Hillary's team has questions about Obama's Muslim background (disgusting)

[bluewave]

Are the American people ready for an elected president who was educated in a Madrassa as a young boy and has not been forthcoming about his Muslim heritage?

This is the question Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton’s camp is asking about Sen. Barack Obama.

An investigation of Mr. Obama by political opponents within the Democratic Party has discovered that Mr. Obama was raised as a Muslim by his stepfather in Indonesia. Sources close to the background check, which has not yet been released, said Mr. Obama, 45, spent at least four years in a so-called Madrassa, or Muslim seminary, in Indonesia.

"He was a Muslim, but he concealed it," the source said. "His opponents within the Democrats hope this will become a major issue in the campaign."

When contacted by Insight, Mr. Obama’s press secretary said he would consult with “his boss” and call back. He did not.

Sources said the background check, conducted by researchers connected to Senator Clinton, disclosed details of Mr. Obama's Muslim past. The sources said the Clinton camp concluded the Illinois Democrat concealed his prior Muslim faith and education.

"The background investigation will provide major ammunition to his opponents," the source said. "The idea is to show Obama as deceptive."

In two best-selling autobiographies—"The Audacity of Hope: Thoughts on Reclaiming the American Dream" and "Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance"—Mr. Obama, born in Honolulu where his parents met, mentions but does not expand on his Muslim background, alluding only to his attendance at a "predominantly Muslim school."

The sources said the young Obama was given the name Hussein by his Muslim father, which the Illinois Democrat rarely uses in public.

His father was black and came from Kenya. Mr. Obama’s mother, the daughter of a farmer, came from Wichita, Kansas. Mr. Obama's parents divorced when he was two years old. His father returned to Kenya.

Later, Mr. Obama's mother married an Indonesian student and the family moved to Jakarta. Mr. Obama returned to Hawaii when he was 10 to live with his maternal grandparents.

The sources said the background check concerned Mr. Obama's years in Jakarta. In Indonesia, the young Obama was enrolled in a Madrassa and was raised and educated as a Muslim. Although Indonesia is regarded as a moderate Muslim state, the U.S. intelligence community has determined that today most of these schools are financed by the Saudi Arabian government and they teach a Wahhabi doctrine that denies the rights of non-Muslims.

Although the background check has not confirmed that the specific Madrassa Mr. Obama attended was espousing Wahhabism, the sources said his Democratic opponents believe this to be the case—and are seeking to prove it. The sources said the opponents are searching for evidence that Mr. Obama is still a Muslim or has ties to Islam...

http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/flash_4.html

If this is true, it's disgusting and unacceptable. We should not tolerate fearmongering and the use of religious bigotry. If Hillary wants to race bait, she can join the Rethugs where they enjoy this sort of thing.

[generaldemocrat]

1. OMG, this is un-f*ckingbelievable....

This should be an early indicator of how far the Hillary Imperium will go to win the nomination.

[Dr.Phool]

50. I haven't heard Hillary mention it.

Every campaign does opposition research on opponents. It's up to the candidate and their staff to decide to use it or not.

Rule of thumb for candidates. If you have a skeleton or anything else in your closet, your opponent already knows it too. Best to get out in front of it.

[annabanana]

2. I call BS. . . . . n/t

[bluewave]

6. That's why I stress "IF." But would this really surprise anyone?

[SmokingJacket]

12. It's easier to believe a Washington Times spin off is lying, actually. nt

[rinsd]

18. You didn;t stress "if". You boldfaced a Moonie rag to start a flame war.

[bluewave]

20. There's an "if" in the OP. If you didn't see that one

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There, happy?

[rinsd]

28. When did you stop beating your wife? (nt)

[bluewave]

35. I didn't see anything about certain news sources being prohibited

here. If it is, please point to the policy. If not, I will continue to point and laugh at your sputtering.

And no, I don't investigate the editorial board of every news source I find.

