I got swift boated last night

[Monkeyman]

Last night on the Daily Kos some right wing Military Group attack me. They Claimed Janet was not real and had phony paperwork to back up their story. This is not the first time these people have attacked us Veterans in our group. See the Corner just released Janet to me so I can put her to rest. They think this is now my weakest point. ITS NOT! I made a promise to Janet and Randy never to stop fighting for Veterans. I am going to keep that promise. I am going to lay low until my Brothers take them on. This is a heads up DU I never will hide anything from you. But you all needed to know. I hate saying this But I will be back soon. The name of this group is MILNET just in case they post here. Friday at 9 am I will lay my lady to rest then I shall return.


Monkeyman

[NMDemDist2]

1. ....

never let the bastards get you down MMan :hug:

[madokie]

2. Pease bro'

I'll be there with you in spirit

[seabeyond]

3. F* them. we got your back, wink. take care of you n/t

[laylah]

4. ..

:hug: May your sweet Janet rest in peace, Monkeyman.

Jenn

[Nickster]

5. Hang in there man. Peace. n/t

[babylonsister]

6. Peace to Janet and you, Monkeyman.

And to hell with anyone who says otherwise. I look forward to your return. :hug:

[PsN2Wind]

7. Tough duty Monkeyman

Strength to you..............Peace to Janet

[in_cog_ni_to]

8. I'm so sorry Monkeyman.

:hug: No one should have to go through crap like this after losing a loved one. How sad.

May her memory be a blessing.

[EFerrari]

9. Don't bother yourself with that scum, Monkeyman.

:hug:

[Scout1071]

27. sfexpat2000......

Given your very negative experiences with sock puppets and harmful online personas, I am surprised to see you posting support without checking the facts. I'm sorry to say this......but you've been had.

Please see this thread for a rundown on his various sockpuppets and hoaxes from other sites:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/1/16/142957/654

[EFerrari]

33. Sorry, I don't fact check my friends (true) and am in the middle of something else. but.

if there is a situation here, Monkeyman can handle it. He knows exactly what to do to take care of himself and to let us know when he's doing better.

Monkeyman, I am on your side today and I will always be on your side.

[proud2BlibKansan]

65. Sounds to me like someone who needs help and sympathy

rather than criticism.

[YOY]

10. Monsters the lot of them

Hateful monsters.

I can think of nothing more vile than those who would kick another human being who is already down.

What do they hope to accomplish.

Soulless hateful monsters who never analyze their actions or words.

...

May your love rest in her proper place. Your heart.

[sakabatou]

11. Sick bastards...

[Philosoraptor]

12. republix fling poo, it's all they know how to do.

[Wiley50]

13. Shades Of Andy Stephenson.

Vile cretins they are

[Th1onein]

14. The only Rethugs left are the ones who have no sense of shame

These are some nasty bastards you're dealing with, Monkeyman. Best not to throw your pearls before swine. They sap your energy and make you sad, when you're already sad enough. They aren't worth your time.

[fed-up]

15. it should make you proud to know you are worthy of attack! keep up the

good work you do for all the vets!!!

May your wife rest in peace

[geek tragedy]

16. Sorry, but this is fraudulent bullshit.

What happened is that "Dale Peters" got busted for sock puppetry--using at least 3-4 different screen names and pseudonyms like "Robert Hanafin" and "MIKE JLUSECK"--while trying to work the folks over at Kos into a frenzy over an alleged plot by a county coroner to prevent his wife from being buried.


Discussion threads exposing the fraud can be found here: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/1/15/9311/84467

and here: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/1/16/142957/654

Someone else did their homework, and guess what they found:

"I am Julie Tackett, founding member and current National Secretary of Veterans & Military Families for Progress. I got an email from Dale alerting me that someone was going after him in my name. I came onto KOS to check it out.

I, and VMFP, have experience with Dale, and unfortunately it is not usually good. Here are the facts from my personal experience:

1. VMFP originated from a group of Vets for Kerry veterans who wished to stay organized after the 2004 campaign. We met in first Milwaukee in Feb of 2005. According to the original attendance spread sheet in our archive, Dale was not in attendance, but many of the other vets mentioned in your diary were there. (Tom Brophy (IL), Randy Barnes (MO), etc) This group had a working name of Veterans for Progress, but upon the decision to have military family members as a part of the organization, was named and grew as Veterans & Military Families for Progress (I emailed Wade our Certificate of Good Standing from DC)

2. Dale registered on our web site and posted frequently. He also, on two occasions (once for John Edwards during the 2004 campaign and once for Paul Hackett during the Ohio special election) promised VMFP that he would "show up at a campaign event with a bus load of veterans", upon which we relied and acted upon. On both occasions these buses never arrived and deemed as never existing in the first place. After a particularly vicious flame war through emails and on our website (www.vmfp.org), Dale said he wanted to quit VMFP, and our leadership happily and quickly honored his resignation. I then removed most of his posts from the discussion board on our website vmfp.org (his name was monkeyman).

