Bush Is Commiting Treason-The Number 1 Impeachable Crime Under The Constitution-Congress Must Act.

[kpete]

Was Iraq War a `Blunder' or Was It Treason?
by Dave Lindorff

........................

It seems ever more likely to me that this whole mess was no blunder at all.
People are wont to attribute the whole thing to lack of intelligence on the president's part, and to hubris on the part of his key advisers. I won't argue that the president is a lightweight in the intellect department, nor will I dispute that Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and that whole neocon gang have demonstrably lacked the virtues of reflection and humility. But that said, I suspect that the real story of the Iraq War is that Bush and his gang never really cared whether they actually would "win" in Iraq. In fact, arguably, they didn't really want to win.

What they wanted was a war.

............................

Since it's not about "winning" the war, it has to be about something else. My guess would be it's about either dragging things out until the end of 2008, so Bush can leave office without having to say he's sorry. But of course, it could also be about something even more serious: invading Iran.

...................

The way I see it, either way the president is committing treason, because he is sending American troops off to be killed for no good reason other than for aggrandizing power he shouldn¹t have, and/or simply covering his own political ass.

Treason is the number one impeachable crime under the Constitution, and we're at a point where Congress is going to have to act or go down in history as having acquiesced in the worst presidential crime in the history of the nation.

more at:
http://www.commondreams.org/views07/0120-29.htm

[shadowknows69]

1. the downing street memos alone show it was treason

this war was planned and lies were told to sell it period.

[LuckyTheDog]

17. I have said this all along

It's not about WINNING the war ... it's about HAVING the war.

[Kagemusha]

2. There is no number for high crimes and misdemeanors.

There is no #1, there is no #20. The definition is up to Congress' political and moral judgment.

[aquart]

3. Treason is what Bush commits six times before breakfast.

The impeachment bar for Republicans is somewhere up around President take Uzi and mows down Congress, Secret Service, and his little dog, too.

Laws are simply irrelevent to this bunch.

[leftofthedial]

4. the bush cabal have been committing treason for generations

king george himself has been since the "election" of 2000.

[seemslikeadream]

5. What they wanted was a war NEVER ENDING WAR

[Disturbed]

6. GW Bush- High Crimes and Misdemeanors

GW Bush- High Crimes and Misdemeanors.

1. "A Crime Against Peace." Initiating a war of aggression against a nation that posed no immediate threat to the U.S.--a war that has needlessly killed 2550 Americans and maimed and damaged over 20,000 more, while killing over 100,000 innocent Iraqi men, women and children, is the number one war crime according to the Nuremberg Charter, a document which was largely drawn up by American lawyers after World War II.

2. Lying and organizing a conspiracy to trick the American people and the U.S. Congress into approving an unnecessary and illegal war. This is defined as "A Conspiracy to Commit a Crime Against Peace" in the Nuremberg Charter, to which the U.S. is a signatory.

3. Approving and encouraging, in violation of U.S. and international law, the use of torture, kidnapping and rendering of prisoners of war captured in Iraq and Afghanistan and in the course of the so-called War on Terror. Note that the Hamdan decision actually declares Bush to have violated the Third Geneva Convention on Treatment of Prisoners of War, which means the justices are in effect calling the president a war criminal. Under U.S. and international law, if prisoners have died because of such a violation--and many have died in illegal US captivity because of torture authorized by this president--the penalty is death (a point made to the president in a warning memo written by his then White House counsel Alberto Gonzales, the text of which is published in full in the appendix of our book).

4. Illegally stripping the right of citizenship and the protections of the Constitution from American citizens, denying them the fundamental right to have their cases heard in a court, to hear the charges against them, to be judged in a public court by a jury of their peers, and to have access to a lawyer.

5. Authorizing the spying on American citizens and their communications by the National Security Agency and other U.S. police and intelligence agencies, in violation of the First and Fourth Amendments and the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA).

6. Obstructing investigation into and covering up knowledge of the deliberate exposing of the identity of a U.S. CIA undercover operative, and possibly conspiring in that initial outing itself.

