA and Israel after Iran broke the seals January 10, which IAEA had placed on the largest production facility for uranium enrichment in Nataz. The facility is now in use after a two year pause of production."

January 10 was the date chosen by the Norw. Muhammed publisher mr. Selbekk and his compadres to follow up Jylland-Posten, and publish the cartoons in Norway. I spent most of 2006 researching this incident, not because Selbekk wanted to publish it, but because of the Norwegian press, which chose to take this extremist into the mainstream, and as such blow the publication sky high. For maximum effect?
Selbekk, and his paper Magazinet, was a marginal publication with about 1000 readers. Small even under Norwegian conditions.
The endorsement of the publication by the paper Dagbladet and also the chairman of the Norw. press assoc., Per Edgar Kokkvold, was what made this event a big mainstream provocation, and fired off attacks on Norw. troops in Afghanistan and also attacks on our embassies in ... your right; Iran and Syria.

Strangely enough, the people of Iran seems to be reluctant to participate in the embassy burning, as the paper Dagbladet later discovered. If they really was there, I'm not sure if the in-linked article is for real or just spin. But as they also wrote later; the publishing of Muhammed isn't a controversy among shia's. They picture him often, although you'd guess it to be in a somewhat more respectful manner.

No doubt that the Muhammed cartoons served to increase the feeling of threat against Europeans (and Americans) because of the reactions. It thus served the following purposes:
- more muscle against Iran/take the heat away from the 'surprise desicion' to bring Iran to the Sec. Council
- it emptied - temporarily - the Gaza strip of Scandinavian rescue orgs, thus leaving Israel with free hands to deal with Palestinian 'terror', resulting in creating in July 2006 the highest casualty number since April 2002, as reported by B'tselem.
- locally, in Norway, it boosted the poll numbers of the Progress party from app. 20% to 34%, making it the largest party in Norway. They are virulently xenophobic and opportunist, and Mr. Selbekk is a staunch supporter of that party.

Which brings us to Nelson Mandela - and to the UK.
In 1983, the main character in the so-called Muldergate scandal in South Africa, Eschel Rhoodie, published a book called 'The Great Information Scandal' in which he elaborates on the different projects done by the Ministry of Information during the period 1972-1978. It was the Guardian that disclosed to the Norwegian public that the Progress party fetus - Anders Langes party - received financial help to finance their election campaign for the 1974 election, and as such got four seats in the parliament. The party 'owner' of the Progress party, Carl Ivar Hagen, was party secretary during the years 1973-1974, and must have known about the financial help. He was only part time politician, and at the same time was CEO of Tate & Lyle in Norway - a British company that may well have been used as a channel for the money because of it's involvement in SA (it was forced to divest in 1977).
I scanned the pages of Rhoodies bok that takes on Project Agneta; the Scandinavian project:




The reason for their interest in Scandinavia, most particular; Norway, was the political involvement by people from the Socialist Left in helping Mandela and ANC getting a voice abroad. Subsequently strong ties developed between our country and the South African labour movement.
Recently, the Guardian disclosed that Special Branch had been spying on the anti-apartheid movement in the UK, and in the last two weeks, local Norwegians has dislcosed that certain members from the Progress party was used by Norwegian military intelligence to spy on left intellectuals in Norway during their trips abroad.

[muriel_volestrangler]

10. I think you're leaving out the connection of Nelson Mandela

with Artists United Against Apartheid - set up by Steve van Zandt, who went on to play Silvio Dante in The Sopranos - which was nominated for Best TV Drama at the 2005 Golden Globes (Jan 16th) - but lost. And van Zandt also played guitar on "Born in the USA".

No smoke without fire, eh?

[mogster]

11. Interesting take

;-)