3. Occasionally we get emails from other veteran groups and military units informing us that Dale Peters is an imposter and claims to be in various military units. If you would like any further information, you may call me at 206-2xx-8xxx.
Regards,
Julie Tackett
National Secretary
Veterans & Military Families for Progress
206-2xx-8xxx

Veterans and Military Families for Progress is dedicated to ensuring
that the rights and needs of veterans, military service members,
and their families are understood by the American public, endorsed
by our elected officials, and protected by legislation, regulation and
public policy initiatives.
www.vmfp.org"

http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2007/1/16/142957/654/130#c130

There was no organized rightwing witch hunt, but rather a bunch of liberals who got pissed once they realized they had been played for suckers.

Remarkably, this "Dale Peters" character has done this crap before!:

http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:dHrH3Jh5MPsJ:soldiersangelsforum.com/index.php%3Fname%3DNews%26file%3Dprint%26sid%3D47+veterans+for+progress+dale&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=6

http://usmilnet.com/smf/index.php?topic=259.0

What happened with Andy was sick, but this isn't the same scenario. What we have here is a fraud.

[blm]

18. Hmmmm......... this is serious.

Appreciated.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

20. A HUGE WTF Goin Through My Head. HUGE WTF Goin On.

WTF??????????????

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

21. Have We All Had Our Emotional Strings Played With Or Not?

There is some amazingly compelling evidence in your links, but I don't want to be premature in issuing my utmost condemnation towards the OP if it turns out to be false.

[shadowknows69]

22. I thought that too mindcrime.

It would be ashamed if the Monkeyman was pulling a fast one. It would be obscene in fact.

[Scout1071]

30. It is obscene.

And DU needs to know. I didn't want to post the info here, so I quietly emailed Skinner about the situation.

But Monkeyman just can't help himself. He had to come back and pre-empitvely give some bullshit story about a right wing attack from Daily Kos.

He had(s) numerous sockpuppets at DK. And I'm pretty sure a few of his "supporters" will be showing up here.

I've had it with this guy. Just go look at his DU journal. His "wife passes" and less than 30 hours later he's back to posting non-stop news-op-ed type stuff. All over the Internet. Daily Kos, Chicago Sun Times, Google Groups, and on, and on, and on. Sometimes "Mike" or "Jack" posted for him. For a guy with a big family and a lot of Veteran support, he sure is finding time to spend about 18+ hours a day (possibly more) on the Internet.

[geek tragedy]

53. Of course you shouldn't jump to conclusions.

I didn't do this because it was fun. But, this kind of thing is grossly unfair to the community here and it doesn't help MM, who quite frankly needs help.

[blonndee]

24. Wow, what a mess! n/t

[Scout1071]

25. Monkeyman...aka Dale Peters....aka Mike.....aka Janet G....ALL FRAUD.

I WOULD ENCOURAGE EVERY SINGLE DU'ER TO GO OVER TO THE THE DIARY AT DAILY KOS THAT IS LINKED IN THE POST ABOVE THIS ONE AND READ UP ON MR MONKEYMAN.

He has been caught in a thick web of lies and is trying to cover his tracks by calling Kossack's a right wing attack. Puh-lease.

There is still much more to be uncovered about your hoax/fraud Dale. You sure you want to keep going?
I would prefer that you just drop out of site like you did at all of the military websites where you were found to be a fraud last year. You remember? When you told them you had an amputee son at Walter Reed? And then they found out that your own service claims were bogus too?

Or when you promised on multiple occasions that you would bring "busloads of Vets" to events for Dem candidates and then never showed up? Several Veterans organizations say that is why they had to cut off communication with you.


And now you come here to play on the good will of DU'ers. How about you direct us to Janet's obit? I've never heard of someone having to wait 17 days to bury a loved one.

Dale, I believe that you want to help Veterans. But, your pathological lying and sock puppetry aren't doing anybody any good. Give it up. And don't blame anyone at DKos. Your own pathological need for attention got you to this point.