7. Obstructing the investigation into the 9-11 attacks and lying to investigators from the Congress and the bi-partisan 9-11 Commission--actions that come perilously close to treason. (Former Florida Senator Bob Graham, who headed the Senate Intelligence Committee until his retirement at the end of 2002, has called this the president's most impeachable crime.)

8. Violating the due process and other constitutional rights of thousands of citizens and legal residents by rounding them up and disappearing or deporting them without hearings.

9. Abuse of power, undermining of the Constitution and violating the presidential oath of office by deliberately refusing to administer over 750 acts duly passed into law by the Congress--actions with if left unchallenged would make the Congress a vestigial body, and the president a dictator.

10. Criminal negligence in failing to provide American troops with adequate armor before sending them into a war of choice, criminal negligence in going to war against a weak, third-world nation without any planning for post war occupation and reconstruction, criminal negligence in failing to respond to a known and growing crisis in the storm-blasted city of New Orleans, and criminal negligence in failing to act, and in fact in actively obstructing efforts by other countries and American state governments, to deal with the looming crisis of global warming.





The Democrats’ Impeachment Road Map

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YjVjM2M2N2U3ZjJlNTRiZmYzZjJkYzJiN2RlZGQyYjY=

[uberllama42]

40. How old are those numbers?

Casualties are now 3046 U.S. dead, 40,000 injured, and, according to the Lancet, 650,000 Iraqi dead. But the numbers are immaterial, IMO. The fact that he engaged in a criminal war is enough grounds to impeach in my mind, regardless of casualties.

[Disturbed]

8. GW Bush- High Crimes and Misdemeanors

GW Bush- High Crimes and Misdemeanors.

1. "A Crime Against Peace." Initiating a war of aggression against a nation that posed no immediate threat to the U.S.--a war that has needlessly killed 3042 Americans and maimed and damaged over 20,000 more, while killing over 100,000 innocent Iraqi men, women and children, is the number one war crime according to the Nuremberg Charter, a document which was largely drawn up by American lawyers after World War II.

2. Lying and organizing a conspiracy to trick the American people and the U.S. Congress into approving an unnecessary and illegal war. This is defined as "A Conspiracy to Commit a Crime Against Peace" in the Nuremberg Charter, to which the U.S. is a signatory.

3. Approving and encouraging, in violation of U.S. and international law, the use of torture, kidnapping and rendering of prisoners of war captured in Iraq and Afghanistan and in the course of the so-called War on Terror. Note that the Hamdan decision actually declares Bush to have violated the Third Geneva Convention on Treatment of Prisoners of War, which means the justices are in effect calling the president a war criminal. Under U.S. and international law, if prisoners have died because of such a violation--and many have died in illegal US captivity because of torture authorized by this president--the penalty is death (a point made to the president in a warning memo written by his then White House counsel Alberto Gonzales, the text of which is published in full in the appendix of our book).

4. Illegally stripping the right of citizenship and the protections of the Constitution from American citizens, denying them the fundamental right to have their cases heard in a court, to hear the charges against them, to be judged in a public court by a jury of their peers, and to have access to a lawyer.

5. Authorizing the spying on American citizens and their communications by the National Security Agency and other U.S. police and intelligence agencies, in violation of the First and Fourth Amendments and the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA).

6. Obstructing investigation into and covering up knowledge of the deliberate exposing of the identity of a U.S. CIA undercover operative, and possibly conspiring in that initial outing itself.

7. Obstructing the investigation into the 9-11 attacks and lying to investigators from the Congress and the bi-partisan 9-11 Commission--actions that come perilously close to treason. (Former Florida Senator Bob Graham, who headed the Senate Intelligence Committee until his retirement at the end of 2002, has called this the president's most impeachable crime.)

8. Violating the due process and other constitutional rights of thousands of citizens and legal residents by rounding them up and disappearing or deporting them without hearings.

9. Abuse of power, undermining of the Constitution and violating the presidential oath of office by deliberately refusing to administer over 750 acts duly passed into law by the Congress--actions with if left unchallenged would make the Congress a vestigial body, and the president a dictator.

