My neighbors have nothing to eat.

[EFerrari]

(thanks to bobbolink for getting me off my lazy @ss)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x3164833


Saturday January 19, 2007

Today on my way to our neighborhood store, I noticed
my neighbor was sitting out on the sidewalk. I’d
recently heard that his wife was diagnosed with
cancer. They are a 60ish, mixed race couple, both
seem to be involved with alcohol and our block has
gotten used to the sound of sirens as ambulances go to
their Section 8 apartment at least twice a month.

They are fragile looking people. Today, sitting on
the sideway, my neighbor looked dazed and he seemed
more sober than he might want to be.

I asked how things were going. He said, not too good.
I asked, have you guys eaten today. He said, no. We
ate on Thursday. Today is Saturday.

This is San Francisco. My neighbor is sitting a
block away from a busy tourist thoroughfare. He’s
probably not sixty but today he looks much older. I
buy them a bag of groceries I can’t afford and get my
phone out.

First I called the San Francisco Chronicle. I used to
have a friend there that covered the poverty beat.
But today I talk to someone new. An editor who can’t
understand why this couple can’t take care of
themselves. “But, have they asked for help?” “But,
couldn’t the money they spent on alcohol feed them”?
“I’m not understanding what you mean.”

I finally tell her, come out and look at their faces
and decide for yourself. When you are that
overwhelmed, you can’t move. You need a hand. Let me
give you my name and number in case you understand
later. I can wait although, I don’t know if my
neighbors can.

She really didn’t understand that there have been
maybe 25 professional people who’ve interacted with
this couple in that last few weeks who should have
known they would need help because they were having
trouble fending for themselves. Doctors, nurses,
intake administrators, EMTS, firemen, police,
landlords, neighbors. Who am I leaving out?

So much for human interest at my local paper.

Okay. So then, I called a string of city hall numbers
(none of them manned) and then a string of charities.

I hope someone calls me back. It’s hard enough to be
poor or alcoholic or to be dealing with cancer.
Having all three happen at the same time would
overwhelm anyone. This is Saturday, so it will take
time for someone to call me back. I don’t know if I
have enough in my account to feed us all until Monday
morning.

And I want to know that our people, here in the Paris
of the Pacific, have something more than my light
wallet that we can count on. I want to know, as I sit
here in this $400,ooo dollar condo, that there is a
logic to the way we apportion our resources, whether
we’re talking about empathy or taxes. I want to know
that my neighbors will eat this week and not go hungry
on our ever more genteel block. This is our
neighborhood and it’s ours to keep or to lose. Or
maybe, ours to fight for.

(Sent to OpEdNews AND to the San Francisco Chronicle)



"You've got a smile so bright, you know you could've been a
candle." Andy Stephenson 1963 - 2005

[Fierce]

1. What was the news you wanted the paper to cover?

nt

[EFerrari]

2. This is a situation in San Francisco that is constantly denied by our Mayor.

Yes, it needs to be attended to.

[The Backlash Cometh]

108. If a poor person can't get off the couch, it's called laziness.

If a rich person can't get off the couch, someone calls for an intervention.

The double-standard of our society.

[EFerrari]

116. Yep. Those lazy cancer patients. What the f is the matter with them.

:(

[Morgana LaFey]

189. It MAY be called...

overwhelm, as sfexpat pointed out, which can render people helpless.

It MAY be called physically/mentally dazed and confused (from alcoholism, hunger).

It MAY be called flat out of hope.

It MAY be called lack of understanding about what resources might be available -- who to call or what to do.

It MAY be called pride -- asking for help is very difficult for many Americans.

It MAY be called dementia (e.g., Alzheimers), which confers an inability to formulate a plan as just one of its many cognitive-impairing symptoms.

It MAY be called fear of encountering heartless, compassionless assholes.

It MAY be called a lot of things.

[EFerrari]

192. I have such mixed feelings today. Why don't I know where our local

food pantry is? Because I've never needed it. Memememememe.

Considering that the Resident is actively homicidal, I want to figure out a list of things: where people can get food, shelter and medical care around here. There's so much I've never needed to know. But laying in an emergency supply just for this household isn't good enough. Oh, geeze.

[Little Wing]

9. Let's see

They could cover the fact that even though rich Americans love to slam socialized healthcare in other countries as lacking in the 'best' quality care, they always leave out the argument that even some care is better than nothing, and that the 'best' care is still available to those who can afford it.

They could cover the fact that this person's cancer treatment could be treated or at least some pain medication could be provided at a fractional cost of the war in Iraq
177 Million a day/ 24/60 = 123,000 dollars. You think that might cover it? One minute? If the cancer had been caught early with regular socialized screenings, the cost would go down to 5 seconds of the Iraq War.

Or they could cover the fact that while we're funneling Billions into Iraq to hopefully create jobs there so the insurgents won't blow up our troops, we're spending next to nothing on our own people.

Or they could cover the fact that the Bush Administration rewrote the rules of unemployment tracking before the 2004 election so people who have been without jobs longer than 13 weeks no longer count as unemployed because "they stopped looking for work" - they were also denied further assistance.

[Fierce]

15. Yeah, the sad things is...

...I've seen stories like those on the wires over the last four years, and no one cares.

[EFerrari]

19. I think people care and I think a lot of people are just too stessed out

to make their concern heard.

That's our challenge. It was for me today. DUer bobbolink helped me get over myself and take action.

Thank you, bobbolink. I owe you.

[Little Wing]

23. It's true, it happens every damn day

Healthcare costs are way up, and nobody seems to give a damn.

I wasn't going to mention it, but the built-in spellchecker for Firefox considers "healthcare" a typo.

It's really depressing.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

3. When you fed them,

you fed God. Truly whatsoever you do to the least of these, you do unto Me. Insh'llah others will come to their aid as well.

[EFerrari]

5. Let the word go out. This is how we make it happen.

I believe in our community.

:hug:

[aquart]

7. Mathew 25:31-46

31 "When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory.
32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.
33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34 "Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.
35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in,
36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'
37 "Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink?
38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you?
39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?'
40 "The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'
41 "Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink,
43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.'
44 "They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?'
45 "He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'
46 "Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."

[Porcupine]

148. I don't recognize the text you're quoting; Is it in the Bible?

Because most of the followers of Jeebus I have met don't exhibit a single behavior that would follow that text.

It's more like "and thou shalt kick the man who layeth in the road and set thy dogs on him for his site offends those who are wealthy and rightous with the lord."- G. Bush, any given day.

Merry Christmas.

[colorado_ufo]

163. Yes, it most certainly is.

Find it using the location, in Matthew, quoted in the subject line.

[Patiod]

184. (porcupine is being sarcastic)

He's just pointing out that many self-styled "Christians" wouldn't know Matthew 25 if they were beaten over the head with it.

Many of the Christians I know from work and from my own church live by it, but many, many others do not.

[EFerrari]

198. (porcupine has a very sharp wit. I'd be loathe to see him angry)

lol

[colorado_ufo]

207. Egg on face!

That's what I get for squeezing DU into the wee hours of the morning. Re-read the post, and very funny! And ouch!

[aquart]

4. Call state agencies. Your state assemblyman, especially.

Call your state senator's office, too. If the city isn't awake, give a state rep an issue. Try your local TV stations, too.

And God bless you.

[EFerrari]

6. Mark Leno. Good idea.

:)

It's the damn weekend, though. Well, let's see how we do.

[napi21]

8. I'm on the other side of the country from you, and I don't have much either.

Isn't therre a shelter there somewhere? I've never been to SF, but all the large cities I've ever lived in have several shelter where people can atleast get some food.

[EFerrari]

13. This couple is ailing and not spring chickens. I have to find someone

to come to them.

We will find someone. I guess I'm sort of aghast (again) at how so many people looked at them and just didn't see them.

The poor are invisible.

[NMMNG]

132. People saw them

They just ignored them. To actually look at them would bring on all of that cognitive dissonance that causes such great discomfort, and people don't want to be uncomfortable.

[EFerrari]

142. It's very hard. I have a neighbor who is homeless and who sits

on my morning route to the beach. He is Keith. He sits in a wheelchair and he is part of our hood.

