Looks like Lou Dobbs is gonna trash the Clinton Admin for selling out

[CatWoman]

American assets as well.

He is also to keep reporting about the Chimp Administration and Dubai.

I'm going home for the day.

I hope someone keeps track of Lou's show so that I can read about it when I get hom.

[Beaverhausen]

1. Dean's on next?

My honey just called to tell me about it. wish I could watch. Can someone post some details?

[still_one]

2. That is what NAFTA is all about

[Warren Stupidity]

3. I'm OK with that.

It really isn't (as far as I am concerned) about selling our ports to arab-owned companies, it is about selling our ports and infrastructure to foreign companies, arab or british or whatever, and primarily it is about why we are privatizing public infrastructure at all. The fact that half the freepers fell off their stumps over the 'ports to the a-rabs' part of it is a bonus that we don't need to even talk about. What a wedge issue. And we never have to mention the a-rab word, the foamers will do it for us.

[Pirate Smile]

4. Why is the phrase "pre-9/11 mindset" flying through my brain right

now?

[SoCalDem]

5. Lou is not "our special friend"

Lou is a corporatist/capitalist/libertarian who likes MONEY, and feels in his gut that EVERYTHING wrong in the US is "because of the foreigners"...illegal or otherwise

[wanpete]

7. Agreed. He's no real friend of progressives...

[Armstead]

6. Dobbs is right on that

The Democratic Centrist Corporate Globalists were right in there with the GOP in the selling out of America and sacrificing our sovergnty.

[faithnotgreed]

10. absolutely

clearly not to the extent of what we have now with this evil regime but there is definitely plenty of corruption in the dlc ranks that should be exposed
of course we all love it when lou rails about this administration (and rightly so) but im glad the corporate media will reveal the truth* of all those who are connected to the selling of peoples lives in the name of corporatism and the power-hungry
and that didnt just start 5 years ago

* i do understand this is quite tricky however
since often the corporate media doesnt begin to equally cover the entire problem while consistently allowing the rnc to peddle their talking points masked as "news"

[Armstead]

11. At least Dobbs is rejecting the GOP Koolaid

[peanutbrittle]

8. What happened to Joe Biden's head?

He looks like he fell asleep in a tanning booth or something?

[Armstead]

9. Ash Wednesday?

[liveoaktx]

23. Heh. I was wondering that too....

[Gabi Hayes]

12. now he's going after those tapes of what * knew beforehand

he's being BRUTAL on this

calling them out in another LIE....not using the L word, of course, but pointing out statements 'that are not entirely true'

[napi21]

14. Lou used the "L" word last night!

Don't be too surprised if he does it again!

[Gabi Hayes]

20. yeah, I heard that, but he kind of snuck it in there, without DWELLING

on it the way they did when they did the whole impeachment farce

when are they going to start doing their JOB?

[sandnsea]

13. Yeah, Republicans just hated free trade

All through the 90's they were ranting about Clinton's free trade policies, begging him to put immigration regulations on the CNMI, put labor rights in the Jordan trade deal, encourage India to supply more water to its poor, remove patent rights from AIDS drugs. Yes, I remember it well.

:sarcasm:

[Armstead]

16. Everyone who supported and pushed this Scam should be chastized

The whole premise of overturning the role of government and handing it all over to market forces dictated by the elite oligarchs and transnational corporations was complete idiocy from the beginning.

Republican, Democrat Independent -- it doesn't matter. The Emperor had no clothes.

A lot of progressives and liberals tried to warn about all of this back then. But did the "smart grown ups" listen or stop and do any damn thinking about the implications?

Nooooooooo. They knew better than us.

Now unfortunately we all have to stew in the rotten juices the elite corporatists of both parties created.

[sandnsea]

25. We'v had this discussion before

All I will add is that real progressives and liberals support trade as a means to lift the poor out of poverty. Progressives and liberals support bottom up trade, they have forever. Did you miss the campaign for fair trade coffee, certified lumber, etc??

This is quite different than Delay's Mariana petri dish of completely unregulated exploitation of people and resources. Lou Dobbs is the kind of Republican who supports this kind of shit until it literally explodes in his face. Then, he find someone to blame, and if he can find a Democrat, all the better.

Of course, people who don't pay attention to details make Lou's job a whole lot easier.

[Armstead]

27. "Fair Trade" is NOT "free trade"

I've been paying attention since the 1970's, thank you very much.


This is not and has never been about the benefits of international trade. It has always been about whether the rules will be drawn up by global oligarchs or by the people in civic democratic proceses.

The WTO/NAFTA/CAFTA and all the rest are counterproductive to the goals you mentioned.

Nothing that is happening now is a surprise to those who were warning against all of this, and begging and pleading for Clinton to step back from this precipice in the 1990's.


Corporate "free trade" made no sense in the 1990's and now the chickens have come home to roost.

[sandnsea]

31. Clinton intrended there to be fair trade

He didn't intend for corporations to rape and exploit the world, and he didn't intend for countries to let them either. I'm sure you remember the harping from the business community that they weren't bad guys, really they weren't, trust them. NAFTA was based on that trust, along with side agreements and the laws in Canada and Mexico. NAFTA isn't really bad, in and of itself. If Mexico had implemented better worker protections, taxed better, what have you, maybe there would have been a different result. We certainly should have been more insistent, I think Al Gore would have been.