10. Criminal negligence in failing to provide American troops with adequate armor before sending them into a war of choice, criminal negligence in going to war against a weak, third-world nation without any planning for post war occupation and reconstruction, criminal negligence in failing to respond to a known and growing crisis in the storm-blasted city of New Orleans, and criminal negligence in failing to act, and in fact in actively obstructing efforts by other countries and American state governments, to deal with the looming crisis of global warming.





The Democrats’ Impeachment Road Map

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YjVjM2M2N2U3ZjJlNTRiZmYzZjJkYzJiN2RlZGQyYjY=

[Gregorian]

7. Gladly recommending.

I'm a war president. I need a new Pearl Harbor.

And this is exactly why some of us knew in 2000 that we would be where we are today. I knew the war was on the minute he swore on that bible.

But why aren't more people talking this way? It's as clear as day to me.

[mykpart]

9. If Bush were convicted of treason,

would he get the death penalty?

[Toucano]

10. No, the United States PARDONS it's criminal leaders

in order to "heal the nation". It murders the criminal leaders of OTHER nations, however.

Get with the program!

[tnlefty]

13. I chuckled.

People around me say that I have a warped sense of humor, which I take as a compliment. Thanks for the laugh. :hi:

[Toucano]

16. You're most welcome!

I'm happy to know I gave someone a bright spot today. Many days I accomplish far less! :hi:

[mwb970]

45. Pardons its criminals? We re-elect them! /nt

[Virginian]

30. Hague! Hague! Hague!

This is too evil for mere impeachment. He needs to go before the world court. No one here can pardon him for a conviction at the Hague.

He should also be fined the bulk of his fortune. The money should go to the families of his victims, here and around the world.

His "Presidential Library" should be in NOLA or Baghdad or some other place he has allowed or planned to be ruined.

[uberllama42]

44. I think even Nancy Pelosi would pardon Bush if he was convicted

One thing even Establishment lefties agree on is American Exceptionism: we don't have to follow interational law, because 1) we wrote it, and 2) nobody can stop us. You'd have to put Noam Chomsky in power in order to get Bush convicted of all his crimes. Maybe Dennis Kucinich or John Conyers, but definitely not anybody in the Democratic elite. Not Hillary or Obama, or anyone else who has even a remote chance of coming to power. In fact, tacit participation in the excusal of America's crimes is a prerequisite for breaking into the inner circle of power in this country. You don't follow the rules, you don't get into the clubhouse. Unfortunately, following those rules invovles blatantly violating the rules of interational law and common decency.

[Styve]

63. Noam Chomsky is a left-wing gatekeeper on 911 Truth...fuck him!!

The guy is not on the side of truth...he is part of the cover-up. You can bet your ass he is a BushCo enabler, as well.

----------------------------------------

http://www.911blogger.com/node/5022

Noam Chomsky: "...One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis."

Chomsky doesn't believe that 9/11 represents "real and ongoing crimes of state." However, he never bothers to describe even one "real and ongoing crimes of state" in this exchange.

Chomsky Dismisses 911 Conspiracy Theories As 'Dubious'
12-13-6

http://www.rense.com/general74/dismiss.htm

http://blog.zmag.org/node/2779

The following is an exchange between a ZNet Sustainer and Noam Chomsky, which took place in the Sustainer Web Board where Noam hosts a forum...

ZNet Sustainer: Dear Noam, There is much documentation observed and uncovered by the 911 families themselves suggesting a criminal conspiracy within the Bush Administration to cover-up the 9/11 attacks (see DVD, 9/11: Press for Truth). Additionally, much evidence has been put forward to question the official version of events. This has come in part from Paul Thompson, an activist who has creatively established the 9/11 Timeline, a free 9/11 investigative database for activist researchers, which now, according to The Village Voice's James Ridgeway, rivals the 9/11 Commission's report in accuracy and lucidity (see,
http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0416,mondo1,52830,6.html,
or www.cooperativeresearch.org).