I take my puppy to him every morning so he can pet her and so she can be petted by him. I feel pretty helpless to do more. I've checked it out and Keith is doing what he wants to do.

Keith isn't easy to look at. He's not cute and young, and his clothes are rumpled and there's the wheel chair. But he's basically our roomy. The neighborhood has adopted him. The cops don't cite him. If he should change his mind and decide to do something else, I bet some of us would help him get what he wants.

But, it's not easy. This is a tourist area and retailers worry that people like Keith will scare off tourists. (Won't happen). The thing that heartens me is that our retailers are more concerned about Keith than they are burned about him.

It's not much but it's a start.

[NMMNG]

162. Retailers (and city officials) are always more worried

about what effect the homeless will have on the appearance of the area than how the homeless can be helped. Sadly homeless people sometimes even get ejected from churches. :-(

[EFerrari]

200. By and large, San Francisco is that way. But there are small efforts

being made in neighborhoods. Out here on Ocean Beach, we're lucky insofar as the neighbors who retail here are most of them in recovery! Isn't that awesome? So, they tend to balance their business needs with their recovery ethic. I think we could get something going out here. :)

From churches here, I don't know. I pretty muched dropped out after I learned that one of my dearest uncles had been sexually abused and that the Church just denied it and villified him. But, maybe I should rethink that -- because it cuts me off from a huge network of good people in the congregation.

It's a balancing act, isn't it?

:hug: to you, Buffy.

[renate]

155. would Meals on Wheels bring them some food?

Enrolling them in that program might be faster than dealing with a government bureaucracy, and it'd be a nice start at least.

[druidity33]

167. my first thought too... nt

[Carni]

35. I have heard that shelters are worse than just dealing on your own

I have no idea but some people we helped a couple of years back said that the shelters are so dangerous that they would rather just crash on the streets...granted that was not in San Francisco.

Bless you OP we should all be as caring!

[EFerrari]

42. I have also heard people express similar fears about shelters

but I don't enough about it.

This couple has an apartment but they need a hand.

[LeftyMom]

104. Shelters are a great place to go to get robbed, raped or infected with TB.

Everybody I know who's spent time homeless says to stay as far away from them as possible.

[NMMNG]

135. Not all of them are that bad

I worked in a family shelter many years ago and it was nothing like that. Granted it wasn't in a large city (it was a small city) so maybe it wasn't typical.

[EFerrari]

140. Doug stayed in a shelter for some weeks and he didn't worry about those

things.

What did happen was the few possesions he had were tossed because he couldn't get back to the shelter in time to retrieve them.

On the other hand, he's 6'5" and 300 lbs.

[Porcupine]

157. Too bad he's not a dog......

I've heard the dog pound in SF has individual rooms with color tv's in each room for the pet. Maybe you can convince them they are large dogs.

We take better care of our pets than our neighbors in the US. I'm sure that I could find pet spa's and duck based pet food in SF as well as several pet bakeries.

Goddess give us the mercy we surely do not deserve.

[PinkyisBlue]

164. Sorry, but many homeless animals end up being euthanized.

There are millions of unwanted and homeless cats, dogs and other animals. Many end up in shelters and, if not adopted, are euthanized. I'm certain that the animal shelter in SF doesn't have a color tv for each dog. Most pounds don't have a lot of excess funds, at least the good ones don't.

It's not a question of assisting the poor vs. assisting homeless animals. In a humane society, they ALL should receive the necessary help.

[EFerrari]

190. I also worked with a neighbor yesterday who was trying to place

a beautiful four month old puppy without resorting to a shelter and got to meet some people from Rocket Dog Rescue. They were cool!

One of those days. :crazy:

[CurtEastPoint]

10. You did the right thing, and that takes courage.

I live in Atlanta and we have the same situations here. I guess it's America. Hell, it's the world. I never know what to do. I get so mad... why can't they take care of themselves, I ask myself. Then I think, there but for the grace of God go I. And yes, I recall that verse quoted by aquart, from Matthew. If we each do some part, we can hopefully inspire others to do the same. We are here to help one another. You're a good person.

[EFerrari]

17. Curt, most people don't want other people messing in their lives, you know?

If this couple could take care of themselves, they would in a heart beat. But, there's just too much load. Poverty, racisim, cancer, alcohollism. My God. If I had to bear all of that, you'd probably be reading about me in the obits tomorrow.

[Blue Belle]

134. Factor in some depression and anxiety in there...

and it's no wonder you found him sitting on the curb in a daze. Your nieghbor is lucky to have someone like you sfexpat2000. I hope you can find them some help. Giving even when you can barely afford to give to yourself - that's commendable. You are my hero. :hug:

[brer cat]

82. Hi Curt! I grew up in East Point

and lived there later when my elderly parents needed assistance.

Welcome to DU.:hi:

I agree with your post, too.

[Warpy]

11. That new poverty beat editor

probably worked her way through J school and that makes her think she knows what poverty is. I hear it from a lot of students, "Oh, I work and I live on Top Ramen and I barely have enough for a couple of beers every weekend, blah blah blah."

That's a far cry from being over 40 and not making it, of having so many doors of opportunity slammed in your face that you've given up knocking and don't trust it when somebody like a social worker, nurse, EMT, cop, or landlord opens one a crack. It's a far cry from having all the clothing you wore at your last decent job fall to rags and have to wear used clothing and advertise to everybody that you're poor and watch their faces click you into that "worthless failure" category as they turn away. It's a far cry from year upon year of misery and hopelessness and the only way to cope is to numb out with alcohol or drugs and those things make it all much worse, but at least it's given you a few hours of peace.

Newspapers ought to ensure that the poverty beat is covered only by people who had been truly poor, themselves, not by bright young things from J school who think the temporary penury of a college student is the real thing.

[EFerrari]

16. That's exactly why I sent this to Robert Rosenthal.

He is a human being and now the managing editor of our Chron. He will get it, instantly.

You know, this gap between Junior's base and the rest of us is only going to get worse for a while.

[Clark2008]

70. Um, most papers don't even HAVE a "poverty" beat.

This may not be true in large, large cities, but even medium-sized cities are lucky to have a health/human services beat.

[EFerrari]

75. My friend got multiple awards for his reporting on homelessness and poverty.

And if our mid-sized and small town papers don't, why the hell don't they?!

[Oeditpus Rex]

133. It eats into the profits (n/t)

[EFerrari]

139. No kidding. It eats into the big money,

Newspapers are killing themselves by behaving as if their audience is more cash cow than reader.

They will have to correct their behavior soon because the people are leaving them in droves.

[Oeditpus Rex]

158. More like trickles

The internets haven't had the effect on circulation that some would have us think. Circulation is down, but it's been down every year since 1976. There haven't been any huge dips since... I think it was the late '80s. Small-town papers are generally keeping pace, since there are few alternatives for local news.

The industry has embraced the internets, but it's barely begun to really grasp the extent to which "e-journalism" can be utilized. Most newspaper CEOs/publishers/upper-level editors are quite obtuse about making any sort of major change. This is changing, though, and will continue to change as younger people assume these roles.

A 50-cent newspaper is still the biggest bargain on the planet, but it's becoming less so as editorial staffs are slashed to the bare essentials and wire copy used more and more to fill ever-shrinking news holes to preserve a 20-percent profit margin.

[EFerrari]

159. The Chronicle was eviscerated about a year ago

while the managing editor was negotiating with me for a family mental health column. Oops.


And as for their connectivity with the internets. I work the ERD daily thread once a week. I'm just a person with a computer. The Chronicle reporter tasked with covering our special election posted to their site that the special election in CA had gone just fine. Well, the hour I spent looking for news told me otherwise. So, I responded to his post that no, some shady stuff had been reported in San Diego.

He should have known that much faster than I did. This guy isn't a hack. He's a very careful person. I can't tell you how good a reporter he is because I'm in no position to judge that. It was just weird to see this cheery report when in just the hour I spent looking, all kinds of problems were being reported. Eventually, after months, the paper reports what I found during that hour that I was putting together that thread.

Their problem isn't going away.