[rinsd]

41. So you just believe whatever you read on the internet?

"I don't investigate the editorial board of every news source I find. "

:eyes:

[bluewave]

52. LOL

Okay, so it's not a policy. Thank you and goodbye.

*Points*

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[aquart]

64. Thank you for your concern. Are you sure you're in the right place?

[bluewave]

75. Right place for what?

I thought this was a progressive board. Didn't know I couldn't post news casting Hillary in a bad light. :eyes:

[July]

88. THANK YOU.

Unnamed sources pitting Dems against each other -- hmmm, why should I buy this? I second your call.

[BayCityProgressive]

3. This is what Dems do

power always wins out over ethics. Once again, this is why I stick with the Progressive Cuacus. She is a disgusting bitch if this is true.

[July]

89. But . . . we don't know if it's true.

So why jump to conclusions?

[Gloria]

4. Obama isn't my choice, but this REALLY seals the deal on Hillary....

if it's true...
And I wouldn't bet against it. Her palsy walsy act with Murdoch, her camp's recent tactics/whining about Edwards that was oh so Rovian....

NO, NEVER, Hillay and her DLC/Rovian camp can go screw themselves.

[aquart]

70. So, you have no actual proof that Hillary has anything to do with this.

But you're going to believe it anyway. Excellent. This is called "GETTING TWO BIRDS WITH ONE STONE."

Wonderful of you to be such a convenient, easy mark.

[liberalpragmatist]

5. Um, check the source

This is from an ultra-RW "news" organ. What they're attempting to do is disgusting, but I see nothing here to suggest that the Hillary camp has anything to do with this. I certainly wouldn't trust anything Insight Magazine says.

[LonelyLRLiberal]

10. I certainly hope you are right.

I was shocked to read that this came from Hillary.

[regnaD kciN]

39. Pretty typical right-wing "divide and conquer" tactics, actually...

They've been doing this since Nixon's CREEP, if not before -- issue a fake news story, allegedly from one Democratic candidate, smearing another Democratic candidate, but in such a despicable way as to discredit both Democrats.

And hasn't McCain recently hired a whole bunch of the most notorious sleazy Republican operatives to work on his campaign?

[Tinksrival]

107. I think you are right...

It started as a right wing email attack that my very catholic and very republican mother-in-law sent me last week:

Subject: Be Alert of a probable candidate for us Presidency


Probable U. S. presidential candidate, Barack Hussein Obama was
born in Honolulu, Hawaii, to Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., a black Muslim from
Nyangoma-Kogel, Kenya and Ann Dunham, a white atheist from Wichita, Kansas.
Obama's parents met at the University of Hawaii.
When Obama was two years old, his parents divorced. His father
returned to Kenya. His mother then married Lolo Soetoro, a radical Muslim from
Indonesia.
When Obama was 6 years old, the family relocated to Indonesia. Obama
attended a Muslim school in Jakarta. He also spent two years in a Catholic
school.
Obama takes great care to conceal the fact that he is a Muslim. He is
quick to point out that, "He was once a Muslim, but that he also attended
Catholic school."
Obama's political handlers are attempting to make it appear that
Obama's introduction to Islam came via his father, and that this influence was
temporary at best. In reality, the senior Obama returned to Kenya soon after
the divorce,and never again had any direct influence over his son's education.
Lolo Soetoro, the second husband of Obama's mother, Ann Dunham,
introduced his stepson to Islam. Osama was enrolled in a Wahabi school in
Jakarta. Wahabism is the radical teaching that is followed by the Muslim terrorists who
are now waging Jihad against the western world.
Since it is politically expedient to be a Christian when seeking
major public office in the United States, Barack Hussein Obama has joined the
United Church of Christ in an attempt to downplay his Muslim
background.
Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential
candidacy.

* Notice the Osama typo! That article and this email sound like they come from the same source.

Oh and yea, I can't stand my m-i-l!