Noam Chomsky: Hard for me to respond to the rest of the letter, because I am not persuaded by the assumption that much documentation and other evidence has been uncovered. To determine that, we'd have to investigate the alleged evidence. Take, say, the physical evidence. There are ways to assess that: submit it to specialists -- of whom there are thousands -- who have the requisite background in civil-mechanical engineering, materials science, building construction, etc., for review and analysis; and one cannot gain the required knowledge by surfing the internet. In fact, that's been done, by the professional association of civil engineers. Or, take the course pursued by anyone who thinks they have made a genuine discovery: submit it to a serious journal for peer review and publication. To my knowledge, there isn't a single submission.

[Prophet 451]

65. And therein lies the main problem with American politics

American Exceptionalism. The US seems to see itself as divine, leading the world but not a part of it. Even lefties tend to hold to the idea that the USA is best and brightest instead of one country among many, doing some things better (2nd Ammendment) and other things worse (the way the 2nd Ammendment is actually enforced).

If anyone ever wanted to know why so many Europeans think of the US as arrogant, American Exceptionalism is a big part of it. A health care system somewhere between "falling apart" and "dear lord", high crime in many areas, near-deification of the Founders, the biggest rich-poor divide in the western world and yet, somehow, there's still this "USA, NUMBER ONE!" bullshit.

[uberllama42]

70. Can you quantify the "biggest rich-poor divide" comment?

I agree with your post entirely, but I think that one claim might be hyperbolic. Not that the massive rich-poor divide is acceptable; I'm just not sure about it being definitively the worst.

Our medical system, for instance, falls in about the the tenth percentile in almost every statistical category with which medical systems are measured.

I'll grant you that I sure as hell can't think of a country with a bigger rich-poor divide among any "civilized" country. I'm just curious to see numbers.

[Prophet 451]

74. Links

http://www.quadranglegroup.com/SR_WEB_ARTICLES_PDF/wp_6_16_03.pdf">Washington Post (reproduced by something called the Quadrangle Group)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_of_living_in_the_United_States">Wikipedia goes with a hedging-its-bets "one of".

http://www.worldwatch.org/node/82">Worldwatch goes with "Of all high-income nations, the United States has the most unequal distribution of income".

http://www.globalissues.org/TradeRelated/PovertyAroundTheWorld.asp">globalissues.org

Creative use of Google or Lexis ould undoubtedly get others...

[uberllama42]

77. Thanks a lot

Wiki will usually hedge its bets- there are some things that, even though they are supported by factual info, will be changed by those who don't want to believe them. That's why they're not the most reliable source, as many times as they've saved my ass shortly before the due date on a research paper.

[Fovea]

52. The Bush pretzeldentiary library

Should be designed so that you had to wade knee deep through a reflecting pool containing fountains spraying stage blood and bronze cast floating corpses to enter.

The soap containers in the lavatories should despense depleted uranium mixed with willie pete. Every bathroom would contain a large paper shredder. The vending machines therein would sell condoms, but with the needles still sticking through them.

[Crabby Appleton]

11. TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 115 > § 2381 - Treason

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/usc_sec_18_00002381----000-.html

Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

[NoodleyAppendage]

18. WTF? So, either you are killed or you only go to prison for > 5 yrs???

Talk about an escape clause in the law...friggin' ridiculous. I was hoping to see the Chimp hang.

J

[NotGivingUp]

64. yeah...quite a wide range there

[Zhade]

12. KICK

KICK

[HCE SuiGeneris]

14. This, along with replacing key State Attorneys at their

"discretion" :puke: are indeed grounds for treason. We are being terrorized by this cabal.

[libodem]

15. He sold our collective soul down the river.

He betrayed us. He has created exponential increases in the number or Arabs that hate us. Or,Muslims. (Terrorists). Americans' have been made less safe. He pissed everybody off SO much. I'm afraid to be an American. I'm afraid to go out of the country. He created a monster that we can't turn our backs on. Teased up into a wild frenzy. That's what he wants. To create havoc. A smoke screen. While he fronts for Cheney, who really has the agenda. This is like having the godfather running Washington. They need their asses kicked out of office and to be punished. A lot! Take away their money. That is what would hurt them the most. They don't know what disgrace is. Bastards.

[fNord]

21. when I travel abroad now, I claim I'm Canadian n/t

:scared:

[The Wielding Truth]

22. How sad that this administration has shamed us into denying citizenship.

[procopia]

19. The complete disregard of numerous 9/11 warnings

when Tenet's "hair was on fire." What could be more treasonous?

