Don't want a sonogram? Stay out of Mississippi!

[11 Bravo]

A House Committee in the Mississippi state legislature has passed a bill that will not only criminalize abortion without exception for rape, incest, or health of the brood mare (pardon me, I mean mother); but will also REQUIRE said breeders to undergo sonograms in the early part of their pregnancy so that the semen receptacles would hear a fetal heartbeat. I wonder how the allegedly pro-choice Republican voters are feeling these days.

:sarcasm:

http://www.sunherald.com/mld/sunherald/13984932.htm

on edit: typo

[babylonsister]

1. Brood mare, breeders? Your choice of words

stinks, regardless of what info you're trying to relay here. Last I checked, it takes two, a male being the other half of the equation.

[11 Bravo]

2. Sorry, I thought the sarcasm was obvious.

I was attempting to describe how the people supporting this bill view women. I'll go back and add the appropriate icon.

[Occulus]

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[theHandpuppet]

3. And what of women who miscarry?

Not all pregnancies end in live birth. My own mother had two miscarriages before her third trimester. So what's next? Shall we put women who miscarry on trial where they will have to prove they naturally aborted? What if they smoked or had a drink during pregnancy? Didn't get proper prenatal care? Should we charge them with manslaughter? Just how far is this going?

The Handmaid's Tale -- the frightening reality coming to a neighborhood near you!

[mtnester]

12. For every woman (and man too) that hs NOT read the Handmaid's Tale

Here are your links:

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?z=y&isbn=038549081X&itm=1

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/038549081X/sr=8-1/qid=1141225871/ref=pd_bbs_1/103-1910429-9890201?%5Fencoding=UTF8

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=64209&item=8773249690

or try your local Half Price Books store, the library (author Margaret Atwood)

Like 1984 and a Brave New World, this is a MUST read, IMO, if you have not. For me, since I have had the tubal, I suppose my choices will be as an Aunt or death. Since I freely chose the tubal, probably death.

On edit - shoot, I forgot I could probably work as a prostitute in one of the gentleman's clubs...by I think I would rather just go ahead and be dead.

[GreenPartyVoter]

16. I miscarried at lesat twice too. I hope most docs won't try to get their

patients charged with murder when they are already heartbroken at not carrying to term. :eyes:

[kestrel91316]

17. Yep, they re going to want to start tracking evey pregnancy

next thing you know, and if you spontaneously miscarry, WATCH OUT!

[liberalnurse]

4. Ultrasounds are a standard of practice

for pre-abortion screening, as is a pregnancy test, lab work and choice education.

Determining the gestational age is absolutely essential to the procedure. Additionally, no one can be forced to hear the "beeps". Volume is always off in my experiences as is the screen not visible to the client.

[11 Bravo]

7. I agree about the efficacy of ultrasound. But this bill is written ...

at least as I read it, to mandate that expectant mothers hear a heartbeat. That is the expressed intent of the bill. The bill's authors apparently believe that once they hear an actual fetal heartbeat, all those thousands of women who think, "Hey, I've got a few hours to kill before lunch, I think I'll go have an abortion." may change their minds.

[liberalnurse]

10. They can not force someone to listen....

Patients have rights which trump this shannaigan. Research the Patients Bill of Rights.....there may be one just for Mississippi.

Secondly, the clinic will honor the right to privacy....no fundy police will be there to patrol the ultrasound process. I'd keep the volume off and if they ask, say, "I don't hear anything."

Secondly, the ultrasound measures the skull for gestational age....a pulsation is not the goal here.

[Gormy Cuss]

20. I'd like to think that you're right on this point but

we have pharmacists in this country refusing to dispense legal medications to patients with valid prescriptions. Most medical personnel honor a patient's right to privacy, but if they believe they have the moral authority to dissuade women by any means necessary, I predict that the patient's right to privacy will be drowned out by the ultrasound volume set to high.

[11 Bravo]

21. I hope you're correct.

I'm not conversant with patient's rights in the state of Mississippi. However, the sole thrust of the OP was to point out the lengths to which many in the anti-choice crowd will go in order to restrict a woman's right to choose.

[liberalnurse]

25. There are doing the same thing

here in Ohio....well the goal is the same, just different twists....The gig now is to add last minute Amendments to good Bills which make the Bill 100% different that what was discussed in Committee. That happened yesterday in the Ohio Senate. The last line is the clincher which needs explained...

Freeper-Fundy thinking.....(this is tricky to explain)

It means, that a physician /clinic who may of preformed a diagnostic test for fetal abnormalities will NOT have to tell a woman that there is any thing wrong if that is indeed the case. ( such as anacephalic, Downs Syndrome)....

This protects them, the physician, from liability according to the right wing nuts. They claim that if a pregnant women saying later, "Oh, they didn't tell me about that disability, I would of had an abortion if I knew that".

In reality, this meanings:

They physicians, do not have to tell a woman that the test was positive for any disability...including Downs, anacephalic, spinal bifida...etc...Thus, a women has lost the right to choose by default and or lack of information.