[NYCGirl]

119. Did you send her back the following link proving the story is FALSE?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp

[LonelyLRLiberal]

7. This is appalling prejudice from Sen. Clinton - unacceptable.

I received a very nasty email about Barack Obama that repeated this same sort of B.S., implying almost that he is a "closet terrorist."

If Hillary can't make it on her own qualifications, she ought to just give up. I sure would like to have a woman president, but don't think she's the one. Sure, she is smart and tough, but she lacks something in the ethical area. Too cutthroat and calculating for me.

[bluewave]

13. You received an email? Who was it from?

What were its contents? Tell us, pretty please.

:evilgrin:

[LonelyLRLiberal]

40. It was a forward from a relative in Alabama -

This guy has military connnections and sends me all sorts of crazy stuff supporting the Iraq War and criticizing anyone who opposes the war. Lots of these things have a racist, anti-Muslim bent.


You can check out the gist of the email about Barack Obama and get an analysis of the contents at:


http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp

[Tinksrival]

108. opps, I think I just posted it upthread

I received it too.

[Richard Steele]

Too bad Hillary isn't investigating any Repubs this diligently.

[Freddie Stubbs]

113. What proof do you have that she isn't?

:shrug:

[Richard Steele]

117. If she was, we'd have heard about it by now. Lord knows there's plenty to find.

[SmokingJacket]

8. Consider the source: a Moonie magazine.

It's just like them to want to smear both Obama and Hillary in one fell swoop.

[ContraBass Black]

9. "Sources" say all kinds of things.

[Fridays Child]

11. Let's stay calm. I doubt that this is anything more than a Rove-job.

[Clark2008]

27. Does it matter?

Does it matter if it comes from Hillary's camp or the Rovian camp? Because, the end result is the same: scare the bejebus out of the American public so they won't vote for Obama.

That's what the point is: whether it came from Hillary's people or the Republican's, the damage is the same.

[Fridays Child]

46. My point is that we shouldn't form a circular firing squad over it.

That won't help anything--and that's exactly what they want, in addition to the damage they hope the information itself will cause.

[ContraBass Black]

55. Too late.

Bang!

[Fridays Child]

79. I'd like to think that Dems have learned a thing or two, over the years.

[bling bling]

109. There would be a circular firing squad if Hillary stopped global warming or cured cancer. n/t

[regnaD kciN]

56. The difference is...

Does it matter if it comes from Hillary's camp or the Rovian camp? Because, the end result is the same: scare the bejebus out of the American public so they won't vote for Obama.

...that this sort of right-wing technique not only scares voters from supporting Obama, but also gets lots of Democrats disgusted with Hillary, so that they won't support her, either.

As to Obama and rumors of Muslim upbringing -- considering his background (and, especially, his name), he better be expecting all sorts of scurrilous attacks (whether from other Democrats or -- far more likely -- from Republicans, either outright or posing as Democrats) and be ready to counter them. If he can't handle stuff like this, he has no chance in a national election, and we're better off knowing that now, rather than after he becomes the nominee and can get SwiftBoated like Kerry. I look forward to watching how he deals with such charges now.

[aquart]

73. Absolutely, since you're swallowing it whole.

Tasty?

The connection you just made between Rove and Hillary is as good as Iraq and 9/11, I swear. With exactly the same amount of truth.

I'm getting a strong whiff of the stench of disinformation. Good job!

[July]

90. The damage is the same IF we fall for it.

But people are waking up to the manipulation.

[rinsd]

14. What's disgusting is your trojan horse smear via a Moonie Rag

You should be embarrased.

[bluewave]

19. Sorry. I've never seen the paper before.

Didn't know it was a "moonie mag."

[rinsd]

24. Do you make a habit of posting stuff from the Washington Times?

Did you bother to research this at all before you took the time to boldface the most inflammatory parts of the article?

[bluewave]

31. That's why we're able to reply

to discuss this issue. You have a right to point out anything you find which is flawed from the article. I have the right to post it.