[fNord]

20. It takes a lot of brains to be that stupid

of course the regime wants war with Iran. but it doesn't end there. They've got sierra in the cross hairs too. and do you think it will end there? not that that would be an end. the bastard son of Damien wants war with the whole fucking globe. Monkey boy is a fundamentalist christan who, by definition, believes that the bible is the exact word of God. even that wack-job John's whole fire and brimstone ending theory. he has his finger on the panic button begging god, "please!! Please let me be your messenger." He is not stupid......He is BAT SHIT INSANE :nuke:

[uberllama42]

46. I agree that he is not stupid

He lacks intellectual curiosity, which is different. He's about as smart as the average person, but he is completely blinded by his agenda and his beliefs. He cares nothing for innocent life in other countries, just like any othe President before him. He just cares a lot less about the law in this country than most Presidents before him.

Welcome to DU. :hi:

[liberal renegade]

23. He's just spending some of his political capital

after all he earned it, said so himself....

[EstimatedProphet]

24. K&R - this is a very important point being made in this article

What the Republifuckers intend to do is pass Bush off as incompetent. Then they can just say "Bush was bad, but the Neocon ideals are still sound. We need to keep using the Neocon policies and they will work, just with someone more competent than Bush." Then they'll be excused for Bush's treason, WHICH THEY SUPPORT. We can't let them get away with this!

[pberq]

56. great point!

We must remember that the PNAC planned the Iraq invasion back in the 90s.

This fits right in with this comment from another thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=3168481&mesg_id=3170351

[EstimatedProphet]

59. And, we have to keep drilling this point in:

The reason we are where we are right now is because the policy is wrong, not because Bush was a bad president. He was, and is, but there is no way to make a policy of pre-emptive invasion and occupation of countries work as a method of encouraging democracy. You can't force people into democracy - you destroy democracy in doing so.

[EVDebs]

25. Pat Lang's quote from '04 shows me that treason is what Congress should be investigating

Saturday, May 22, 2004 - Page updated at 12:00 A.M.

Iran used Chalabi to dupe U.S., report says

By Knut Royce
Newsday

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2001935950_iranchalabi22.html

"" Patrick Lang, former director of the DIA's Middle East branch, said he had been told by colleagues that Chalabi's U.S.-funded program to provide information about weapons of mass destruction and insurgents was effectively an Iranian intelligence operation. "They (the Iranians) knew exactly what we were up to," he said.

He described it as "one of the most sophisticated and successful intelligence operations in history."

"I'm a spook. I appreciate good work. This was good work," he said. ""

[Kablooie]

26. Definition of Treason

Violation of allegiance toward one's country or sovereign, especially the betrayal of one's country by waging war against it or by consciously and purposely acting to aid its enemies.

A betrayal of trust or confidence.

Willful violation of allegiance to one's country

Willful betrayal of fidelity, confidence, or trust:

Offense of attempting to overthrow the government of one's country or of assisting its enemies in war. In the U.S., the framers of the Constitution defined treason narrowly — as the levying of war against the U.S. or the giving of aid and comfort to its enemies — in order to lessen the possibility that those in power might falsely or loosely charge their political opponents with treason

----

You CAN'T possibly accuse Bush of any of THESE.

:sarcasm:

[VTMechEngr]

58. Actually, Its Article 3, section 3 of the US Consitution

Which is very Narrow!

[Imagevision]

27. It appears pelosi is going to allow Bush to skate, I hope I'm wrong!!

[porphyrian]

28. Don't forget they cut veterans' benefits at the same time...

...to help fund their multiple unprecedented wartime tax cuts that only really benefited the wealthiest Americans. How long do we let the crazy guy drive?

[magellan]

29. They would have us believe SIX intelligence agencies failed them

...regarding the aluminum tubes.

Get that? SIX intelligence agencies all made the SAME mistake.

How likely is that? It's damn near impossible unless they all got together behind the scenes and agreed to give the same flawed analysis. And then you'd have to find motive for all of them to want to do that.