But the point is when you don't differentiate between Tom Delay's Mariana Islands and Democrats' honest desire for fair trade, you play right into the hands of the right. And that's exactly what Lou Dobbs does. He gives people an outlet for their anger, but he never heads people in the direction we need to go to change anything. Ever notice that? And now, he's going to blame Clinton and Democrats, who are the only hope to ever get to truly fair trade.

So after 5 years, what has Lou Dobbs accomplished? Nothing. Except to convince people there's no economic hope, so they might as well vote on their moral values and elect Republicans again.

He's not our friend.

[Armstead]

32. Dobbs and conservatives isolationists are half-right...

The half that is right is their criticisms about America being sold down the river.

Clinton's big mistake was trusting big business and thumbing his nose at unions and progressives and liberals regarding trade laws and many other policies. It would not be so maddening if this stuff were merely unforeseen consequences. But it ws patently obvious to many people who warned of the exact consequences we are now seeing in many spheres.

I'm sorry but I spent too many years feeling immensly frustrated and angry watching political leadership in BOTH parties kowtow to Big Money, while ignoring the impact of their short sightedness on our economy and the fate of the majority of Americans.

It did not take a genius to see that opening our economy up to that extent was contrary to the interests of workers and smaller domestic businesses and every community in the US. It merely set us up for the Race to the Bottom that we are witnessing today. It also undermined the ability of the US to control its destiny and make its own laws and policies.

And -- from a progressive standpoint -- it has the same negative impact on the nations we want to help. Rather than encouraging balanced domestic economies, they have been transformed into corporate colonies, dependent on exports, with scant little return of the benefits. It also undermines their cultures and self-government by requiring that they also adhere to the rules drawn up by Global Oligarchs.

[sandnsea]

33. We believe in the same thing

Fair trade to help people have a better life, priming the money pump from the ground up, all over the globe.

The difference is, I think that most Democrats do care about that and that is their long term goal. The trade agreements were a way to get the ball rolling. With a Democrat in office now, we would be getting into serious negotiations about Kyoto, labor rights, etc. Please don't even pretend to tell me that John Kerry attended every single global environmental summit for kicks.

What I don't believe is that Lou Dobbs cares about anything except a handful of US businesses keeping control of the money train. He's upset about 235 ships out of 10,000 because it's a loss of US power, he's afraid we're giving away our power and prestige as a country. You and I are afraid that the power has been turned over to 700 billionaires, with NO governmental regulation at all, leaving the people all over the world both powerless and broke. With Dobbs, as long as the US has the money and power, he's fine. Bad bad world view, it completely denies the exploitation that we've done since the inception of the country. See the difference? Lou Dobbs and his ilk are not our friend. Totally different goals, totally different routes to get there.

[napi21]

15. If the Clinton Admin did the same thing, they should be called to

task for it! I'd take Clinton back as Pres in a heart beat, but he didn't do everything right either. Those are the things they should have hammered him on, and forgot about Monica!

[0007]

17. Ya won't hear anything from me sweets. Cuz I don't give a damn

about Lou Dobbs & never watch him.
:hi:
:loveya::loveya:

[Armstead]

18. Gawd -- I'm sitting here agreeing with Duncan Hunter

I have entered the Alternate Universe...Fallen down the Rabbit Hole

[napi21]

21. Watch Hunter. I think he realized he was being bested by Lou.

I don't trust Duncan at all!

[liveoaktx]

22. He's not gonna go back and do any oversight

[napi21]

19. We better send Lou a bottle of blood pressure pills!

I LOVE IT. He's beating up on Duncan Hunter too!

Also said "we watched Bill Frist exercise a week of Profiles in Courage, and now gave up on it!"

[Twist_U_Up]

24. You would think..........

that if Lou actually did care about the selling of America he would speak up about Election Fraud.

another stinkin repuglican hypocrite.

[napi21]

26. Right now, Lou is dealing with a LOT of hot issues.

Let me also add, SO FAR, nobody has been able to prove fraud!

Every attorney goes through this every day! You know someone is guilty. You know it in your gut! But if you can't prove it, TS!

I don't know exactly who to blame for letting the black box issue fall on the charts, but I don't think I can blame Lou Dobbs!

[Justice Is Comin]

29. But if it was Democrats

in the White House with the situation reversed, the Republicans would be clamoring like rabid badgers to get subpoenas out and full special prosecutor investigation.

If anything should have triggered it, it should have been the GAO report. It was a scathing report on the unexplainable irregularities.

[napi21]

30. I don't disagree with you, but no Dems did that!

BTW, Lou isn't a Dem, so again, I can't blame HIM for the lack of attention to voter fraud.

[NoMercy]

28. Surprised? NeoCon Playbook. Dems are being conned into NeoCon agenda

Deal will be Killed. Clinton policies will be blamed. Repubs will
rally their base by thinly disguised anti-arab legislation.

[OneBlueSky]

34. the Clinton administration is certainly not above criticism . . .

on this and any number of other issues . . . still, it was light years ahead of the BushCo regime in serving the nation and its people . . .