[rinsd]

36. Discuss the issue?

Its an anonymously sourced hit piece on Obama from a known disinfo outfit.

Oh and it just happens to match up with FoxNews breathless reporting of Obama's middle name.

You're either willfully ignorant or just the plain old kind.

[bluewave]

44. Again, when I see a link to the policy prohibiting certain

news sources, I will agree that I am wrong here. So far I've seen links to Drudge and Freerepublic. Until you do, I will point and laugh at your sputtering.

[rinsd]

53. There is no policy.

I have never stated there was a policy. I called the source a steaming pile of feces.

"
So far I've seen links to Drudge and Freerepublic."

And what was their credibility assessed as? Do you think they are credible sources of info?

"I will point and laugh at your sputtering. "

Well that's your point in the first place isn't it?

[July]

92. And we will laugh and point at those who don't know what team the journos are playing for.

Some sources are credible, others aren't. Helps to know the difference when you are judging a politician's ethics, credibility, connections, etc.

[SmokingJacket]

102. It took me five seconds to connect it to the Moonies.

Google is a wonderful thing.

It's one thing to say, "Look what Drudge/this other crazy source is saying about Hillary and Obama," and another to just post it without tracking down the source.

According to the rules, you are permitted to link to "highly partisan conservative" sites, but I think it's helpful to note in your post that's what they are.

[Demobrat]

15. OMG this literally makes me gag.

I've never been a big Hillary fan but it never occurred to me she'd stoop to something like this. Yuck. Just yuck.

[SaveElmer]

42. What should make you gag...

Is that folks here would take anything published by the Bat shit crazy monnie times as reliable!!!

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

16. From what I know

at the time Obama was in Indonesia, Wahhabism was not really there--folks I know who lived there in the 80s talked about meeting Sufis and not having any hassle with fundamentalists--and they were American Sufis who were working over there.

I'm thinking it would be nice if we could all sit down and watch "Little Mosque on the Prairie", which I hear is a funny look at Muslims in America--and shows that they don't have horns or eat babies!

[Telly Savalas]

111. Little Mosque on the Prairie is a Canadian show

and the story takes place in Saskatchewan.

[Sequoia]

17. It seem Hillary forgets we have freedom of religion.

So what if he's a Muslim. JFK was a Roman Catholic and he was elected. Good lord, she is sinking low.

[rinsd]

22. She isn't doing anything. This is a smear from a Moonie rag

[bluewave]

26. Source? eom

[rinsd]

30. Take a look at their editorial board einstein.

You're looking at featured players in the Mighty Wurlitzer.

[Clark2008]

21. So...?

I guess the mouth-breathers care, but, personally, I don't give a frig.

Of course, my ex-husband is a Muslim and I know they're not "evil."

:eyes:

[Cass]

23. I know nothing about this paper but this sounds hinky to me.

Not buying this one.

[SaveElmer]

48. Yeah its the Moonie Washington Times...

Less reliable than a Dick Morris prediction...

[applegrove]

25. He was ten. Ten years old. Un-believable. I hope the Hillary Camp

can learn not to swiftboat..cause that will blow up in their faces. People are disgusted with shady, sneaky backroom slurs. The Democratic Primaries should be swiftboat free. If you have something to say...be a person and ask it out loud your own dam self. Stop it with the third party **** disturbers.

[July]

94. Unnamed "source."

The right's specialty. Get something slimy out there, then when it turns out to be false, oh, too bad, can't turn back the clock.

There is no good reason to believe this story until it is confirmed by someone willing to use his/her own name.

[Telly Savalas]

112. Do we have any reason to believe Clinton is swift-boating?

In this thread there hasn't been a single reference to a credible news source which suggests she has.

What makes you think she's engaged in the practice?

[applegrove]

115. When you attack someone for something they did as a child..when they

had no say..it is the same as attacking them on falsehoods. It is an attack. Obama had no control over that and it says nothing about his character as a child. For sure torturing small creatures may tell us something about Bush's character..but where I child goes to school? Come on. What were the choices Obama has made as an adult? That is reasonable line to question. Not where he went to school when he was 6.