[ninkasi]

122. You speak as a person

of great compassion. You are right, too. Why does so much of society look down on the poor? I can't believe that people deliberately choose to be poor, and hungry, and without hope. Ours has become a very brutal society, a very ugly place, and I don't recognize my country any more.

For a country as wealthy as ours, it's not too much to ask that the most vulnerable members of society are cared for.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

205. Oh god yes, please spare me from the ramen-eating grad students!

Great post, Warpy. That I've encountered this clueless attitude more than once on these lefty blogs is more than a little disheartening. Look, I know nothing of poverty and wouldn't presume to judge those who do. I spent my late teens and early 20s in the military, as an enlisted person. Those $200 bi-monthly paychecks didn't leave much room for luxuries. But I did get free room and board (such as it was) and medical and dental care. I was also young and healthy. I knew this was a temporary situation and that the training I was getting would lead to promotions and other opportunities. I cannot imagine, at age 38, struggling to get by on minimum wage, let alone with a family.

Oh, and SCREW that poverty editor! :grr: Gee, I bet neither she nor anyone she knows ever unwinds with a few glasses of wine or some other substance, smokes a cigarette, or engages in any other unhealthy habit. Yeah, they all have homes and food and healthcare because they are such pious pinnacles of clean living and moral fortitude. :sarcasm:

That meme of the poor spending all their money on booze and cigarettes is getting really old. I hear it all the time and very often from so-called progressives trying to justify yet another "sin" tax increase. These people seriously believe that hiking up the prices of these things will cause the poor to quit and join a healthclub or something. They just don't get it.

[jody]

12. I share your concern but some people, perhaps not those you cite, are simply not capable of

providing for them self.

Should society force people like that to live in a quasi prison where society provides food, clothing, shelter, and minimum health care perhaps for the rest of their lives?

[EFerrari]

14. Why don't we feed them for a few days so they can think about that

and give us a considered response? :)

[jody]

30. OK but sometimes people in their 60s have already been through such cycles. n/t

[EFerrari]

36. So, they should stop eating then? I think I'm not understanding you.

These two people clearly can't take care of themselves and they need the community to be a community.

There is a woman dying of cancer who has nothing to eat in my neighborhood.

[jody]

52. I'll pay more than my share to help needy people but I want my dollars spent wisely.

I don't believe society can just give "some people" dollars and trust them to spend it on the basics.

I don't know the people you cite but they could be like that.

For such people, including friends of mine, the only way society can provide for their basic needs is to place them in an institution. My problem with that approach is it limits or takes away a person's basic freedom.

I'm not familiar with California's programs but I thought a progressive state like it would have programs that took care of people who could not or would not care for them self.

I'm not judgmental, just ignorant of your state's programs for the needy.

[Cleita]

21. There is no reason for anyone, anywhere to go hungry in a

country that produces surpluses of food. There is no reason for anyone to go without health care in a country that could furnish quality health care to everyone if they only could get the corporate money grabbers out of the business. Healthcare shouldn't be a business anyway, but a service for those who need it.

[jody]

33. I don't agree because one reason is that some people need to be cared for like a child. n/t

[EFerrari]

40. What does that mean to you, jody?

Some people are disabled. Do we just cut them loose? What do you think should happen? :)

[jody]

56. I don't know the answer but possibly an institution is appropriate. I'm speaking as a taxpayer and

concerned citizen who wants to help the needy but wants to be sure my dollars are spent wisely.

[EFerrari]

90. They haven't asked for anything. I just observed that they aren't eating.

So, I don't think our tax money is at risk at this moment.

[jody]

97. I understand, but since the couple is one instance of a very large problem, I wonder how should

society help such people?

Provide money,

Provide food,

Provide meals,

Provide care in an institution

I'm disappointed that California as a progressive state doesn't have programs to help such people.

[EFerrari]

121. First we have to stop thinking of them as "such people".

How far away are you from being in need?

I don't ask this to be unkind. But, thinking of people in need as "something else" isn't really helpful to coming up with solutions, is it? :)

[jody]

168. Sorry if my use of the phrase "such people" offended you. What phrase do you recommend? n/t

[EFerrari]

183. No offense, jody. I guess I just don't see this as a "them/us"

situation. I've been "them", lol.

[jody]

201. I understand, thanks and may good fortune fall like gentle rain on all your fields.

:hi:

[EFerrari]

206. Thank you. I wish you the best as well.

:hi:

[Cleita]

60. And what is wrong with that?

What if you went to war and came back with your legs and/or arms missing. You too would have to be cared for like a child.

By your reasoning we should starve the whole White House because they are as useless of human beings we will ever find in a long time.

[jody]

66. Nothing wrong with that. I've comrades from Vietnam with wounds more horrible than you describe.

IMO society provides less than minimum care for their service.

I believe that war wounds are different than the myriad of other ills that cause people to be needy in today's culture.

I'm torn between placing some people in an institution because that's the most efficient way to provide for their basic needs and leaving them free.

i don't know the answer but I continue to give to charities that spend nearly 100% of donations given to them in helping the needy.

[Cleita]

68. Charities are the problem.

Government is abdicated of the responsibility of caring for it's citizens when they let charity take over. Charity cannot cover everyone and every problem so many fall through the cracks. Charity must spend money fund raising that could be used for the needy.

People wouldn't really have to go to institutions if the government had programs so that those people who can't take care of themselves could be cared for by family with professional help for what they can't do themselves and monetary help for the additional expenses.

[jody]

73. Ok, but how do you know the couple cited in the OP has family to care for them.

If they do not have such a family, what do you propose?

[Cleita]

100. If they don't then they need another solution.

However, the way things are today, there isn't even one solution for these kinds of problems. It's true some may have to be institutionalized, but maybe that's not an awful thing when it's last resort. At the very least they should be able to get meal tickets. Food stamps just don't work for some dysfunctional people, but I believe many fast food restaurants and coffee shops would accept meal tickets for people to get something to eat if social services approved of them, but we don't have such a program.

[jody]

114. Thanks for the exchange. Have a peaceful evening.

:hi:

[Cleita]

18. It seems that today the burden of taking care of the least of us

has fallen to those who are barely able to make ends meet themselves like yourself and myself. It's really not fair and it doesn't help people like your neighbors who really need a village to help them out. What you did regardless was very kind of you and I hope that you will have sparked some humanity in those government and corporate entities that you tried to get involved in this.

[EFerrari]

20. I wield a pretty mean phone, Cleita. Lots of calls out.

But of course, the solution to this isn't only individual action but community action.

I hope we do better, soon. :(

[Cleita]

24. Yes, we do. I posted an article in the California column about

what a nurse things of Arnold's health plan for his corporate cronies if you want to take a look at it.

[HockeyMom]

22. Church Food Pantries

Been there, done that with two young kids at the time. These churches are open 7 days a week. They have them here in NY. They don't in SF? It doesn't matter what religion or lack thereof you are. In my experience, they don't ask or preach their religion. They depend solely on contributions from the congregation. I would go and they would give me a week's worth of food for a family of 4. When my husband finally got as job, the first thing I did was make a donation to this food pantry. They literally save our lives.

Try the local churches first. Social Services and their red tape will take a very, very long time.

[EFerrari]

26. Thank you, HockeyMom! This lapsed Catholic didn't even think of that.

:hug:

[Gormy Cuss]

29. Also try the SF Foodbank

They may have a distribution point not far from your neighborhood.
http://www.sffoodbank.org/programs/neighborhood_grocery_network.html

[EFerrari]

37. Thanks! I know more about roofs than groceries.

:hi:

[JerseygirlCT]

45. yeah, someone's sure to be checking the answering machines

between today and tomorrow, too.

I know even in my town, a message like that would have my rector hopping to finding some solution.

[EFerrari]

51. I didn't try any churches today -- I guess that's a measure of how far I am

from church. But I did leave many messages and will try again in the morning. DUers on this thread have given me great referrals. :loveya:

[Ecumenist]

93. SFExpat...

Give Glide Memorial a ring. This church is ALL ABOUT HELPING THE POOR AND THE HELPLESS...Site-www.GLIDE.ORG.. telephone number is 415.674.6080. I live in Sacramento but my brother is attending graduate School at San Francisco State and I've spent many lovely days there. I KNOW they'll help. They catuall have volunteers who carry meals to the needy.

