Minister pens "Obama: Sheep or Goat?" to "WARN EVANGELICALS" about him

[Bluebear]

Evangelicals Warned to Beware of Obama


Contact: Dane Rose, Faith and Action, 202-546-8329, ext 106, 703-447-1072, [e-mail]

WASHINGTON, Jan. 16 /Christian Newswire/ -- Rev. Rob Schenck, President of the National Clergy Council and head of its affiliate, Faith and Action, a Washington, DC-based Christian outreach to policy-makers on Capitol Hill has updated and re-released an in-depth examination of the religious beliefs of Sen. Barack Obama titled, "Barack Obama: Sheep or Goat?" Sources close to the Illinois Democrat announced that he will be filing the necessary paperwork today with the Federal Election Commission in Washington, D.C. to begin a presidential campaign.

Obama has been widely touted as able to win the support of values voters. He has openly discussed his faith in his writings and media appearances, suggesting that it will guide him in policy decisions.

Schenck, who is a board member of the Evangelical Church Alliance, America's oldest association of Evangelical clergy and chair of its committee on church and society, traces the development of Sen. Obama’s religious views from being the son of a nominally Muslim father and a secular humanist mother to his current association with a liberal church denomination. Through the Senator’s written and spoken words, Schenck discovers that Obama is anything but an Evangelical Christian. Schenck points to Obama’s positions on key issues that are at variance with Evangelical beliefs, in particular:

- Rejection of the plenary authority and centrality of the Bible

- Failure to evidence a personal surrender to the Lordship of Jesus Christ

- Support for abortion in all its forms including partial birth abortion

- Support for same-sex unions

In November 2006, Rev. Schenck publicly criticized mega-church Pastor Rick Warren’s invitation to Sen. Obama to speak at his church. Schenck warned that Obama’s appearance in an Evangelical pulpit would be seen as an endorsement of the politician’s “liberal religiosity” as well as his ambitions for higher office.

Rev. Schenck discusses how quickly “Obama-mania” has penetrated the Evangelical community. His article is designed to help Evangelicals and other traditional Christians to determine Obama's true religious identity.

Rev. Schenck can be reached for further comment through his assistant Dane Rose at [phone], Ext. 106, [phone] or via email at [e-mail].

http://www.earnedmedia.org/FAA0116.htm

[durtee librul]

1. Well now, THAT

didn't take too long did it? Now 'we' are not only going to pick on his names, but his religion as well? Someone ought to tell these fundies their religions aren't real great either if they can't practice what they preach all the time...ignorant jerks.

[silverweb]

2. Wow.

What an arrogant asshole.

And WTF is this shit:
- Rejection of the plenary authority and centrality of the Bible
- Failure to evidence a personal surrender to the Lordship of Jesus Christ

Methinks Schenck's criteria are just a tad _unconstitutional_!!

Get a clue, dude -- the U.S. is NOT A THEOCRACY.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

10. No, that's not unconstitutional.

He's not saying that people who don't fulfil those criterion shouldn't be allowed to be president, he's saying that they're not Evangelical Christians. He may well be right - I don't know enough theology to comment.

There's a world of difference between preventing someone standing for a post on account of their religion, and advising people to vote against them because of it.

I strongly disagree with this guy's politics, but he's not advocating anything unconstitutional as far as I can see.

[silverweb]

11. That's a very lawyerly observation.

Let me rephrase to be less sarcastic and more precise:

Methinks Schenck's criteria are just a tad _unconstitutional_ _against the Spirit of our Constitution_ -- and that ain't no way to run a constitutional democratic republic!!

Better?

:D

[Donald Ian Rankin]

12. Not really, I'm afraid.

My point is that *I* wouldn't be willing to vote for anyone who *was* a member of certain branches of Evangelical Christianity, and I would strongly urge other people not to do so either, and so I don't think I can legitimately object to this guy urging people not to support anyone who *isn't*.

I think that the spirit of the constitution is that the state shall not impose any religious requirements, not that the voters shouldn't.