[Telly Savalas]

120. But there isn't a shred of evidence in this thread which suggests

she made such an attack.

[pnwmom]

29. This is an issue that would INEVITABLY be brought up by the Repubs,

if he makes it to the general election. We don't know who these "sources" are, or how reliable, but it doesn't really matter. The fact is, he attended a Muslim school and Repubs will try to smear him with that.

Might as well get it over with now, so it's old news by the time the election rolls around.

[Burnsey_Koenig]

32. Looks like a pox on both their houses

Seems to me it tries to paint both Clinton and Obama in a negative way. I see this as a smear tactic, and not by Clinton's camp.

[ccpup]

33. Those who hate Hillary

will grow red in the face and throw an unending stream of baseless insults against her while those who love Hillary will question the sources cited and pooh-pooh the whole thing. Fact of the matter is, having worked with her (and that doesn't necessarily mean I like her or want her for President, mind you), I doubt very much her "team" would be this flat-footed, amateurish and shrill. I also doubt anything written by the World Tribune is honest or accurate.

But this is Politics and this is, unfortunately, how DU tends to work most of the time. Oh well.

[July]

96. I question the sources, but I neither love nor hate Hillary.

I defend her, though, because she -- and her husband, and her daughter -- have been subjected to an unending string of smears since 1992. If she's guilty of something, I want better proof than unnamed sources from a Moonie rag. I hope we learned something from the Swift Boat Liars for Bush.

[Telly Savalas]

114. I'd prefer it if Hillary didn't get the nomination, but the source to this story

is questionable and should be disregarded.

If we start playing Rovian games, then we become worse than Rove.

[Kelly Rupert]

34. I doubt this story is true, but we should welcome it.

This is what we're going to be hearing nonstop if Obama gets the nomination for President or VP. It's time to start steeling ourselves against this garbage and preparing our counterattacks. After all, 2007's scandal--if properly dealt with--is 2008's old news.

[SaveElmer]

37. It's amazing when it comes to Hillary...any Right Wing Rag...

Is suddenly a valid news source...

People around here were apoplectic when the Los Angeles Times criticized Hugo Chavez, calling it an unreliable right wing hack paper...

But the moonie-bat right wing whack jobs at the Washington Times...surprise surprise...publishes a hit job on Hillary...and it is taken as fact...

Disgusting!!!

[rinsd]

45. What else is new? If its awful and its Hillary, it must be true sources be damned.

I know what the OP is trying to do but I am sad so many Duers took it at face value.

[earthlover]

74. The perfect crime?

Leak dirt about Obama to a Moonie paper...then nobody will believe you did it because it was a Moonie paper. Meanwhile the dirt is spread about Obama. At no risk. Hmmmm

[NoSheep]

77. Now there is a mind after my own heart!

[NoSheep]

76. I would like to offer the observation that Hillary is way too centrist for many

democrats and because we have seen such hard times at the hands of repukes, it is not surprising that those who don't obviously come out strong from the get-go against certain policies are going to be persecuted by those of us who are afraid of more of the same. I think it is important to realize that. I'm not arguing with you. I'm just pointing this out.

[malaise]

38. Adios Hillary

You're history

[rinsd]

43. Thanks to the concrete evidence of an anonymously source Moonie article!

[bluewave]

47. I must have struck a nerve here.

Are you a Hillary supporter, perchance?

[jumpoffdaplanet]

69. It's the bullshit nerve

A good nerve to have. It lets one recognize bullshit.

[July]

100. Are you a Hillary hater, perchance?

Why is there any need to pride yourself on "hitting a nerve" when people tell you they don't believe your source? There is a difference between credible reporting and questionable reporting, and many DUers care about the difference.

[malaise]

49. That could be divide and rule

Another source would be useful. If her group are involved, she is history.