[EFerrari]

35. If someone has a need for attention, maybe this isn't the way to

help them to a better place, Scout.

[Scout1071]

Maybe not, but do I just sit back and watch him continue this hoax?

Making people that I have interacted with for the last 3-4 years, people I like....like you sfex....look like suckers with his false stories. He lied about his wife of 30 years dying in his arms. He lied about having an amputee son at Walter Reed. I could not sit back any longer and watch him perpetuate this fraud. I have known this information before today and specifically didn't post because I wanted to stay out of the impending flame war. I directed the info to Skinner and had planned to leave it at that. But, this last thread he started was just too much. And I was tired of seeing good DU'ers posting thread after thread about crying for him and being there for him, and so on and so on. It started making me nauseous and I felt like DU'ers had a right to know the truth.

After all, isn't that what brought us all to DU to begin with?

[EFerrari]

43. We need to time this out. Because whatever is happening will not

be made better this way.

I am with you on clarity, honesty, with respect for the community.

There may be more happening here than you or I know.

I'm sorry I used the cheney word. Can we let the mods handle this for now. I truly undestand that you have our interest in mind.

Beth

[uppityperson]

44. I alerted too, asking for them to deal with this and let us know.

My condolences to any who have lost family.

[EFerrari]

48. DU mods are the best. And so is DU.

Whatever this is, it will be sorted out appropriately, we can count on that. :)

[druidity33]

52. James Brown buried when? nt

[mdmc]

59. i've never been to kos

probably never will. I really don't care what happens over there...

[uppityperson]

36. wtf? My sympathy if was a death, shame if not. What the heck?

[EFerrari]

38. Maybe we should be thinking "context" here before we fly off the handle.

[uppityperson]

41. As I said, so sorry Monkeyman

what "context" please? Anyone can say they are anyone on the internets, doesn't mean it isn't true, but doesn't mean it is. I hate this sort of crap.

[EFerrari]

45. Well, I was just thinking, and of course I could be wrong, that

our friend has been tipped over in some way.

That happens.

[AlCzervik]

54. hey when you google Dales Peters and Robert Hanafin together they always

seem to post on the same threads and Hanafin is supposed to be a retired USAF Major and Dales Peters also comes up as "Sgt. Dale Peters"

[Wrinkle_In_Time]

56. I just want to thank...

...geek tragedy and Scout1071 on DU and torta on DKos for being brave enough to post the facts and evidence about this fiction: knowing that they might take flak from people who had accepted this story at face value.

I have absolutely no axe to grind on the topic used for this fiction, I just think that truth and skepticism are necessary weapons and armor against lies and cynicism -- those that wield them should be praised. Thank you all.

[rinsd]

62. Holy Shit!

That is seriously f-ed up.

[shadowknows69]

17. K+R

n/t

[DoYouEverWonder]

19. Hang in there

:hug:

[Monkeyman]

23. Ok I saw two people think I would do anything like that

Here is emails of people they say left these message ask them yourself's

[e-mail]

[e-mail]

[e-mail]

[e-mail]

Learn I am being hit hard by the right ask these Veterans who this org say back them up

[Scout1071]

28. How about you start with Janet's obit?

I saw more than a dozen newspapers in your area that were searched by Kossacks and not one in 16 days has an obit, Dale. No funeral notices either. If she was such a community and Veterans activist and your wife of 30 years, wouldn't there be some type of funeral notice?

But thanks for listing more sockpuppet email addresses for people to chase.

All the Veterans for Progress people and the Veterans for Kerry people have chimed in over at Daily Kos and they all say that not one person has ever met you in person. They have never met a "Janet" who works with Veterans in Darien, IL. The people who run those organizations voluntarily went to the diary that exposes you and posted that they had no current assocation with you because you made a lot of promises online and on the phone, but never actually delivered in person. And people were relying on your word. They did acknowledge speaking with you and having you listed as signing up for certain events, but they equally acknowledge that you never once showed and that your actions caused them to cease contact with you.

[EFerrari]

39. I think you need to back the fuck off. No matter what is happening here

what you are doing is not helping.\

[Scout1071]

47. I'm done. I'll let the facts speak for themselves from here on out.

But, I have to say that I have really admired you over the last 3-4 years on this site, particularly your organization of the Andy fundraising drives.

I'm sorry to say that I couldn't be more disappointed in your nasty tone towards me today.

