Let's put this another way -- would you vote for Lieberman if he got the Democratic nomination??

[stranger81]

Looking at the "logic" in the Hillary poll thread, we're all obligated to support any nominee that wins the Democratic primary nomination, regardless of their views on the critical issues.

So let's hear it -- how many of you would support Holy Joe given that rationale?

And how would that vote, in terms of practical policy impact, differ in any substantive way from a vote for McCain or Guiliani?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. If your aunt had wheels would she be a pastry cart?

The premise itself is silly because in no known universe would Joe Loserman get the Dem nomination.

[stranger81]

4. Of course he'd never get the nomination . . . . .

I'd just like to tease a little more nuance out of the black and white thinkers over on the Hillary thread, if that's possible.

[koopie57]

13. maybe find something else

to tease us with cuz that was just stupid.

[stranger81]

19. OK, guess it's not possible.

Some folks you can reason with, and others you can't.

[kimmerspixelated]

12. Good one!

:rofl:

[Frances]

17. Great analogy--I was wondering how to reply to such

silliness

[Kurovski]

24. Lol!

My aunt the tart needs a lift, can she pull up around 8 tonight?

[R_M]

34. That 's the best way to put it.

I would not vote for him for anything. He cannot be trusted.

[dsc]

2. Mc Cain

is a solid conservative. He opposes abortion in all cases save life of the mother, he opposes ENDA, hate crimes, and gay marriage (he even voted for Arizona's amendment which banned civil unions too). He has cavorted with Falwell just recently. Lieberman is very different.

[liberal N proud]

3. Hillary is not Lieberman

Lieberman is a DINO, Hillary is a conservative Democrat big difference.

But many people did vote for a ticket with Lieberman on it, so yes many will vote for Hillary if she gets the nomination

[stranger81]

5. Agreed. But if a DINO were nominated instead of Hil,

would you still vote for them?

[liberal N proud]

18. I voted for a republican once. ONCE!

I think a DINO would be better than what we have now or any of the full fledged repuke presidents we have had since Eisenhower

[WindRavenX]

6. I don't think anyone has said that we're "obligated" to vote for Hill if she gets the nom...

...many people have said they will not vote for her in the primaries, though. I don't think anyone here is voting for Lieberman in the primaries.

[stranger81]

8. Have a look at the Hillary poll thread -- lots of folks have said exactly that

[WindRavenX]

9. yikes

I hate false dichotomies x(

[aquart]

29. THAT's what it's called! I couldn't remember.

[SammyWinstonJack]

7. How can he get the Democratic nomination when he is an Independent?

:shrug:

[stranger81]

11. He only switched parties when it was politically convenient,

and he'd do it again if it were again to his advantage. Let me make it clear that I think monkeys would fly out of my ass before Joe Lieberman got the Democractic nomination, but I'm so curious to know what's driving these people who feel that you should vote for the Democratic primary nominee regardless of who is it or what they believe.

[Warren DeMontague]

15. He didn't "switch parties", he lost his primary, and ran anyway.

That's not playing by party rules. Therefore, even if he were to win the Dem. Nomination for president (and monkeys flew out of your ass) I wouldn't feel obligated to play by MY party rules and vote for the guy.

[SammyWinstonJack]

16. Well I hope that doesn't happen, because I could never vote for him.

I'll vote for any Democratic candidate who gets the Democratic nomination, lieberman being the exception.

[mmonk]

10. No

[Warren DeMontague]

14. He's not a Democrat anymore.

So, no.

[MoonRiver]

20. Why do we keep getting these threads asking us if we would vote for an Independent??

As far as I know an Independent wouldn't have a snowball's chance in you know where to win the Democratic primary!
:wtf:

[The Magistrate]

21. Since Lieberman Will Not Get the Nomination, Ma'am

This is mere pointless noise....

The question is a simple one, and there is a right and a wrong answer to it: are you going to support the Democratic Party's nominee for President in '08, ot are you going to take the splinterist route and materially assist the Republican Party?

[terrya]

23. That's correct, Sir.

I myself have had enough of Republican governance in this country, thank you.

Health care, Social Security (and none of this privatization nonsense), global warming, stopping this business of raiding the Federalist Society for the Federal judiciary (and putting another right winger on the Supreme Court), the rank corruption of this White House...the list goes on and on. I will not do anything that assists in giving the Republicans 4 more years of power. It's that simple.

[The Magistrate]

26. Well Said, My Friend!

A pleasure to see you about the forum, Sir!

[terrya]

28. Thank you, Sir.

I must profess that I'm mystified reading some of the things here the past 2 days. I mentioned in one thread yesterday that I had the same sort of attitudes in the 2000 election...I really didn't see any difference between the Democrats and Republicans. In my foolish naivete, I didn't see any difference between Al Gore and George W. Bush. In fact, I volunteered for the Green Party for a bit and voted for Nader. And now...I see that vote as dangerously stupid. I did not make that mistake in 2004 and will certainly not make that mistake in 2008.

[stranger81]

31. to all those who say Lieberman is not a Democrat,

who did you vote for in 2000? And what about Lieberman has changed in the interim other than the letter behind his name on C-SPAN?

[The Magistrate]

35. He Left The Party, Ma'am

He is carried on the Senate rolls as an Independent,though he caucuses with the Democrats, and our Senate majority is owed to that.

It is pretty clear that he has broken with the Party on the question of the occupation of Iraq, and on the need for rigorous investigation of wrong-doing by the present regime. Neither of these items were political questions in the 2000 election.

[stranger81]

27. In 2008, with the field of serious candidates we have running, Sir,

I would vote for any of them in a heartbeat in the general election. My question is a more philosophical one (which, I, suppose, some might consider "pointless noise" by nature) about the "my party, right or wrong" position reflected in many of this morning's posts, and what would happen if our party were once again in jeopardy as it was in 1948. History repeats itself eventually, and I wonder what many of my fellow Democrats would do in that event.

While I'm sure most would say this could never happen, I would have laughed in the face of anyone who told me in 1999 that the Supreme Court would install * as president in 2000 and that the World Trade Towers would no longer exist in two years. I've lost my ability to believe that anything is unthinkable.

Finally, Sir, I'm obligated to say that I'm an admirer of your eloquent and thoughtful contributions to this board. You always have something interesting and well-reasoned to offer.

[The Magistrate]

33. My Own Inclinations, Ma'am, Are Pretty Practical

It seems to me that the duty of the left is to defeat right reaction, and so in our present situation, the task is to provide material assistance against the worst elements of reaction in our nation's polity. There is no other vehicle for such action than the Democratic Party, as matters stand now. Therefore, the line that some Democrat or other is not left enough, and attempts to persuade people to action on the line, seem to me worse than pointless: they would have, if put into operation, the practical effect of assisting the Republican Party, under whose banner the worst elements of reaction are gathered.

[RiverStone]

22. Loserman is already a rethug - how could that happen?

[SaveElmer]

25. Lieberman is not a Democrat...by his own admission...nt

[jsamuel]

30. I don't think that is a fair comparison, Lieberman isn't a Democrat.

[cynatnite]

32. Not that there's a chance in hell he'd run or even get the nom...

but if I close my eyes really hard and imagine it...yeah, I'd do it. I'd get good and drunk before I go voting. We've been burned so badly by the repukes that I would vote for any dem, even Lieberman, to get them out of power.