Lieberman says he will filibuster WITH REPUBLICANS over Iraq escalation

[Bluebear]

Sen. Joe Lieberman, an independent Democrat from Connecticut, is breaking with Democrats over President Bush's plan to increase the number of American troops in Iraq. Lieberman supports the plan, saying that withdrawing troops would be a recipe for failure. Melissa Block talks with Lieberman...

BLOCK: Can you imagine a scenario where you would join in with a Republican filibuster to stop the resolution, if it comes to that?

SEN. LIEBERMAN: I can because I think that it – this is this important.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6923802

[illinoisprogressive]

1. traitorous opportunist. With McCain falling and Joe as his lapdog, how long does he have?

[Nutmegger]

2. Fucking NPR, he got elected as an INDEPENDENT

Why can't no one state that? That burns me up to no end. :mad::grr:

LIEberMe is an effing disgrace. I'm deeply ashamed that I live in a state that voted for this pig. We tried to warn people. We knew this would happen. Not for a minute did I buy his sudden anti-war stance. He's a phony, a liar and an egotistical, bloviating loon who deserves nothing but shame for what he has done.

I'm sorry America.

[Divine Discontent]

3. sorry...

I hated seeing him elected too. I'm sure you tried so hard for us all, thank you!

so many people just don't give a shit, and THIS is what they get for their ignorance.

can he be repealed out by emergency vote? surely those that care in your state are fuming.


www.cafepress.com/warisprofitable <<-- antibush prodem stickers/shirts

[cool user name]

39. I want to know too? Can Zell Lieberman be recalled? n/t

[stevedeshazer]

8. It's not your fault

Joe will have his day.

[ribrepin]

16. If the SOB does this, we need to have DU posting the names of any pundit

who calls him a democrat. He was elected as an Independent and he should stay an Independent. When some Chucklehead pundit calls him a democrat, we should pound them with E-mails.

[cool user name]

38. If you find that Jennifer girl who suddenly feels ashamed for voting for him ...

... please punch her in the face for me. Thanks.

:hi:

I'm normally not violent but that's just the last straw.

[cboy4]

4. LIe-beran has so much goddam blood on his hands. It's

fascinating he finds a way to sleep peacefully at night knowing he's teamed up with a bunch of killers.

Totally despicable.

I cannot believe this is the same person I voted for in 2000. What a creep.

[countmyvote4real]

7. Did you know the HRC endorsed him over Lamont? n/t

[cboy4]

12. Yes, I realize HRC is far from perfect. However, the organization does a lot

of good when it comes to human rights, and until something better comes along, I'm will continue to offer my support.

After all, I don't necessarily approve of every Democratic candidate, but I support the Democrat.

That's the way I voted in November.....a straight Democratic ticket, even though I held my nose for a couple of people.

There's no perfect organization or candidate.

[w4rma]

30. LIEberman wasn't the Democrat in that race. (nt)

[saracat]

14. Link ?

[Emit]

23. For a moment there, I thought you meant the Hillary Rodham Clinton n/t

[Missy M]

35. Hillary fully supported Lamont when he won the primary...

so your statement isn't entirely true.

[Zhade]

56. The poster meant Human Rights Campaign...

...one of the most corporate-friendly equal rights groups there is.

[DianaForRussFeingold]

5. He will always be remembered as the Benedict Arnold of the 21 century

[countmyvote4real]

6. His high-mindedness is so far up his ass, he doesn’t know up from down.

However, his pocket and bank account do manage to sort out his real agenda: Me. Me. Me.

Why can’t he come out as the Republican he has always been and still is?
Me. Me. Me.

He’s playing both sides because there is no money too good or too dirty, just as long as it enriches him and his neo-con bruders.

[Porcupine]

10. Brownnosing Bush so hard he flosses Georgie's back teeth. nt.

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[fujiyama]

17. Link?

Why is this dual loyalty thing always used as a motive for Joe?