I'm out of this discussion from here on out.

Peace.

[EFerrari]

49. Scout, I apologize for my tone. It was completely out of line.

:(

[mdmc]

60. thank you

for listenin to sfexpat2000. As someone who works with the mentally ill, all I can say is peace.

[Balbus]

26. self-delete

[dogday]

29. Looks like you are being hit from many

different directions and all of them are not looking so good...

[IndyOp]

31. Monkeyman - My suggestion to you...

Get offline and stay offline for a few months. Go outside for walks. Go read books. Do some volunteer work.

I wish you well.

[EFerrari]

40. I think taking a break is a good idea. Sometimes we don't think we deserve breaks.

I've been on a 5 month long break myself.

It did me a lot of good. Like cleaning house and I'm grateful that I had the opportunity.

Monkeyman, you deserve just as much of a break as I do, for sure. :)

/oops

[Nicole]

32. What a mess!

I hope someone clears the air on this story. :wtf:

[bonito]

51. .

:crazy:

[Scout1071]

34. Well, here is somebody that has actually met Dale (Monkeyman):

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/1/16/142957/654

DALE DOES EXIST - Read it here! (2+ / 0-)
Recommended by: MattR, Warren Terrer
Here you have it. Read Below.

Tracey Sperko was the WI vets coordinator for JK and the organizer (with Randy Barnes) of VMFP's Feb 2005 conference that Dale talks about. I personally have met and worked with her and Dave Adams (both served as interim board members for VMFP)and can 100% vouch for their statements. I have also met John Lindquist and although I don't know him as well as Tracey and Dave, I know he is well thought of in the WI vets community and is one heck of a great guy.

VVAW, the group Tracey is referring to (and with which she has incredible rapport) is the WI part of the original Vietnam Veterans Against the War group... remember Born on the Fourth of July with Tom Cruise? They were all together with Kerry at the beginning, as she noted. The group eventually split and some of them went on to become the VVA.

As a note, the havoc Dale caused at VMFP was mostly directed at women, Tracey and myself, and after she got us through the convention in Sept 2005, she stepped back in part, because of the stress cause by his and Randy Barne's attacks. She focused her energies at the state/local level and continues to serve vets and their families. She also was vets coordinator for the WI governors race, etc. She is well thought of in the vets/political community.

I will post most of this on the site. Hope that helps.

Julie

*****

Julie,

Dave Adams and others have seen Dale. His wife left when his son was around 2 years old. He did not remarry. He lived/lives with his now elderly mother, whom he could have just buried. I also know a number of VVAW here in Milwaukee who knew Dale from the organizational days of VVAW. He was in DC for the big protest where John Kerry threw the medals over the wall. He played a prank on John Lindquist.

Dale has left two messages on my phone in the last 6 months, neither did I return.

Take care,
Tracey

by Seattle4310 on Wed Jan 17, 2007 at 03:47:23 PM PST

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[Rex]

37. A virtual 'he said, she said' means nothing.

Just ignore these people Monkey, it sounds like a cult is after you. Find something productive to do, you will only waste real-time with a virtual war of words. Not worth wasting time on.

[SanCristobal]

42. K&R for hilarities sake!

[EFerrari]

46. Spell check is your friend. And welcome to DU.

The correct spelling is "hilarity". The possessive is "hilarity's".

:hi:

[bridgit]

50. spell check is my best-est buddy...

:bounce:

[SanCristobal]

55. Damn firefox spel chek...

though it seems that my mistake is hardly the most flawed bit of information on this thread.:evilgrin:

Thanks for the welcome!:toast:

[LibraLiz1973]

57. who knows whats going on in the world anymore!

[mdmc]

58. my thoughts are with y'all

peace and low stress

[roguevalley]

61. I am so sorry, so very, very sorry. Your family has my prayers.

[Richard Steele]

63. "Swiftboated", nothing. You've been EXPOSED AS A FRAUD is what happened.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

64. This is sad to see ...

I'm not passing judgment on anyone, but the hard facts of the 'internets' are that deception is rife. Sad, but TRUE. This is the perfect tool for opportunistic, attention seeking people ... whether mentally/emotionally unstable, or sociopathic predators.

It's a shockingly rude awakening, for those who believe if they treat others with respect and honesty it will be returned in kind. Do NOT assume people met online share your same integrity and values.

[wakemeupwhenitsover]

66. I'm going to lock this

to give the admins time to review the situation.

best,
wakemeupwhenitsover
DU Moderator