[EFerrari]

98. You bet I will.

:hug:

[EFerrari]

196. I did call and there was someone THERE and he helped me.

It will still be tomorrow, but that's okay. I made a deal with our grocer for today.

I love DU. What a gift and education you all are. :hug:

[kineneb]

202. that was going to be my suggestion as well

Rev. Cecil and crowd will be able to help, especially with food.

[nam78_two]

25. K&R.nt

[EFerrari]

27. Thank you.

[Swamp Rat]

28. k&r

:hug: sfexpat2000

[EFerrari]

34. Swampy, my friend.

:hug:

[CorpGovActivist]

31. SF Foodbank Info/Supermarket Managers/Food Distributors

Thank you for speaking up, and for acting.

Please give these folks a call on Monday: http://www.sffoodbank.org/

At least one of their programs seems geared toward people 60+: http://www.sffoodbank.org/get_food.html

Meanwhile, you might also try calling the on-duty manager of your local supermarket. Explain the situation to him/her, and ask if s/he has the ability to spare a gift card for $100. Many stores run promotions with giveaways, and it's not uncommon for store managers to have a few of these lying around at any given time.

If the supermarket closest to you says no, work outwards in a concentric ring.

Another step you might take is to contact the major foodservice distributors, and ask if you can come by their warehouse to pick up "damaged" goods (again, explain the situation):

Sysco: http://www.sysco.com/map/map.asp (click on the CA map for SF locations, phone numbers, local websites, etc.)

U.S. Foodservice: http://www.usfoodservice.com/usf/html/locations.html (ditto)

Please let us know if you run into roadblocks (or success).

- Dave

[EFerrari]

39. Thank you, Dave! This is what I couldn't find today.

:woohoo:

[CorpGovActivist]

41. Also Try Craigslist SF...Read This Heartbreaking Ad

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/vol/265815713.html

Please do let us at DU know if it would help to call with a "thank you chorus" to those in the SF area who say "yes" to your request for help.

- Dave

[EFerrari]

43. I will definitely post follow up. It's really important, imho, to acknowledge

right actions. :thumbsup:

[CorpGovActivist]

50. Your Favorite Restaurants' Managers...

... are also in a good position to help you here.

If you are a frequent diner at a particular restaurant or two, you should call them up, and ask if they would consider letting you add on to their order, at wholesale prices, for this needy family.

With any luck, they might just offer to tack on some basics, without asking you to offset.

- Dave

[EFerrari]

59. Interesting idea. But I have no clue really about the requirements of this

family -- i.e., are they diabetic and so on. But, sure, there are calls I could make in that direction.

Damn, Dave, you're good. :evilgrin:

[CorpGovActivist]

63. Local Hospital Dieticians...

... are also remarkably well-versed in navigating the relief system.

If you get hold of a dietician affiliated with a major teaching hospital, ask him/her if s/he has coupons for free cases of Ensure.

- Dave

[EFerrari]

117. UCSF is just up the hill but I don't know anyone in that field.

Or, I don't yet. :evilgrin:

[pennylane100]

32. What about Meals on Wheels

They deliver meals to the elderly and to those who are handicapped.

[EFerrari]

38. No one home today. I will keep trying.

[troubleinwinter]

79. Meals on Wheels came to my mind, also,

I worked with a number of elders who were helped by MOW some years ago. Problem is that MOW (like everyone else) are stretched thin these days, and it can take some time to get into their program.

Reminds us to give a little to these orgs, and/or VOLUNTEER to drive a coupla hours a week! That's all it takes, and you'll meet some wonderful, valuable people.

[EFerrari]

103. I'm not sure that these two are old enough to qualify as seniors.

It's hard to tell because they both are involved with alcohol. :(

But, I left a message there, too, today because what the heck. All they can say is no. :silly:

[troubleinwinter]

111. Yeah, I wondered about that too.

I took it partly as kinda an opportunity to remind people of Meals On Wheels and that one can donate just a few hours a week to helping elders to remain living in their homes.

May not have helped the specific couple in your neighborhood, but might help DUers to assist in their own areas.

As for leaving a message as you did... ya never know... maybe they'll have a good 'lead' for ya!

Fingers crossed & best thoughts to you and your neighbors.

[EFerrari]

113. Thanks, trouble. This is a pretty cool block as city blocks go.

We have three great retailers and some surfers, some working people, some retired people, some painters. I bet we can figure it out.

[illinoisprogressive]

44. I've been poor and no one cares about you if you don't have money.

[EFerrari]

48. And that's just why, when we have a leg up, we need to build our

neighborhoods.

:hug:

[JerseygirlCT]

46. Can I just say?

With all you've already got on your plate, you're a real hero. A model, I hope.

[EFerrari]

55. The thing is, JerseyGirl, these are my neighbors. I'm not really

looking for trouble that I know of,lol.

These are people in my neighborhood. I can't sit with this.

[JerseygirlCT]

65. It's just that, if everyone decided not to "sit with this"

we'd all be in a whole lot better place, you know?

I think we're really lacking communities these days. I think that's a big part of the attraction to places like this, but we need not to let that slip IRL.

We need more people like you, who think to check in on their neighbors and worry about them.

I know those people are out there -- but we need many more.

[EFerrari]

74. Or maybe we just need to hook up with them.

:)

[ninkasi]

124. You know what, sfexpat2000?

I'm half a continent away, but they are my neighbors too, in a way. We have to look at things that way, in order to make this country a decent country to live in. I know it is for those who have few problems, and much money, but for people with many problems, and little money, it's a disaster.

You are really a special person, and very well could be the driving force in getting this couple enough help to at least get them past what must be the darkest time of their lives. You are an angel.O8) This is for you, and all those who gave you suggestions for help.:grouphug:

[EFerrari]

127. Great, wonderful and very smart suggestions on this thread.

I love you guys. Really needed your help today.

:grouphug:

[LibraLiz1973]

47. The dichotomy of the entire situation is awful

Your living in a condo worth almost a 1/2 a million dollars and you can barely afford groceries.
They are clearly living in the same neighborhood and literally can't afford to eat for 3-4 days a week.
Your trying to help them but no one you have talked to yet cares to help.

Can I suggest that you talk to some of your neighbors? I'd go door to door.
Take empty grocery bags with you and ask each neighbor if they can donate a few cans of
soup, some bread, peanut butter, tuna, produce, beverages etc.

Chances are if you ask people will gladly give you what they can. Very few people
have the stomach to watch people suffer. Your neighbors (and you) may have been blinded
to the situation up until this point, but once you know the situation... it seems likely
you can at least get them some FOOD.

Edit:

I noticed someone else mentioned calling restaurants= its a great idea.
I know alot of bagel places have to throw all the extra bagels away at the end of the day.
You might want to try there first. Bagels are great to freeze & throw in a toaster whenever!

[EFerrari]

105. I'm going through a divorce and when my partner left, so did my job

so, for now, I'm on a shoestring but it is truly nuts.

And it is Saturday, so that means all those strapped social services and other orgs were machines today, mostly. I left messages all over.

I want to tread carefully with my neighbors so that the next time and the time after that they will know I won't ask them for something they can't do -- tempting as it is to just start knocking on doors.

I don't know. There are many good referrals and suggestions in this thread. Thank you guys.

[LibraLiz1973]

126. To be fair

If you had not been the one to notice & one of your neighbors came and told you and gave you the opportunity to help, wouldn't you be glad they told you? I think asking for food instead of money may also be an easier "sell" so to speak. (I hate putting it that way but nothing else is coming to mind)

That's just my opinion of course.



FWIW sorry about the divorce. Keep the faith- things really DO get better.

Your on the right track here and I think your doing a good thing.

[EFerrari]

130. More and more, I think the most important work we can do is local.

Local like, on our block. We have been divided and conquered to the point where we don't know our neighbors and may even be afraid of them.

If we're going to turn this country around, that's the first thing, imho, that must change


I've tried hard to get to know my neighbors, all of them, including my homeless neighbors that sleep at the edges of Golden Gate park. This is my community, where my heart is. I will not be afraid to walk in my neighborhood at any hour because this is my home.