I think it's obvious he's an ass hole regardless.

[LeftishBrit]

34. I agree 100% with you

Firstly, his views do NOT represent Israel; they do go along with a subsection of Israeli views: the Likud. Not all Israelis support the Likud and related parties, and many think that the Likud and Bush approaches are disastrous for Israeli security. Just as not all Americans love Bush!

Secondly, there are plenty of right-wing, neo-con types who are prepared to support Bush. Nothing to do with 'dual loyalties'. The right-wingers who supported Pinochet and Botha did not (mostly) have dual Chilean or South African citizenship. Blair and his colleagues are very much like Lieberman in many ways (imperialist, warmongering Bush-poodles who betrayed a left-of-centre party) and I never heard that Blair or John Reid or Geoff Hoon or David Blunkett had Israeli citizenship. Or even American citizenship, given their support of Bush!

[orleans]

11. joe was in on the planning stages of the war

check this out:
"In 2002, Lieberman became an honorary co-chair, along with George Shultz and Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), of the Committee for the Liberation of Iraq, an advocacy outfit spearheaded by a number of neoconservative stalwarts, including Jeane Kirkpatrick, William Kristol, Robert Kagan, Richard Perle, James Woolsey, and Eliot A. Cohen. According to the group's mission statement, “The Committee for the Liberation of Iraq was formed to promote regional peace, political freedom, and international security by replacing the Saddam Hussein regime with a democratic government that respects the rights of the Iraqi people and ceases to threaten the community of nations.” "
(emphasis is mine)

http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/3357

"The Committee for the Liberation of Iraq (CLI) was set up in late 2002 by Bruce Jackson, a director of the Project for the New American Century (PNAC) and former Lockheed Martin vice president. Shortly after the 2003 U.S. invasion of Iraq, CLI closed shop, announcing on its website: “Following the successful liberation of Iraq, the committee has ceased its operations.” "

http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1458

check out this website--there is a ton of stuff on here:
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/?sort=title_tagline#gov

[and-justice-for-all]

13. He is a Repukelican....

and no one should be surprised that he would side with the thugs. But, good luck with that filibuster, we will just hand you your ass some other way.

PS: We are DONE with the fucking-up of the middle east!! They all need to check into reality, its really quite nice.

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[fujiyama]

18. This is stupid

His statements and actions with regards to Iraq are inline with the majority of republicans. Are you saying they all have dual identities?

I don't believe he "counts the best interest of America as his number one priority", but frankly I don't with many politicians and especially a majority of republicans in recent years.

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[fujiyama]

25. Dual citizenship is iffy, certainly

It's worth questioning, whether politicians and public officeholders, and high level advisors should be allowed to have dual citizenship. Personally, I don't think they should. I agree it's a conflict of interest for policy makers.

The problem in this case, is people are asking whether Joe is strongly supporting the war, solely due to his religious affiliation. Also, when people speak about his strong support for Israel, they neglect to note that a majority of congresspeople who are NOT Jewish have similar, if not EXACT records with regards to Israel and the Middle East. Are we now going to say they all have dual identities? After all, there are maybe THREE republican Jews in Congress.

Why aren't people asking the same of say...John McCain, another strong proponent of the "surge"? Oh, wait could it be because he's not Jewish?

It could just be that Lieberman supports this surge because he's a spiteful ass hole war-mongerer...and that has little to do with his religion. Now, I'm not saying his support for the war has nothing to do with his strong support of Israel. It probably plays a part in the thought process, as it has for many neo-cons.

[LeftishBrit]

57. Also, it doesn't sound like real 'dual citizenship'

Farrakhan said in the quote that I read that 'as an Orthodox Jew, Lieberman has dual citizenship with Israel'. In fact, Orthodox Jews don't have dual citizenship. What all Jews - including anyone, Orthodox, Reform or atheist, who has a Jewish mother. - do have, is the 'right of return'. Israel has to accept them if they wish to go and live there. That doesn't mean they have an Israeli passport, or any right to vote there, etc., unless they do move to Israel. It's not the same as dual citizenship. (I should know, as I have both the right of return, as the daughter of a Jewish mother, AND dual British/Canadian citizenship, and they are very different things.)