[bluewave]

57. Don't see how this helps out cons much

Since they want Hillary to run, and getting this out early helps the Democrats (since we won't be blindsided after he's on the ticket).

[generaldemocrat]

60. That's what I'm thinking.

The CONS really have no interest in working against Clinton to be the nominee.

[rinsd]

66. Hello there Lampchop!

[generaldemocrat]

51. Does Chris Lehane still work for the Clintons?

For those of you who've never heard of this guy, he's their equivalent of Karl Rove, their Chief of Dirty Tricks.

[sandnsea]

65. I believe so, hired to bash Obama

According to Chris Matthews

"Tonight on Hardball host Chris Matthews told his panel that he has learned that the Clintons have paid the slimey spinmeister Chris Lehane to bad-mouth Barack Obama's potential 08 candidacy to reporters on background. He said the Clintons do not want any fingerprints on the operation."

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/11/22/211433/20

[Telly Savalas]

118. Since when has Chris Matthews been considered a reliable source?

Why should we believe he isn't talking out his ass? Is that how he earns his paycheck?

[sandnsea]

122. Don't believe it, I don't care

He's pointed out when the faxes have been flying on a few occasions, from both sides. You don't want to believe Hillary is capable of this, that's up to you. People have a right to take in all info available and make up their own mind. LeHane working for Hillary is important info as it pertains to slime, although it usually comes back to bite him in the ass because he's just not that good at it.

[madfloridian]

86. Chris Lehane...ah yes.

Can you say Iowa Jan. 04?

The master of dirty tricks.

[generaldemocrat]

87. Yeah, I'll be honest.....

He is one staffer the Clark campaign did not need.

[Freddie Stubbs]

116. Does he still work for Wesley Clark?

:shrug:

[madfloridian]

54. More about the World Tribune....

http://www.newyorker.com/talk/content/articles/030908ta_talk_mcgrath

"Aficionados of the Drudge Report may have noticed several striking headlines recently linking to stories from the World Tribune, an enterprise with a title as grand and ambitious as it is unfamiliar. One such story last week began, “U.S. intelligence suspects Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction have finally been located.”

"Not everyone ignored it: Rush Limbaugh, for instance. “There’s a piece in the World Tribune today—one of the papers in the United Kingdom—exactly as theorized on this program early on,” he said on his radio show. “It’s unconfirmed, but it’s a story that many of the weapons of mass destruction are at present buried in the Bekaa Valley of Lebanon.”

"In fact, the World Tribune is not published in the United Kingdom, nor is it, to be precise, a newspaper. It is a Web site produced, more or less as a hobby, in Falls Church, Virginia, and is dedicated to the notion, as its mission statement explains, that “there is a market for news of the world and not just news of the weird.” (Nonetheless, the site includes a prominent feature, Cosmic Tribune, with an extraterrestrial focus, and it links to a Mafia journal called Gang Land News.) Its editor and publisher, Robert Morton, is an assistant managing editor at the Washington Times and a former “corporate editor” for News World Communications, the Times’ owner and the publishing arm of the Unification Church, led by the Reverend Sun Myung Moon. (Morton and his wife, Choon Boon, are themselves followers of the Reverend Moon.) Among the World Tribune’s other recent half-ignored scoops are that Al Qaeda claimed responsibility for last month’s blackout and that a North Korean defector stressed, during a meeting in July with White House officials, the need for a preëmptive military strike against Kim Jong Il.

Morton said last week via e-mail that he founded the site as an experiment, back in 1998, while serving as a media fellow at Stanford’s Hoover Institution, a conservative think tank. “I didn’t expect World Tribune.com to last for more than a few months,” Morton wrote, but now, despite having no dedicated staff (“Everyone involved with World Tribune.com has a day job”), the site receives more than a million page views per month. And, unlike the Washington Times, which has lost at least a billion dollars in its twenty-one-year existence, World Tribune.com, in concert with the subscription-driven weekly intelligence briefing Geostrategy-Direct.com (a partner site), has paid for itself.