Now ask yourself, what was the one thing they had in common? Where was the weak link?

The point of contact, the ones who were sharing the "evidence" with everyone else: BushCo and the CIA.

But it was no error on their part.

Not commonly known is that the aluminum tubes first came to the attention of the IAEA in early summer 2001. By then, the intelligence community was already in dissent over the CIA's belief that the tubes were for uranium enrichment.

In July 2001, a CIA analyst met with the IAEA in Vienna, where he was told in no uncertain terms the CIA was wrong about what the tubes were for. He then returned to Washington and intentionally misrepresented the IAEA's findings to BushCo. That wasn't the end of the objections from international and domestic experts. The CIA spent a lot of time in 2001 going around trying to convince everyone else of what they had.

Are we to believe the CIA did this off their own backs? Just decided they wanted war with Iraq, so gave BushCo duff information? If so, why was the analyst who misreported the IAEA's findings given an award for "exceptional performance" in August 2003, five months into the invasion of Iraq with no WMD in sight?

And why in December 2004 was CIA Director Tenet awarded the Medal of Freedom, when we'd been in Iraq for over a year and still hadn't found a trace of the much ballyhooed aluminum tubes being used for uranium enrichment?

Why weren't these people arrested and tried for leading us into a war on false evidence instead of hung with medals by Bush** before being retired?

You'd really have to be a dope not to see who was duped...and it wasn't BushCo or the CIA.

[MazeRat7]

31. It was blunder... treason is just over the top rhetoric.

Sorry, but there is no way in hell * is ever going to be convicted of "treason". To even entertain the idea shows a complete lack of understanding of the law and the power elite that run this country. Sure it sounds good and makes us all "feel" good, but statements like that demonstrate that all political parties have an unthinking, emotional fringe that will say anything if it sounds good.

Sure "treason" sounds great... let's get 'em. But apparently the author does not fully understand the definition of treason:

Oran's Dictionary of the Law (1983) defines treason as: "......citizen's actions to help a foreign government overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure the parent nation." In many nations, it is also often considered treason to attempt or conspire to overthrow the government, even if no foreign country is aided or involved by such an endeavor.

Bottom line, sending our men and women to die in a war of "choice" is not conspiring with a "foreign government" to the detriment of this country.

But then how is an author to sell his wares considering if its not "sensational" and "over the top" it doesn't sell....

No wonder the MSM has a field day with us... it asshats like that making unsupportable statements that make any intelligent dem look like a looney.... :mad:

MZr7

[bananarepublican]

36. You simply need to change "... help a foreign government..." with "...help Al Quaida" and hey presto

TREASON!

Massive voter fraud attacks the very foundation of democracy. Subverting your own democratic processes reeks of TREASON.

Anyone involved in the assassinations of Lincoln, JFK, RFK, and the Gulf of Tonkin and 911 'attacks' are F*CKING TRAITORS!!!!!!!

[uberllama42]

47. Sure, we all think that these actions are treasonous

But the justice system will take a narrow view of treason- they always protect members of the power elite. I think there is room for doubt on the charges of treason, though the charges for war crimes and other violations of international law are rock solid. I seriously doubt that any punitive action will be taken against anyone in the government- culpability doesn't usually climb any higher than NCOs for war crimes. The powerful protect their own, even the so-called liberals.

Everyone here knows that these scumbags are criminals, but that doesn't mean that there's any real chance of them being punished.

[CJCRANE]

48. He's helped the Saudis and Israelis

by getting rid of their main irritant - Saddam - at little or no cost in blood and treasure to those countries.

Next on the to-do list is their biggest rival - Iran.

[EVDebs]

54. You might want to look up malfeasance and misfeasance while you have that dictionary out nt

[calimary]

32. VERY happy to recommend this one.

AND to kick it.

[Divine Discontent]

33. he needs impeached, and over half the country would agree I think

when the facts are laid out before Congress.

hey if healthy enough whenever it takes place, I'm all for the impeachment march!


www.cafepress.com/warisprofitable <<-- antibush prodem stickers/shirts

[WinkyDink]

34. Haven't we here known and said this for a while now? Not that it doesn't bear repeating.

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

35. I've been saying that all along

...along with his desertion from the military during the Viet Nam conflict, and assorted war crimes that are stacking up because of Afghanistan and Iraq.