And the right of return is an Israeli law concerning all Jews, not something that individual Jews choose to have. Therefore, bringing it up against a Jewish politican IS anti-semitic. It reminds me of nothing so much as our own racist Tory politician Norman Tebbit's bringing up the 'cricket test' for British Asians' loyalty to Britain: suspecting that they might root for India or Pakistan against Britain in a cricket match, and that this implies some form of disloyalty.

I have distrusted Joe Lieberman probably for as long as anyone here. To be precise, since 1988, when as a strong Dukakis fan I followed the American elections closely from here, and noticed that Lieberman won his seat by running against his Republican opponent from the right - something that seemed (and still seems) to me incompatible with being a Democrat. I didn't like Gore choosing him as his running mate in 2000. I detest him now. I detest him even more because we've got too many Bush-poodles in our own left-of-centre party. But I won't accept anti-semitic charges against anyone, and I consider this to be one.

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[fujiyama]

27. Mr. Farrakhan is not exactly a worthy source

being that he is a notorious anti-semite.

Now, I'm not denying the possibility of Joe being a dual citizen, but I would have expected to hear a lot more by now if that were in fact the case. I'm sure, we would have heard a LOT about that in '00 being that he was running for VP.

[Emit]

45. And I did not quote him necessarily as a source, but, instead, on purely a historical note

And, if you reread my post, I include not only Farrakhan's comment but also a link to the fact that other sources denied Farrakhan's claim. It wasn't so much about who brought it up, it was about the fact that it was brought up. So, the point of my post is that the question remains unanswered. I did not find, for example, a response by Lieberman himself, or a statement from him denying Farrakhan's claim or explaining his citizenship status, although there might be one out there.

On a side note, the poster asked about dual citizenship. I see nothing wrong with asking that question. The post did not seem inflammatory in his question. I see no reason why it was deleted.

To your second point, I also put a link to Russert's interview with Farrakhan -- apparently, it was an important enough incident at that time to make NBC's network -- I have no idea if other networks carried it. However, Russert's interview dealt more with criticism of Farrakhan for being an anti-Semite for making the claim, and there appeared no attempt on Russert's part to investigate whether Lieberman did, in fact, have dual citizenship. Is our media not allowed to ask those kinds of questions? Can we not even have a discussion about that?

Lastly, the report that I linked to (http://www.cis.org/articles/2005/dualcitizenship.html )

offers an interesting discussion on the matter for issues concerning dual citizenship.

Edited for spelling

[harveyrunner]

48. A little more worthy than Bush or Lieberman, I believe.

[yojon]

44. Is Farrakhan more faithful to the Nation of Islam than to the US?

He may not think of it in that way though..

[enigmatic]

19. I'll say it again

Lieberman is the King Douchebag of Douchebags.

[Emit]

22. I caught the tail-end of this interview on NPR while driving

That part where he explains how he differs from the Democratic Party on national security matters. I need to listen to that again, as that is key to what is happening right now with the DLC and the party. His tone was arrogant, and he talked as if it were shameful or naive for Democrats to be anything less that hawkish on the matter.

[malaise]

24. Did the Clintons help Lieberman

by showing up to give him support. I am seriously confused re all these contradictions.

[w4rma]

32. The Clintons were sneaky about it. (nt)

[blm]

54. Clintons were VERY instrumental in helping Joe, as were other popular Dem lawmakers.

I don't think it's coincidence that Lamont's message had trouble getting out in the general election after Hillary Clinton's communications director went to 'help' him as her contribution to supporting Lamont.