There is, right now, a bunker mentality here. If I went door to door asking for cans, I believe my neighbors would be afraid -- maybe because their own situation is too nearly similar, too precarious too. I have to think about this.

And, yes. I would be grateful for the opportunity to do SOMETHING if someone else were to ask me. But then, I'm an out there, extended family Latina type who puts family and community first.

There's a lovely kind of freedom that comes when you figure out what is important to you.

:)

Thanks for your feedback, LibraLiz. I really needed it.

[Jcrowley]

49. K&R

[EFerrari]

118. That's a great banner.

lol

[redacted]

53. In SF you are either rich or poor. And it seems the city does not have the

will to fix (or even acknowledge) the fact.

Well the poor acknowledge it, they live it. But the doctors and lawyers and tech workers just blithely go their merry way -- thinking how blessed they are to live here.

And they live next door to Richmond/Oakland.

We live in one of the last few places where there is a middle class in the Bay area, and even here they are moving out in droves.

It's awful.

It's the thing I hate most about the place I love the most.

[EFerrari]

92. I get cramps when our Mayor keeps denying there is a problem here.

But, don't get me started. This is a beautiful place. I love it so much. It would be more beautiful if it were more humane.

[diane in sf]

125. I agree

because if you are middle class here you are essentially poor.

[Sapphire Blue]

54. Way too many of our neighbors have nothing to eat.

Too many just don't see it, too many look away, close their eyes to another's pain.

Thank you for seeing, and doing something about what you've seen.

:hug: :loveya: :hug:

[EFerrari]

57. I can't tell you how hard I'm trying not to be mad but to be effective.

Does that make sense?

:hug::loveya::hug:

[Sapphire Blue]

61. There is such a thing as righteous anger... which can motivate one to be effective.

:toast: to righteous anger!

[MADem]

58. That sad story reminds me of another one, many decades ago

I lived in a city apartment when I was a college student, living hand to mouth. This old lady who lived on the top floor of my building (old, old, OLD....it took her an hour to climb the stairs and there was no elevator) was on a very fixed income and her costs weren't keeping pace with inflation. I realized this when I was behind her in line at the grocery around the corner, and she was buying four cans of cat food (five cents each) and a box of saltines (about thirty some odd cents) and she didn't have enough money because the saltines had gone up a cent or two. I dug in my pocket and came up with the pennies.

But here's the thing. She didn't HAVE a cat.

So here I am, damn near as poor as she was, but young and strong at the time, so I got out of the grocery line, because I "forgot a few things" and put some of my stuff back and went to the cheap-o soup aisle, got some assorted soups, got some cheap ass potted meats, got a bag of oranges, a loaf of bread, stick of butter, and stuff of that nature. Nothing fancy, and certainly the cheapest brands. Then I went back to my apartment house, up to her floor, put the bag on the floor, knocked and left.

I bought that poor old lady a bag of groceries every time I shopped. And I was pretty much living on five cent boxes of spaghetti, bags of cheap fruit in season, and jello. But once I knew her circumstances, I couldn't ignore them. And back then, social services were shit--you pretty much had to go to churches and so forth--this was well before "Meals on Wheels" and those kinds of elder services.

She died a month before I moved out. In an odd way, I was relieved, because I didn't want to leave her without resources, and I had no money to send to her, and there was no one to call to get her help, really. Here's the weird thing--aside from the odd and very rare "Good morning" in the hall, we never spoke. She pretty much kept to herself, demonstrated that she was unwilling to get into any detailed conversations, was a bit fearful as the neighborhood was kind of iffy, and never had any visitors. She didn't even have a TV--I'd hear the AM radio coming out of her apartment, but that was the extent of her entertainment, apparently. I don't really know if she knew who brought her the groceries--I never said anything and neither did she.

It's a crime, how we treat the young, the old, the sick, and the indigent. In our own wealthy country. The terrible choices we make. Disgraceful.

[EFerrari]

80. Bingo. That's exactly where these neighbors are.

They haven't asked for anything and they never would. They'd just go hungry.

:mad:

[MADem]

95. You're a good soul to get involved. NT

[EFerrari]

137. Or maybe this is what we should be doing first, every day.

I don't feel like a good soul. I just can't stand the idea that in this city, with all it's riches, these two people have been so abandoned. That's just wrong.

[salin]

86. that is a beautiful story

I am touched, not just by your actions - but the dignity that you left with her - indeed no need to let her know who was leaving her groceries.

[MADem]

94. I have to admit, I was a bit conflicted when she died.

She must have been ninety, at least. On the one hand, I was glad that she didn't have to fight the daily battle without sufficient resources, and (quite selfishly) I was also glad that I was spared the guilt of leaving her in the lurch. And then, of course, I felt GUILTY because I was glad, if that makes any sense...

It was a shame that she couldn't have lived out her last years in a bit more comfort. The only bright spot of her living arrangements up on that top floor was that at least she was WARM in the winter (that apartment building was hot as a bastard, you'd have to open the window because you couldn't turn down the radiators!).

I'm not one to notice clothes much, but this lady had stuff that looked like it was just the ticket for a well off woman acting in those movies that took place in the Roaring Twenties and the Great Depression. If I had to bet, I'd guess she was a 'lady of quality' who fell on tough times, poor dear. She had fancy feathered hats and rather unusual shoes, and she wore these coats with big fur collars that looked like they'd been well-worn. She was always quite neat, though, Lord love her...

[EFerrari]

115. That was a lot for such a young person to take in and take on.

:)

[MADem]

185. Funny how things make you think back--I swear, I felt "older" then than I do now!

Back then, I had the absolute certainty of youth and complete confidence in my 'powers.' The only things that limited me were time and money, and I always had confidence that if I needed either, I could get more of both with patience and resolution--time comes with living, and cash comes if you're willing to put your shoulder to the wheel. Of course, I was young back then!!! In my later years, I am starting to see that both are finite resources for the average soul.

I also have to say that I guess I was 'raised right.' My parents wouldn't have tolerated that situation, either. It was a no-brainer to step in, I guess.

[EFerrari]

194. Truth! Seems like I got much younger and much sillier after 35.

About time, too. :evilgrin:

My mom's family sought political asylum in Mexico DF during the late 30s. They lived in a ghetto and were essentially fed and clothed by the commie pinko Catholic nuns there. When it was safe to return to El Salvador, they went back to being in the privileged class there. So, that whole generation knew want intimately and tried to pass on to us, the kids, what it was like and the importance of sticking together and the value of building your community.

That's an American story although I'm not sure it's a North American story. :)

[MADem]

195. We've got an eighty plus year old in the household who acts like a teeny bopper!

And it ain't altzheimers, either--it's just joi de vivre!

I think the line that "You're not getting older, you're getting better" CAN be true if you take the right attitude! As you get older, you're less worried about what others think, and if you make an ass of yourself, well, so what? You don't let things like pride or dignity get in the way, if you've got a good attitude, I guess!

Great "family values" story, there, and plenty "American" for me, seeing as we are a nation of immigrants...the sort of thing that Monkeyboy in the White House could never relate to, unfortunately. He doesn't understand things like want, fear, or community. I swear, the guy is a sociopath!

[EFerrari]

197. He is a sociopath and so are many of the people he's put into

his cabinet and other jobs. Look at Brownie. :scared:

We can't indulge in pre-Katrina thinking. Katrina demonstrated once and for all the unconcern of the B* misadministration for the American people. We know that now.

[EFerrari]

62. Have to walk the puppy. I'll be back. Thank you, DU.

:loveya:

[Texasgal]

67. I would be happy to help financially

do you have a way we can do that? Paypal?

[EFerrari]

87. Isn't that great. I really think this has to be a local thing. San Francisco

has to step up and explain why this couple has fallen through every crack.

But, thank you. :hug:

[Seldona]

64. Have you tried Catholic Charities?

First off I am not a Catholic. I just believe these people do some incredible work and may just be able to help you. I am not sure about SF, but in St Paul Minnesota they have some incredible resources and provide hot meals and basic medical care to sometimes hundreds of people a day.

http://www.cccyo.org/parish/index.php

That is a link to the SF Parish. Good luck! I hope these people are able to get some help, and even if you aren't a Catholic think about sending them a little something if you can afford it. I still help out at the Dorthy Day Center when I can.