The secret of its success seems to involve well-placed informants (“Over the years I have developed an informal, international network of sources and writers I can trust,” Morton said) and an emphasis on immediacy. Although Morton said, “We emphasize newspaper standards to counter the half-baked, unfiltered content on some online sites,” World Tribune.com more fairly qualifies as something between a newspaper and a rumor-mongering blog. Call it “blews.” In this sense, it is part of a loose network of mostly conservative sites—WorldNetDaily, Dr. Koontz’s National Security Message Board, debka File (produced by a pair of Jerusalem-based journalists thought to have moles in Israeli intelligence)—whose dispatches sometimes serve as the journalistic equivalent of trial balloons: a story may not be based on knowable facts, but it nevertheless may occasionally turn out to be right. (Much of the time, of course, it more closely resembles a Bat Boy update in the Weekly World News.)

[rinsd]

58. MF we may butt heads frequently but I could kiss your right now !

[sandnsea]

71. Good place to leak a story

Sounds like classic LeHane to me. I believe they'd use this outlet, in an instant. Then she'll come out and say she's shocked, shocked, that her name would be linked to such a thing.

Come on, MF, you've seen how they operate too many times to completely dismiss this.

[madfloridian]

80. I don't have an opinion.

I just saw the source. Could be true or not.

[sandnsea]

91. I agree

I'm just glad we have an idea who the good guys and bad guys are this time around. Regardless, this is obviously going to hound Obama for a while.

[bluewave]

93. I'm thinking the same thing

The Rethugs aren't going to want to sink Hillary. They're practically begging her to run, including Blankley.

[rinsd]

103. So why link her name at all?

Why not just hand this bonanza to the Moonies and be done with it?

But wouldn't it be great tactic to get the Obama is a some kind of Manchurian Muslim meme out there while simultaneously hurting Clinton with her base?

[sandnsea]

106. See #65

Possibly LeHane was hoping to build a relationship with this entity, figured they would be so glad to get the 'opposition research' that they would never tell where it came from. That's how it works, A LOT. This group decided to take them both down together and make a name for themselves that way.

So sure, your point of hurting both of them is likely correct. But did they lie about Hillary in the process?? We don't know.

The Clintons DO operate this way, btw.

[NoSheep]

59. No surprise here.

:-(

[Mass]

61. This is BS. I would not trust one word from this article.

[Grandrose]

62. I Do Not Believe This For One Minute

Looks like a HIT piece on both Senator Clinton and
Senator Obama. Sick piece of work and only the
beginning.

[jumpoffdaplanet]

63. This is a pile of crap

Someone own Ms. Clinton an apology.

Otherwise she should sue them for libel.

[bluewave]

67. I agree. If they published this falsely

a libel suit would be appropriate.

[Mass]

72. Why post this pile of crap full of unconfirmed info.

Do you not see that this is a hit job both on Obama and Hillary?

[bluewave]

81. We post unconfirmed info all the time

I've never seen a news discussion board that didn't. The members of DU are intelligent enough to draw their own conclusions without censorship.

[July]

Actually, "we" try to confirm info all the time.

However, "we" also analyze critically what we read here, not being content to accept something that's printed in any newspaper anywhere as gospel truth. So, talk about censorship if it makes you feel better, but don't be surprised when people question the already questionable source, smearing two Democrats without attribution of the smears. Nice little game if they can get away with it.

[MonkeyFunk]

68. Yet another

cheap smear against Senator Clinton.

Why does the Right Wing fear her so much? And why do so many Dems fall for it?

[iverglas]

78. If *this* is true -- the Wahhabist-school claim --

then Obama was a victim of abuse as a child. Duh. Denying children a real education in favour of hateful brain-washing is abuse, just as it is when fundamentalist Christians do it in North America.