This is NOT an innocent man we're talking about.

[blogslut]

37. k&r

kpete rules.

[Eurobabe]

38. Stepping stone to a larger conflict is what B/C wanted all along

I curse these fuckers every waking day for what they have done to the world.

[uberllama42]

39. The war is about giving contracts to Lockheed and Halliburton

I've thought that from the beginning, and I believe I'm in agreement with Noam Chomsky on this one.

[Time for change]

41. I love it when journalists say it like it is

If we had a lot more of them, we wouldn't be in this mess.

[tabasco]

42. If we do not punish the profiteers who started this unjust war,

it will jut happen again and again until the country is detroyed.

[mmonk]

43. Listen to Dave and save our republic

I suggest people buy copies of this DVD and show it to people. Maybe have a meeting of many people and give it a public showing. I've bought two copies.
http://www.squeakywheel.net/impeachbroadcast.html

[SalmonChantedEvening]

49. It was on from Day One.

Once they had 9/11 as The Reason, the PNAC boys and the Hagee Crusaders told bunnypants this was his Destiny.

His Monkey Ego ablaze, the fool got his war. And WE, not him, will pay dearly for generations to come.

[Martin Eden]

50. It doesn't matter who we're at war with

Whether it's Eastasia or Eurasia the important thing is to be on a permanent war footing -- to concentrate power in fewer hands, to fill the coffers of the military industrial complex, to exert control over as much of the world and its resources as possible, and to suppress true democracy in which power ultimately resides in an informed citizenry.

Those at the helm of our government for the last 6 years are at their core, whether they realize it themselves or not, fascists.

[IWantAChange]

51. Repugs attempted Impeachment of Clinton versus their

complicity/silence in Dubyha's numerous impeachable crimes provides irrefutable proof to me that Repug BizzaroWorld truly exists.

[EVDebs]

53. Doc leaked by Brits during New Year's '04 shows the plans were since '73

...only switch countries from Saudi Arabia to Iraq. Also, rent the movie Three Days of the Condor and pay close attention to if the NYTimes "will print it" (according to Cliff Robertson's CIA character). Answer is NO.

Document reveals Nixon plan to seize Arab oil fields
'70s embargo sparked 'last resort' measure, says British memo

Lizette Alvarez, New York Times

Friday, January 2, 2004

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/01/02/MNG8G427D61.DTL

Did Congress or the people get a say in this fiasco ? No, the corporatocracy/militaryindustrialcongressional complex has ordered this Iraq oil seizure with Permanent Bases included

14 Permanent Bases Iraq
http://www.fcnl.org/iraq/bases.htm

This article, btw, is what is responsible for the Quakers getting spied upon domestically by NSA et al. If the DOD would get its collective head together and realize that switching to alternative fuels is in the country and the military's own best interests we might not have to do some of this globetrotting now would we.

[Vidar]

55. I've been saying this for six years. Nice to see it in print.

[fooj]

57. Treasonous, rat bastards MUST be held accountable.

[Pierzin]

60. Monica got 24/7 Coverage, Bush should Be on Every Hour!!!!!!

kpete does it again. kpete rules. Do you have any free time??

I have been following Dave Lindorff for a few years now. I have the book, This cant be Happening. I got it before the 04 election. But it is happening. What we need are more good progressice people-media like him. We need people like Dave, and Mike Malloy and Amy Goodman and Thom Hartmann. We need people who don't pussy-foot around the issues, we need people who tell it like it is. Haven't Dave Letterman and Jay Leno been joking around about Bush since before the 04 election? Hey, what progressives need is their own TV network! They could get all the radio stars on this new network, and then it would be the liberals answer to MSNBC! Hey, Repukers have practically all the news networks locked up, why should liberals be stuffed into a few radio stations???
And it really is about the MSM people. Sorry if I seem obsessed, but it is. During WWII, that was all you could hear or read about. The Iraq War/Occupation?? It's hardly covered at all, if only to say how many died. Does the Average American know the difference between Shiite and Sunni??? Or Kurd?? Can the Average American empathize with Iraqis? It's just imind-bogggling what the USA has done to that country, and people watch the news and they can't figure out why they hate us?????
Why don't we see more action against this cabal? Why is it so hard for Justice to be served? Will we ever see Bush get impeached? WTF? It's beyond insanity! The Fairness Doctrine needs to be enacted, so Fox News can't propel their propoganda non-stop. And something needs to be done about 90% of the national media being controlled by just 10 companies(or less).
Support your liberal radio stations, your leftist independant media, your international press. That's the only way you will get the straight poop.