Religion influences how a president will run the country, so I think it's a legitimate thing to consider when voting. My objection to this guy is the way in which he is considering it (i.e. advocating supporting positions that I think would lead to people running America badly), not - as I think yours is? - that he's considering it at all.

[silverweb]

13. Umm... sure.

I think you're over analyzing my comment, but that's fine.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

15. Quite possibly.

I'm a mathematician - it's an occupational hazard. If so, I apologise.

[silverweb]

16. No wonder!

No apology needed. :D

[Bluebear]

14. 'Religion influences how a president will run the country'

Like when Bush said Jesus was in his heart and it changed him?

You can consider it all you want when voting, no guarantee you will get what you think you are voting for.

[shaniqua6392]

3. Well I am an Evangelical Lutheran and

I LOVE BARACK OBAMA!!!! I support abortion and same sex unions. I would never listen to any of these idiots who are leaders of church organizations tell me who to vote for. I listen to my head and my heart and my God to determine who I should vote for. I want someone who will be good for my country and my fellow Americans (especially those in need), who may or may not be Christian. I could care less if a politician is a Christian or an atheist. What does this have to do with who our leaders are? Rev. Schenck is spreading propaganda rather than God's word.

[porphyrian]

4. I don't trust any "Christian" who focuses on hate rather than love. - n/t

[izzie]

5. I believe that 'liberal church group' helped make this country.

Course it was also a big group in stopping slaves. Wonder what thing makes them most hated by the fundamentalists? Scary just to think what they will do to this kind man and for get having a women at the top. These people do not think very clear at all. The Church maybe old but it is not a really large church as far as some go today. My mother-in-law used to say I was in a cult. Then any church that would put weather vanes up in place of a cross maybe looked at as different by people who are sure they have the right answers to how to believe in God.

[WI_DEM]

6. Obama scares a lot of people, and not only on DU!

[Rex]

7. Sheep or goat? Shouldn't that be sheep or wolf?

Goat?

[TlalocW]

8. That's what I was thinking...

The saying/parable/whatever is about a wolf in sheep's clothing. A goat is an old term for a loser - Schulz used it a lot for Charlie Brown in the 1950s.

TlalocW

[xchrom]

9. sheep and goats are the descriptions for the saved and the condemned

that jesus divdes humnkind into on judgement day.

[Tinksrival]

17. Poor Senator Obama is getting hit by a bunch of religious righty cuckoos

My very catholic mother-in-law forward this crap from her church list and she sent it to my children!:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Subject: Be Alert of a probable candidate for us Presidency

Probable U. S. presidential candidate, Barack Hussein Obama was
born in Honolulu, Hawaii, to Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., a black Muslim from
Nyangoma-Kogel, Kenya and Ann Dunham, a white atheist from Wichita, Kansas.
Obama's parents met at the University of Hawaii.
When Obama was two years old, his parents divorced. His father
returned to Kenya. His mother then married Lolo Soetoro, a radical Muslim from
Indonesia.
When Obama was 6 years old, the family relocated to Indonesia. Obama
attended a Muslim school in Jakarta. He also spent two years in a Catholic
school. Obama takes great care to conceal the fact that he is a Muslim.
He is quick to point out that, "He was once a Muslim, but that he also attended
Catholic school."
Obama's political handlers are attempting to make it appear that
Obama's introduction to Islam came via his father, and that this influence was
temporary at best. In reality, the senior Obama returned to Kenya soon after
the divorce,and never again had any direct influence over his son's education.
Lolo Soetoro, the second husband of Obama's mother, Ann Dunham,
introduced his stepson to Islam. Osama was enrolled in a Wahabi school in
Jakarta. Wahabism is the radical teaching that is followed by the Muslim terrorists who
are now waging Jihad against the western world.
Since it is politically expedient to be a Christian when seeking
major public office in the United States, Barack Hussein Obama has joined the
United Church of Christ in an attempt to downplay his Muslim
background.
Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential
candidacy.

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* on edit- Notice the gratuitous Osama thrown in there!