Of course, it seems that it was not true, since he was attending school in the 1960s and there is no reason to think there was any Saudi/Wahhabist influence in Indonesian schools at the time. The school was Muslim because the society was Muslim, one might think, if one were a rational sort of person.

Imagine an Indonesian Muslim child living in the US with his/her parents in the 1960s and going to public schools. And now imagine a Wahhabist Muslim in 2007 accusing that grown-up child of being a fundamentalist Christian ... because, after all, US public schools in the 1960s were pretty much Christian.


I'd have to say that it's Obama's "personal relationship with Christ" that would trouble me ... since voting for delusional folks wouldn't be my first choice.


edit: btw, I detest Hillary Clinton, not that what little old Canadian me thinks matters anyhow. ;)

[bluewave]

I just don't think attending a Wahabbist school disqualifies

one from the Presidency. Especially since his politics seem quite normal.

[yankeeinlouisiana]

82. Well, according to this he attends Trinity United Church

of Christ. Sounds to me like someone is desperate.

http://obama.senate.gov/files/obama.bio.pdf

[xultar]

83. It's a hit piece. Thanks for letting me know! X

[SaveElmer]

84. You might want to take a quick look through the thread...

This is a Moonie Times hit piece!

[xultar]

85. WHEW. Thanks for posting this to let me know. I don't even know why

I went there. I do like Hillary. I will fight for her. She's not my choice right now cuz I'm a Clarkie and I'd also like Obama on the ticket.

[trumad]

95. This thread is full of stealth freepers.

Not you xultar...

This is how they do it folks.... Post shit like this and other freeps hop on and blast Hillary or any other dem...

It's tag team freeperisim and it's finest.

[bluewave]

97. You're right

only a Freeper could dislike Hillary. :eyes:

[trumad]

105. No===

Only a freeper would post bullshit from moonie rag and believe it

[annabanana]

124. I'm making a list, checking it twice. . .

gonna find out who's naughty or nice...

[Tatiana]

98. Call her cold. Call her calulating and manipulative. But don't call her stupid.

Hillary wouldn't authorize her camp to do anything this ignorant. Sounds like a smear job to me.

[greyl]

99. A headline with directions on how to feel about the story was the first clue. (disgusting)nt

[Sapphire Blue]

101. Jackpot!!! You managed to find something that attempts to smear both Obama AND Clinton!

From a sister publication to the Washington Times, no less! :puke:

[Alamom]

104. It's a twofer for the freeps. Obama went to school & Hillary

is telling.

Holyshit....it's going to be a long 22 months.

[Truthiness Inspector]

110. Hillary is not quoted in this

Until/unless she is, I'll consider this baseless.

[bigdarryl]

121. he said his step father was a atheist and wasn't religious

so this might be bullshit coming from Saint Hillary.plus even if it was true so what he isn't a Muslim now.and if true was a kid. maybe the stepfather forced him into the muslim religion . i keep telling DU'ers Hillary is POISON

[riderinthestorm]

123. This is bullshit but Obama better be prepared cause shit like this is right around the pike

as soon as Obama announces, black ops teams that have been working on his background for the past year will spring into action ready to defame.

Obama better be ready - this is what playing in the big time is like. He destroyed his Illinois Rethug opponent (the one before Keyes, Jack Ryan) by publishing his opponents' (supposedly sealed) divorce records that exposed kinky shit. Obama knows how to play hardball.

Let the games begin - the Dems are going to make sure they tear each other down and all the ugly shit is about to hit the brutality fan. Kerry redux - Swiftboat redux. I'm not slamming Hillary but she and her crew are ready to win, at all costs. It's the game. So whether this is true or not, it's indicative of hardball ahead.

[marmar]

125. What is the World Tribune?

Not saying that this is a fabrication, but I've never heard of it. There's all kinds of bullshit floating around on the Internets!

[wakemeupwhenitsover]

126. I'm going to lock this since the

original poster is no longer with us.

best,
wakeupwhenitsover
DU Moderator