[Alamom]

69. And other churches. Here, many denominations of churches

would have food there within hours. I've helped out in many different situations with different churches due to friends, family, etc., letting me know a family was in immediate need and have seen these people snap into action when called.

I'm not picky when people are helping people.

[EFerrari]

76. They were a machine today. I did think of them because they are good

at what they do. :)

[YellowRubberDuckie]

71. HEaring stories like this piss me the fuck off.

Mainly because there are people in this country who own shoes that cost hundreds of dollars, thousands of dollars, but we have homeless people!? What the fuck is that about? This country has more wealth than some European countries who really don't have homeless problems. But what do people who own those shoes and cars they never drive say when you tell them about these hungry, shoeless, homeless people? "Why can't they get a job or spend the money they are using on alcohol on food?!" :grr: Right, like they do any actual work. The people who are paid the most don't do jack. The people who make the least do back breaking work every day and are treated like they are mooching off of their employers. God I hate the way this fucking country is.
There is no reason that in this country 1% of the people make over 50% of the money! We as the middle class need to take this fucking country back. Oh, I forgot. We can't be prosperous because we get too uppity when we start making headway and the aristocracy (Or corporatocracy, which ever you prefer) feels threatened. We need a French-like Revolution in this country. Our priorities are fucked up. They tell us that we need to educate ourselves and get a good job, but then they raise the fucking interest rates on the student loans so that poor people can't afford them. I'm fucking pissed, and I've been pissed. And people fucking wonder why I've lost my faith.
:grr:
:rant: Sorry for the tangent.
Duckie

[EFerrari]

77. Oh, me, too. I just can't get too mad to talk to people right now.

A couple of weeks ago I went to a mall where there were $400 handbags for sale.

:wtf:

[YellowRubberDuckie]

81. Holy shit.

That's ridiculous. The most I've ever paid for a bag and wallet was 50, and it was one of those things that I used until it fell apart! I can't even imagine!! Selfish pricks.
Duckie

[MADem]

187. I hear ya--how about a thousand four hundred dollar sequined bowling bag?

http://www.eluxury.com/sales/product_assortment.jhtml?pss=&SectionID=9000&CategoryID=9219&SubCategoryID=9220&ClassificationID=9219

Gee, it's on sale!! This piece of shit is normally more than two grand!!! Amazing what foolish people spend their money on....and foolish leaders spend OUR money on....

[EFerrari]

199. Good God Almighty.

Now, tell me, who would take this object to a BOWLING ALLEY? Oh -- it would have to be a PRIVATE bowling alley and so, who would be the AUDIENCE for such consumption? Your hired help? Your pets? Other stupid people?

:rofl:

[MADem]

220. And hell, can ya imagine the BALL that goes in that monstrosity? NT

[Kickin_Donkey]

72. How about the progressive Glide Memorial Church ...

of the Rev. Cecil Williams?

They help indigent people. They have a free lunch room. Someone there might be able to help.

[EFerrari]

83. They were a machine today, too. The thing is, these two aren't very mobile.

Even though the streetcar stops at the foot of our block, they don't look like they could hop on any time soon. The deal is to find something that might come to them.

Oh geeze.

[salin]

88. I thought of the same church

back in my Bay Area (pennisula) days - we would try to get up to Glide periodically for services. The church is very outreach (not prostelytizing, but the doing for those in greatest needs) oriented.

[AZBlue]

78. That is a beautiful thing that you did.

Thank you for doing it and for sharing it with us as inspiration.

As for getting help for this couple, have you thought about any of the senior services agencies and/or food banks? It sounds like they will qualify for programs - I know here food banks will deliver food staples to seniors who can't afford to go shopping.

[EFerrari]

84. Working on it. This is definitely not my area so it's taking too long.

And, today was Saturday. But DUers on this thread have given me great tips.

DU. :toast:

[Wiley50]

85. Oh Beth, I Love Heroines like You

Isn't it almost a laugh, but really a cry
That Oaxaca is so much poorer than we are
but stuff like this never happens
In Oaxaca, People take care of each other.

[EFerrari]

89. No heroine here, just a neighbor.

And I know what you mean about Oaxaca.

:hug:

[brer cat]

91. sfexpat2000, you've done the moral and just thing.

This thread is getting long so I may have missed some things. Have you considered your county/city mental health agencies? We were once able to get help for an elderly, very sick neighbor who was also alcoholic. Otherwise, I think the churches may be your best bet.

Bless you for your compassion, and your courage to take on this challenge to find help for your neighbors.

edit to add: Try reaching a church tomorrow before or after services. Many will have money on hand so that you don't have to carry this alone all weekend.

[EFerrari]

99. I am going to do that. When you think of the resources we have here

and how little these people need, well, we should be able to figure it out.

[ancient_nomad]

96. Please try the Salvation Army.....

In all my years and experience the Salvation Army would possibly be the most able to help especially being it is the weekend. I googled their SF site.

Here is the link to their food distribution centers:
http://tinyurl.com/25op7h

Being you are in the PT zone it is still relatively early, and you hopefully will be able to get some help.

I hope this works out - will keep checking in.

Hugs to you for all you do! :hug: :loveya:

[EFerrari]

101. They were mostly machines today. I left a message.

They are good people. :loveya:

[brer cat]

106. This has to taking a terrible toll on you. Please take

care of yourself as well, and keep us posted!:hug:

[EFerrari]

109. I will! Hopefully, when I follow up on the great suggestions in this thread

there will be a good update.

I'm fine. Warm, fed, and all catted up.

:hug:

[ancient_nomad]

110. Yes, good people.

This is frustrating. Ah...Burnsey_Koenig (response #102) "Project Open Hand" sounds promising.

Best wishes to you....know you have been going through a difficult time. Am going to keep checking in. Bookmarked the thread. Our country is in a sad state. Many people needing help, and not many good samaritans. :-(

[Burnsey_Koenig]

102. Three Words: Project Open Hand

You can arrange to help them on your own through Project Open Hand, call them today....

"Mission Statement


Project Open Hand provides food and nourishment to improve the quality of life for the men, women and children it serves. Project Open Hand programs include: meal, grocery and nutrition counseling for people with symptomatic HIV and AIDS; congregate lunch and nutrition education for people over 60 years of age; meal service for homebound and critically ill people under the age of 60. Services are available to eligible clients living in San Francisco and Alameda counties, regardless of their race, color, national origin, age, gender, sexual orientation, religious affiliation, disability or ability to pay."

Contact Us section Link:

http://www.openhand.org/pages/about_contact.html


Help Is Out there, good luck.

[EFerrari]

107. Thank you. And, welcome to DU.

:hi:

[ancient_nomad]

112. Welcome to DU!

Am going to check out your link....it sounds very promising.

[Monkeyman]

119. I am not posting for awhile but here is a link to help

I will be around could not leave this one without help

Catholic Charities

[EFerrari]

120. Thank you, Sir.

:hug:

[EFerrari]

123. The thing that bothers me the most about this situation

which much be as common as corn, is that these two individuals have interacted with how many city, state and country officials -- each of which had an opportunity to see for themselves that they would need extended help because of their age and other factors and it didn't matter. All that expertise didn't matter. It didn't translate into services or care.

Why? How many people had to look away, in their professional capacity as social work types or medical work types or public safety types - how many people had to look away for this situation to continue?

It says a lot about how thin and thinner our infrastructure is, doesn't it? It tells us something about what happened on the Gulf Coast, for example. It speaks to where we have to invest as soon as possible if we're going to expect our parents and our childen to get basic services.

[MagickMuffin]

160. It is indeed a sad situation when we overlook people in need

Is it any wonder that it is so damn easy to ignore the needs of others, when we have as our pResident the very lack of compassion he proclaimed to possess?

The Bushes were raised to believe that if you grew up poor it was because you were lazy. No matter if the working class were payed low wages. No matter that BFEE knew how to milk the government tax-dollars for their personal wealth. Talk about your "welfare queens", they are one of the best at sucking on that teat.