As Passed by the Senate

126th General Assembly
Regular Session
2005-2006
Sub. H. B. No. 287



A BILL
To amend sections 3702.30 and 3702.31 and to enact sections 2305.116 and 3702.301 of the Revised Code to exempt certain freestanding birthing centers from the requirement that a center obtain a health care facility license from the Director of Health and to provide that there is no cause of action on a medical claim that because of an act or omission an abortion was not performed

[Kingshakabobo]

5. WTF?

"He said he woke up about 3 a.m. Tuesday and decided to introduce his proposal, and he only told two House staff members about his plans before he made the move."

:scared: General Jack D. Ripper? Is that you? Was it during the physical act of love that you felt this "emptiness"..??


"I have a strong dilemma within myself on this," Holland said. "I can only impregnate. I can't get pregnant myself." :scared:

[BOSSHOG]

6. I live in Mississippi

and there is an incredible number of unwed mothers driving by signs advertising DNA and drug testing everyday. And you can't drive a half mile down the highway without being greeted by some marquee outside a baptist church condeming us all to hell. By the looks and actions and lifestyles of a large segment of the state's populace, I'd have to say the "christians" have failed. I guess they will rely on the state legislature to force part of their beliefs on us all. Funny, no one gets stoned to death for working on the sabbath.

[acmejack]

8. You weren't aware that it was optional which of the Scriptures

one chose to honor? No wonder you were confused Boss! You are allowed four "gimmes", so just select four verses which you find particularly onerous & next time you communicate with the Lord, in whatever style of prayer in which you engage, merely call them to his attention! God will issue you a special dispensation and POOF no problemo, you will be freed from those pesky restrictions on your personal behavior!

I'm amazed you haven't heard of this before. How do you think so many devout Christian republiCONs have been able to maintain their faith yet act in the fashion in which they have?

[BOSSHOG]

9. An old shipmate of mine

was a drunken old salt in the service, borderline reliable, cussed (well) like a Sailor, currently on wife number three. Somehow, after he retired he found the Lord and our friendship evaporated, but he told me he knew he was going to heaven because he was saved; and that I was full of sin. My sinfulness paled in comparison to his carryings on in our steaming days, but I guess that all gets forgotten.

[A Simple Game]

14. You can be bad for 50 years, ask forgiveness, die the next day

and go to heaven. You can be good for 50 years, screw up one day, die the next day and go to hell.

If I decide to have a God, mine will be much smarter than that. My God would not be so easily fooled.

[SCantiGOP]

11. this has been done before

In Romania, before they shot Ceausescu, women were required to go to the clinic monthly to be checked for pregnancy. The goal was to increase the population for the fatherland. Women who lost the baby could be fined or even imprisoned. I sent a letter to the editor at the time pointing out that it takes a totalitarian government to effectively stop abortions.
In another vein, this may turn out to be a blessing for our side by pushing rational people away from the republican party.

[Coexist]

15. What if you don't think they are safe?

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/04/07/MNGLL61MJM1.DTL
<snip>

In fact, the FDA advised expectant mothers in January not to patronize such "keepsake" ultrasound businesses, warning that "the long-term effects of repeated ultrasound exposures to the fetus are not fully known," even after three decades of routine use in prenatal care.

...would this be a legal way to overturn it?

[Gormy Cuss]

18. Here's hoping the law of unintended consequences bites them

Rep. Omeria Scott, D-Laurel, persuaded the House committee to approve an amendment that says the state would provide free education and medical services to any child born in the state, until age 19.

Move to Mississippi and have guaranteed health insurance for your kids. The free education part you can already get in other states.

The law requiring sonograms with the intent purpose of letting women hear fetal heartbeats could mean that doctors and clinics would be required to turn up the volume, and even if it doesn't, watch it happen anyway.

[area51]

19. Payment.

Just who is going to pay for these forced sonograms? If the nazis are so damned desperate for them to be done, shouldn't they raise the taxes in MS to help pay for them?

[liberalnurse]

26. It is not the sonogram.....

it is the attempt to detect a pulsation and force a woman to listen.......Next, they will be forcing women to listen to old Pat Boone records!!!!!!:scared:

[underpants]

22. brood mare

LOL

So they are to be shamed into having even thought about having an abortion? Geesh don't they have anything else to worry about...no of course not this is Mississippi that we are talking about :eyes:

[underpants]

23. I would suspect Gov.Barbour is all too pleased to take a pen in hoof

and sign this.

Honestly look at that guy. Have you seen him walking? Take one look at him walking and tell me there isn't some actual SWINE in his blood lines. Seriously he looks like a pig walking on its hindlegs.

Two legs bad.

[DELUSIONAL]

24. So if the breeders are deaf??

"breeders" -- using the real words of the idiots.

Women are to these monsters are merely a walking uterus.

I think we will see even more outrageous red state laws from deranged male anti privacy advocates.