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Aviation Pro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 01:40 PM
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Just finished reading Justin Franks' excellent analysis....
..."Bush on the Couch." I was going to put a comment into Amazon's site on the book and I ran into this piece of Freeptard bullshit:

Samrt Americans Flushed this book along with the Johns last year!, October 13, 2005
Reviewer: Angela Valentino "Americans Flushed The Johns and This Book in 2004" (Newport News, Va, USA-BUSH COUNTRY) - See all my reviews
Interesting that this book came out right before last years election. Also interesting is that the masses of Americans obviously didn't buy into it.

If you really think a man like Justin Frank can determine Pres. Bush without actually analyzing him, then you obviously beleive that Michael Moore's film was a real documentary and you probably think that Moore moved his movie from a documentary to a film on his own volition and not be cause the film industry was about to strip Moore's Fake-U-Mentary because of all the inconsistencies if not blatant lies in that film.

Besides, how many pyscho-therapists write books about people they have never treated? How many have written books on patients they have treated? They haven't and they can't. It's unethical and just another attempt to beat George Bush that backfired. Unfortunately, some people with poor juddgement still support books like this just like they still support garbage like Michael Moore's slice and dice, fake films.

But let's not try to confuse these 5 star reviewers living in la-la land with the truth. They want to beleive. They want it to be true so bad.

And kids want to belive in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny too.


Is there anything more pathetic than a "moran" from Rimjob's Freepretardpubic.com?

Comment here: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/0060736712/ref=cm_rev_next/102-2008100-5334547?ie=UTF8&customer-reviews.sort%5Fby=-SubmissionDate&n=283155&s=books&customer-reviews.start=31
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 01:47 PM
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1. I just wonder at the miracle of colonic stem cells having formed the content of their skulls.
Clearly, the adaptability of stem cells is demonstrated, even though resulting in some functional limitations.

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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 01:53 PM
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2. Actually, observation of a person's interpersonal skills, speech
patterns, affect etc. is sufficient to at least make a case for certain personality disorders. I read the excellent book "The Journalist and the Murderer" by Janet Malcom, written in response the Joe McGinnis book "Fatal Vision."

Convicted killer Jeffrey McDonald made several audiotapes of his story and his version of events while in prison. Evidently McDonald transcribed them and gave them to a psychiatrist. The psychiatrist gave them to his class and just about every one of the students came to the conclusion McDonald was a flaming narcissist.

Some things just jump out atcha. That's merely an easy one to pick up on. :shrug:
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 02:01 PM
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3. I suppose the Freeps would also say..
it was ok for Bill Frist to render a medical opinion on Terri Schiavo without ever having personally examined her?

As far as Justin Frank - there's a recent interview on Buzzflash:

Justin A. Frank, M.D., Author of "Bush on the Couch" Gets to the Heart of the Matter: We Have a Sociopath as President.

http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/node/1386/print

Here's what Frank has to say about applied psychoanalysis:

"Justin A. Frank, M.D.: There’s a long tradition of what’s called applied psychoanalysis. There’s an actual discipline of it. And what that is is the intense study of a historical figure or even of a fictional character in a novel, but an intense study of everything you can find when you can’t have that person in your consulting room, and then applying psychoanalytic principles to an understanding of their life history. One looks for patterns of behavior. One looks for congruencies in their life story that you can begin to see from different sources. And with the case of Bush, or in studying any historical figure, one looks at their own writings and their own behavior that’s available to the public at large. The other thing that makes it very useful to be able to study someone like Bush is the tremendous number of press conferences and public appearances that he’s made. There’s a lot of chance to observe him in public arenas."

So, STFU, Freepers!

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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 02:13 PM
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5. Frank is absolutely correct. Hubby is a psychiatrist/psychoanalyst
with a life-long interest in applied psychoanalysis. He's read many, many books on historical figures that focused on psychological profiles of the individual.

The freepers are only showing their ignorance--once again--when
they think that observations of Bush can't be correct because Bush hasn't sat down with an individual psychoanalyst.
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 05:20 PM
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6. Then could you please ask Hubby
how in the world we are to get the attention of the people with the power and/or the inclination to do something about this?

If there were a psychopathic serial killer loose in your community, law enforcement would spare no resource trying to capture that individual. And the news media would assure that the entire community was alerted. Well, this is like that - only worse. Unfortunately, when I talk about Bush being a psychopath (sociopath, if you will), people seem to think I'm using the term as an epithet.

George Bush has been responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people and the maiming of tens of thousands. He meets the diagnostic criteria for being a psychopath, IMHO. (I'm aware that "sociopath" is the preferred term, currently. It's my understanding that there's a push toward including "psychopathy" in the DSM-V when it's published.) I'd be in favor of that.
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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 05:31 PM
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7. People (Joe average) are not going to pay attention until their
Edited on Fri Jan-19-07 05:37 PM by mnhtnbb
lives are affected in some way.

The reason more people were in the streets protesting Vietnam was personal: there was a draft and anyone could be required to serve.

We don't have a draft now, so the Iraq war isn't personal. The only thing that would get people's attention now, beyond terror strikes in their neighborhoods, is likely to be economic.

Hubby feels we won't see a revolt against the Bushies until we have tough economic times. Your average person doesn't believe the elections of 2000 and 2004 were stolen nor do they believe the Bushies either let 9/11 or helped 9/11 to happen. They believe Bush was duly elected and only exercising the prerogatives of the office of President.

Plus, if you believe Bush is sociopathic, that suggestes you need to take some action. What is an individual going to do? If by taking to the streets you put yourself and family at risk, is that wise? Being put into the position of having to change your own behavior is difficult; people will resist changing their beliefs so they don't have to change their behavior.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 02:09 PM
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4. I thought this comment from Dr. Franks was precise and consistent
with what we are dealing with.


A BUZZFLASH INTERVIEW
I think what he (Bush) does is he turns everybody who disagrees with him into his father. It doesn’t matter whether it’s actually the concrete representation of his father, like Baker, or the voters who vote against staying in Iraq. We have become his father. We are the people he is now defying. He will turn everybody, any authority, anybody who disagrees with him, into a father figure who he’d have to defy. -- Justin A. Frank, M.D.
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