Neither Clinton could make their way to Connecticut to campaign for Lamont.And Bill said PUBLICLY to Larry King that Dems wouldn't lose because they had two good Dems running.

[CatWoman]

26. and his surprises who?

can't this asshole be recalled?

[xchrom]

28. and there it is.

the moment we've been waiting to hear about.

[The Backlash Cometh]

29. I wonder if those people who voted for Lieberman in Connecticut are

proud of themselves for this.

[mmonk]

31. He is in love with this crime against peace.

[MzNov]

33. Is anyone surprised? n/t

[peekaloo]

36. What a Fresca!

I suppose this is why he ran as an "independent", proof he can think for himself.

:sarcasm:

[LynnTheDem]

37. Just like George W. bUsh, Lieberman says FUCK YOU to 72% of America.

The 72% of America who OPPOSE bush's escalation.

That's good to know; thanks for admitting it publicly, Lieberman.

[Bjorn Against]

40. Remember this guy used to be opposed to filibusters

He was one of the ones who formed the fake "compromise" with Republicans to allow them to have all their judges. Now that the Democrats are in the majority however he suddenly is OK with filibusters again. What a traitorous hypocrite.

[Zodiak]

42. dang...you and I think alike n/t

[Zodiak]

41. History lesson

When Democrats were threatening to filibuster three ridiclously right-wing judges who had no concept of the Constitution, Joe formed a coalition with the pukes to end the filibuster. Everyone remembers the "gang of 14" who thought their party's principles meant nothing and that filibusters were a cheap political stunt.

Now Joe happily filibusters to protect an unpopular Republican president in a war that everyone hates.

And people STILL say he is a Democrat. He is an albatross around our necks.

Joe only believes in filibustes when the Democrats are in the majority. There is no better evidence that he is a mole.

[Vinca]

43. What the hell was Connecticut thinking???????????????? nt

[tabasco]

46. Lieberman thinks Israel is the 51st state

and Iraq is the 52nd.

[in_cog_ni_to]

47. This doesn't surprise me one bit. Bastard. What a loser. It makes me ill to think I voted for him

in 2000. I wonder what Al Gore thinks of Lieberman these days? Is he kicking himself in the ass too? I would be.

[Vidar]

49. Lieberman belongs underneath the treads of a tank in the war he loves so well.

[LostInAnomie]

50. My highest hope for '08 (other than a Dem. Pres)...

... is that we pick up a couple more Senate seats. With a few more seats we no longer have to deal with this fucking traitor. The Repukes won't have him either because of his other positions.

He'll be a marginalized nothing. Won't even be in the news. To an arrogant fuck like him that's a fate worse than death.

[depakid]

51. History will revile this man

Not that he would care... but people will remember what he's done.

I often wonder what Al Gore was thinking. Why on earth would he have chosen such a person as his running mate. It was obvious even then who Joe Lieberman was.

[Morgana LaFey]

53. Some of us aren't waiting that long.

I heared (I think the figure was) 71% of REpublicans voted for him.

[depakid]

60. People will also remember

All of the selfish and destructive things that Republicans- and their enablers have done.

I reckon historians will draw a line- right about 1981, when Reagan tore the solar panels off of the Whitehouse roof.

Revulsion is exactly what they'll see and feel beyond that line. Not that the likes of Joe or Hadassah Lieberman would care.

[Guaranteed]

52. Yes, there certainly WAS a reason we didn't nominate him. nt

[understandinglife]

55. People of Connecticut - RECALL LIEberman ...

BE THE BU$H OPPOSITION - 24/7

[BenDavid]

58. Well hell Joe, I knew were

meshuggener, but when you this past week broke your promise you made back in March 15, 2006 to seek subpoenas from the White House on their performance before, during, and after Katrina,I say, "shame on you" and "may this pain of shame force you to fear being exposed for who you really are."
Ben-David

[stranger81]

59. Holy Joe is a sack of shit [eom]