I used to help cook and distribute food for Food Not Bombs. It was a wonderful feeling helping feed the needy. They would always ask us why we weren't preaching to them, when we explained we didn't think we should force any religious beliefs on them they were extremely happy to be fed without any strings attached. However, I became concerned about my health and decided since I don't have insurance it would be in my best interest to help in other ways than put my health at risk.

I tried to get my city to renovate an abandoned hospital (the one I was born in) to house the homeless. Just think of the possibilities of an old hospital converted into housing for the homeless. Each resident having their own room with bathroom and privacy (something you don't have at a shelter) and maybe have a better chance of finding a job. There would be issues to work out, but I would think that there are a lot of homeless people who would love the opportunity to live in a decent room and not have to worry about where they would sleep for the night.
The city wasn't interested in my idea. I still think it's an excellent idea.

Another thing to consider since you were trying to buy groceries for them as well as yourself, here is something to consider. Buy dry beans and rice, they are relatively cheap and provide a complete protein. My parents were children during the Great Depression and that's something they ate a lot of back when there wasn't enough money to buy much of anything else. I never could stomach eating pinto beans and cornbread, but if that was the only food I had to eat for a while, I would be very happy to wolf down a bowl.

Anyway thanks for taking the time to help your neighbors. I know it means a lot to you and them and you did not turn away your eyes to a picture that is not sometimes very pretty to gaze upon but is very real. Those are the pictures you cannot divert your eyes away from very easily. There are a lot of great suggestions listed on this thread and maybe you can get them more help on Monday.

Good Luck Sister, I know this must be a very difficult time for you and my heart goes out to you.:hug:
Thanks for caring and sharing.:loveya:

[EFerrari]

193. Great idea. I haven't put on a pot of beans for a long time.

And just happen to have everything that pot needs. :)

:hug:

[MagickMuffin]

210. Glad to provide additional suggestions ;=D

I always try to keep several bags of different kinds of beans, lentils, rice as emergency food. You know the kind of food you can make in a pinch when there may not be anything else in the house. I try out different recipes from various cultures that also cook with these ingredients. It's amazing what different spices to a pot of beans will do for a dish.
You have Indian cuisine that uses lentils and turmeric (which has recently been researched concerning its healing qualities Babylon Sister started a thread that got lost quickly;

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=236x31151

I also did more research concerning turmeric, needs more research I guess but doesn't mean you can't add it to your diet) as well as other curry spices, then Mexican cuisine has their special seasonings they add to their beans, one that comes to mind is cumin. Of course, there are plenty more cultures to explore, I just mentioned these two because well, I love their food.
That's when I started to appreciate beans more is when I got to experiment. When I had to cook them as a kid growing up you could only add ham hock or bone, a little salt after they had already become tender.

I've been cooking since I was old enough to hold a knife without cutting myself, which was probably around six or seven. So, I can get carried away when talking about cooking. I don't buy any pre-fab food. I make everything by scratch and enjoy coming up with new recipes. I worked with a girl once who told me she never had a home cooked meal and didn't know how to prepare a meal for herself or anyone else for that matter. Her mother fed her microwave meals and that's what she was eating when we worked together. I guess it sorta surprised me in a way, that people don't know how to prepare meals for themselves.

Sorry to carry on, but as I said I get carried awayyyyyyy. If you ever need advice on cooking/baking give me a shout out.

[porphyrian]

128. That's fucked up. - n/t

[understandinglife]

129. Recommended.

Peace, my friend,
Bob

[EFerrari]

131. Thank you, Bob.

I believe the dark side took a hit today.

[Kurovski]

136. Kicked and recommended.(nt)

[solinvictus]

138. In San Francisco, I can't understand how anyone can afford to live.

I mean, seriously, with $400-500K condo prices I can only begin to imagine what rent must cost in that city. What kind of economic base supports such prices? Hell, I work in the insurance industry, but if I had to relocate there, I'd have to choose between housing and food as well.

[ribrepin]

141. I went to have a breast biopsy earlier this week

A tiny asian woman came in crying because the surgeon they had referred her to wouldn't take medical coupons. I was sitting in the waiting room with tears in my eyes watching this. The center took very good care of her and promised to intervene with the doctor. It's outrageous that this crap goes on.

Good news--my biopsy was negative, but it sends chills down my neck that if I were to lose my insurance someone could treat me the same way this woman was treated.

[EFerrari]

143. Good news your biopsy was negative.

Very good news.

:)

[ribrepin]

145. Thanks, I felt like a thousand pounds had been lifted off my shoulders

But it was heartbreaking to see that poor woman being kicked to the curb. She looked like she was in her 50's or 60's and I expect she has worked most of her life. The nurses were really nice to her. I really hope things have gotten straightened out for her. She needed to see this particular surgeon for some reason.

[EFerrari]

147. I think the deal is we have to turn around and help people who

don't have the resources we enjoy.

The kindness of strangers is a good thing but the care of a strong and committed community is a force to be reckoned with.

It can't be me or you or whoEVER doing our little bit. It has to be us standing together and calling for a standard of human care. Why should Halliburton enjoy all the benefits of our work?

And that is what's happening. We work and hand over our taxes and the Defense Department loses billions (yeah, right) and shrugs.

Meanwhile, our people go without for no reason. :shrug:

[ribrepin]

161. Absolutely, the kindness of strangers doesn't cut it

The government needs to do something about medical insurance. Oh wait, Bush has a plan to tax the folks who still happen to have decent medical insurance. Meanwhile, Halliburton and the oil companies continue to rake in record profits.

I think if anything gets done about medical insurance, it will come from the state level. Some states are already trying. The only thing the Bush federal government is good for is starting wars and picking the middle class pocketbook. In my more cynical moments, I think it would be a good thing to split into fifty countries.

[midnight]

144. Thank you for taking the time and thoughtfulness for those in

need. You are an angel. I hope that there is some wonderful energy that is given to you real soon.

[Ghost in the Machine]

146. If you have a paypal account, I'll send you $25 to help out

I'll also set up a donation page on one of my websites so DU'ers who are able to can donate also.... if the mods will allow me to do so...

Ghost

[EFerrari]

151. You know, Ghost, I think it's really important for this to be handled locally.

San Francisco has to stand the hell up.

And thank you so much for your offer. People like you give me the will to live.

[Ghost in the Machine]

154. I understand what you're saying...

but I also know that it's going to be several days before anything gets done for them when dealing with any kind of agency, government or otherwise. Generous DU'ers could have them eating good by Monday morning.

PEACE!

Ghost

[EFerrari]

156. Yeah, it'll be days. I promise that I'll petition Skinner for a thread

if it comes to that. But I'm hopeful that the calls I made today because bobbolink nudged me will yield some results for this family.

:)

[calimary]

149. Churches, YES! And is there any kind of "Project Angel Food" up there?

We have that here in L.A. I once covered a meal preparation event in West Hollywood. And I believe it was in a church kitchen, if memory serves. The rectory at any Catholic church ought to have referrals, and maybe they even have their own local hunger program. If not, they certainly should. I wouldn't confine it to Catholic churches, though.

[EFerrari]

153. I've just called the world. And will call more of the religious world

tomorrow.

And why didn't any of the people who dealt with this couple figure out that they needed some real support? Hmm?

[calimary]

219. I don't get it, either. Did you see that report on TV that involved

a fighting couple - and NOBODY came to try to stop it. All the passersby didn't want to get involved. Same thing with that home-made video in which two teenage girls were beating the crap out of another teenage girl, and nobody passing by stopped to try to break it up or help the girl being beaten and brutalized. Nobody wants to get involved. All that Good Samaritan stuff, about helping the least of my brothers - well, I guess it goes in one ear and out the other. Sad statement about society nowadays, 'eh?

[LSK]

150. well I feel a little powerless to help you

but heres a K&R for you just the same.

:hug:

[EFerrari]

152. I'll take that!

lol

:hug:

[DemReadingDU]

169. Beth, you are a good, kind-hearted person

and an inspiration to all of us. Thank you for what you do to help others.

I am bookmarking this thread, because, well, one never knows when any of us might need to refer back for help from these agencies.