Peace, DU! Oh yeah, and I'll kick this thread!

[smoogatz]

61. To the extent that the war was about advancing Israel's agenda

at the expense of America's interests (and considerable expense of American blood and treasure), it was treason. To the extent that everything that's happened since the invasion has advanced Iran's interests in the region at the expense of America's, it's treason. And to the extent that America's interests have been sold out to those of Exxon and Halliburton, it's treason. So yeah, it's treason.

[Kurovski]

62. K&R(nt)

[NotGivingUp]

66. k&r! it's definitely what i've believed for a long time. how do we get it done?

[Prophet 451]

67. Call and raise

I'll go further: The Iraq War was meant to be lost.

Point 1: The Bush admin had the intelligence and tools available to do regime change in Iraq properly: Get in, capture or kill Hussein, set up a democratic government and be out of there in perhaps eighteen months. The expertise was there, the numbers were there. They chose to ignore them. Georgie Boy might be no brain trust but Cheney and Rove were bright enough to know what the inevitible end result would be.

Point 2: Bush and Cheney are both heavily tied to the oil business. Iraq's oil fields are worth billions. However, tieing up Iraq's oil fields so they can't be worked (say, by having a half-assed invasion and disastrous occupation) is potentially worth trillions as the rpice of crude goes through the roof. Economics 101: Supply and demand. Iraq at full capacity is capable of producing perhaps four million barrels of crude. It's OPEC quota was about half that. Now, they could say "the hell with OPEC" and pump at full capacity but that's simply not going to happen because Saudi Arabia has both enough capacity and enough cash built up to open the spiggots, crash the global oil price and thereby destroy the economy of any country that tried it (last one to try was Venezuala which is why Chavez supports the quota system). These days, Iraq would struggle to make a million barrels a year and we've all seen what that's done to the price of gas. There's a lot of money to be made pumping Iraq's oil but even more to be made not doing so. Incidently, know what would push oil prices even higher? Invading Iran.

point 3: Follow the money. Billions from selling Iraq's oil fields versus trillions from crude at five hundred, seven hundred, a thousand dollars a barrel, plus lucrative reconstruction contracts? No contest. Follow the money.

[nada republic-cons]

68. I agree. The cons never planned on 'winning' this war

Everything they've said or done (or not done) has been carefully
thought out. Say one thing, do another and smile!

Look at how many times we've said some version of...
HOW could they be so stupid? WHY would they insult
foreign leaders like that? And so on and on. *Everything*
has been carefully planned.

[glitch]

76. Couldn't agree more. Welcome to DU! nt

[133724]

69. GUILTY AS CHARGED.....

He Levied War Against the United States.....

It is Treason!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Initech]

71. The Resident has committed treason. He should be punished for doing so.

Not just the war, but he should be removed from office due to the insane amount of power he's amassed.

[whistle]

72. Congress has about 75 days to act against Bush/Cheney on impeachment

...otherwise they will have caused damage so great including and most likely a nuclear war, that there will be no way to control the neocons from completely taking over control of the United States and removing all rights from the people.

[Initech]

73. Yeah, this is some scary shit...

I've never really been for impeachment due to the way the last two impeachment trials have ended, but this time I am now convinced it is absolutely necessary.

[meuniermr]

75. No Way? What about the NCO's of the US military? eom.

[BigBearJohn]

78. All you have to ask is WHO IS MAKING MONEY OFF THIS WAR?

[libodem]

79. Spot on....follow the money

You said it.