Which reminds me of a similar sad situation. A family(mother, father, sick daughter) where I used to work. The father worked non-union construction job without benefits. Wife worked in my building so had good health insurance to pay for meds for sick daughter. But the father somehow got hurt and lost his job. Then the mother got laid off and lost health insurance (no money to pay for cobra). They lost their car and their house. Then the daughter died. Literally, in a matter of months they went from 'middle class' to homeless. And it's happening to more and more families in our country. Truly, sad and frightening. We all must step up and be willing to help our neighbors. Because, it could happen to any of us too.

[EFerrari]

174. Yes, it could. Our slide took a little under two years.

Before I knew it, we were in an SRO. It was like being on acid all the time - everything was so unfamiliar and traumatizing.

Great suggestions in this thread! Thanks so much. :toast:

[democrank]

165. We can`t help Americans in need

because we need to use our money to kill people in Iraq.

[EFerrari]

173. Ain't it the truth.

[Vinca]

166. This country seems to have an "everyone for himself" mentality.

If you can't make it on your own, you don't deserve to make it at all. It's sad and frightening. I feel for this couple, but their plight is not uncommon. Do you have food pantries for the poor in SF?

[EFerrari]

175. "Everyone for himself" is those Puritans still messing with us.

We have those. I don't know that these people are functional enough to get to them although some days they seem to do better than other days.

[Irishonly]

170. A Suggestion

I haven't read all of the responses so if I am giving advice that has been suggested, please forgive me. To get short term food relief for you neighbors call the churches. There is such a need for food these days many churches provide food baskets and or/free meals without any strings attached. A lot of people are afraid to go because they don't want to hear a sermon and I can't guarantee that there will never be a church that won't try to convert there are those that don't.

If San Francisco has any kind of Council of Churches, definitely call them. At the very least they should be able to provide you with a list of places where your neighbors can get some sort of assistance. I help with the food baskets for our local council and I am very sad to say that we can no longer keep up with the demand. At times the baskets are smaller but we do what we can. Despite all of the evangelical, neocon churches getting all of the news coverage there are hundreds of liberal/normal churches who practice community outreach daily and your neighbors won't have to hear a fire and brimstone sermon.

On Super Bowl Sunday most churches in California are participating in Souper Bowl Sunday and are taking a special collection of food and or money. It pretty much stays local. If you don't attend church you can either find a council or just take a donation to the church office. We must take care of the hungry in our communities.

Sadly, the woman you talked to at the paper is pretty typical in today's society. There is a judgment of the poor and a they got themselves into the mess, let them get out of it attitude. Christmas is over and the charitable feeling leaves along with it these days. There are hungry people every day, all day and it is unconscionable that we ignore their cries.

If your neighbor is in chemo, it's imperative she eat a good, well balanced diet. Chemo ravages your body and she must eat to keep up her strength. I hope this has been a little helpful.

[EFerrari]

172. Council of churches. Another good idea.

And you said it. Christmas is over, it's January, now all you hungry people shut up.

:(

[helderheid]

171. Powerful, powerful, powerful.

[mike_c]

176. that is so excellent....

Thank you for sending this to the Chron, Beth. I hope they print it.

[EFerrari]

178. I don't think they will. But Rosie will either read it or he'll have someone

read it. He's a good guy and he needs to hear about this conversaton.

Maybe Rob at OpEdNews will put it up. Since Fagan started teaching, it seems like there is no one that speaks this language at the paper.

[porphyrian]

177. Is there anywhere nearby to have a public garden?

Some things like bell peppers are really easy to grow. I just planted the seeds I pulled out of some when I made a salad one day, and almost all of them grew. Now, I've got a ton of bell pepper plants. This won't feed everyone all the time, but it's something. Also, if there is no plot of land nearby, food can be grown in pots. Actually, this way is preferable if the climate is prone to freezing, so you can bring them inside. Gardening can take your mind off of your problems and can otherwise be therapeutic, too.

Just some idearrhea.

[EFerrari]

179. I need to walk the area just West of us and see what's around.

The hood turned a little ugly empty lot into a beautiful little park. It's our pride and joy. Maybe there's another little lot around here somewhere. Hmmm. :)

[Luminous Animal]

180. San Francisco Food Bank...

Ooops, I see this info has already been posted.

Has an Emergency Food Box Program where they will provide 3 days supply of food. They claim that they will provide the food within hours of the request.

They also have a Brown Bag Program that supplies seniors with a regular supply of groceries.

415.282.1900

[EFerrari]

181. Thank you, Bright Spot!

:hi:

[Luminous Animal]

182. You are welcome...

Please keep us updated.

Like you, I view the homeless and needy folks in my neighborhood as neighbors not nuisances.

[EFerrari]

191. So far, the food bank is a machine. I'm going out to talk to some

of my neighbors to see if they know where the closest pantry is. There is a download at the food bank web site but it crashes my machine.

[antigop]

186. Hey, everyone -- look what is on the FRONT PAGE of the Star-Telegram

http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/16513015.htm

Front page article on "The Hidden Homeless"

>>
The forgotten are always on display along East Lancaster Avenue. Homeless people fill the sidewalks, looking for food, work, drugs or a spot in one of the shelters.

But look deeper into the surrounding overgrown landscape. A hidden world emerges.
>>

[EFerrari]

188. Outstanding.

Thank you. :hi:

[Ishoutandscream2]

203. A thread like this gives me such hope in mankind

Good job sfexpat, and to all who provided valuable info. People do make a difference, and where better than a progressive, compassionate site like DU.

[EFerrari]

204. DU is an amazing place.

:hi:

[kdpeters]

208. Hi SFexpat. I'm in SF. I just lost my job. How can I help?

I can't afford a whole lot myself, but I can always use the karma and a smile. I'd love nothing more than to bring a bag of groceries. just tell me where to bring them.

[trashcanistanista]

209. Thank you for the post

SFexpat. I know how you feel and you are doing what you can. I have coworkers that can't eat despite their jobs. Periodically when I see this I go down to the cafeteria and buy them food or a drink as a thank you for doing a good job or I bring in food to share. If you open your eyes you can see this EVERYWHERE, not just with the homeless or unemployed. You do what you can.

[EFerrari]

212. Hi there, KD! I think we have it covered. I made a deal with the grocer

for today and tomorrow, there's a pantry on 19th that I can call.

I'm sorry about your job. :hug:

[ooglymoogly]

211. sfexpat sorry i checked in on this thread so late...if one can, i put myself in you sit

i pulled out the phone book and in the beginning there are many agencies listed under social services and some emergency no's. in my community there is community action which has an emergency no. we are getting close to monday now and you should be able to find what you need. i also looked under emergency heating needs and there was an emergency no. with a social worker on the other end and she offered to send out a book listing all the food pantries and social services in my state and neighborhood from emergency heating assistance, meals on wheels, housing needs and on and on, but of course i am across the country...but you should have something similar in the beginning pages of your phone book where emergency no's are listed...further to a post above wondering if they were old enough for social services...if the woman has cancer i believe she could come under the classification of disabled and would be covered under social security disability and or or ssi (social security supplement) for which you do not need to be 65, for a more permanent solution and with those she could get food stamps and free medical under medicare. so that is what i came up with trying to put myself in your shoes alone on a sunday night, i know it isn't much but i hope there is something you can use there...there is good advice in many of the other posts and that makes me proud...so keep being an angel and you will get what you need

[EFerrari]

214. Hi there, oogly. The main problem has been that I found about about

this on a Saturday afternoon. Monday's not far away and I know someone will return my calls.

I'm grateful to you all for the good ideas. I learned a LOT on this thread.

:hi:

[lonestarnot]

213. I hope someone has come up with something by tonight (now).

Do we need to overnight food?

[EFerrari]

215. We're okay for tonight. My grocer let me sign for them today.

Tomorrow, I can call the pantry that's local to us.

Thanks for asking. :hi:

[lonestarnot]

216. You are a doll sfexpat2000!

:hug: :hug: :hug: :hi: Bless you!

[EFerrari]

217. Life in Junior's America sure is interesting.

:silly:

[lonestarnot]

218. Sucks a big ass!

[EFerrari]

221. Well, OpEdNews did put it up!

http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_elizabet_070120_hunger_on_48th_avenu.htm

Thank you, Rob.

:)