Instead of just bitching about anti choicers why don't we confront them?

[DanCa]

I have seen a lot of good rants lately against the pro rape, pro coat-hanger crowd, but I still have to ask this question, why aren't we physically protesting these suckers? I mean we know who our enemy is, and where there coming from, so why don't we just go on the offensive for a change and start protesting them? Now since the Religious Right want to stick their noses in everyones business, I suggest that we metaphorically hit them in the nose. The Religious Right are nothing but bullies and how do you deal with a bully? You hit them hard in the nose and than they'll back off. And we do this by standing outside thier churches and headquarters for a change.

Come on people it's time for us to unite on this. Libertarians, Greens, Democrats, people of faith, and atheist must come together so that we can show the world what frauds these pro death pro war "holy" people are. I stand up to these bullies everyday but I am just one person. I need your help. We need physical bodies out there picketing to show the religious right that we aren't going to take their tampering with the constitution any longer. Posting on a message board is fine but can you imagine the look ,on say Dobson's face, if all the 80,000 plus members of Democratic Underground showed up on his doorstep with a petition that tells him to keep his religion out of our politics?

Now is the time for us to do something, not when Roe is over turned. Their wont be a Superman flying down from the sky to save us from the Religious Right's speeding bullet in the zero hour. We have to do it on our own people and we have to do it now. Who's with me? And to my liberal christian brothers and sisters out there I just want to say that we rock. And this post is in no way meant to targets a person faith in God. I am just saying is that we have to fight the religious right's assault on our Constitution with everything we got and the time is now.

[Wetzelbill]

1. good stuff Dan

Well said.

[DanCa]

4. Thanks my friend :D

My fingers hurt from typing that sucker. I am glad it was worth it. I feel better now venting though. :D

[Peter Frank]

2. This issue is a RW diversion I "choose" to move beyond...

...bigger fish to fry.

[DanCa]

3. Bigger fish to fry?

Creationism in the class room, Religious Freedom, Gay Rights, Woman Rights, Stem Cell Research, and Seperation of Church and State aren't big enough issues for you? It's all part of the religious rights assualt on our constitution. It's time to confront Bush's base and stop pretending that they'll go away.

[Peter Frank]

5. You're playing into their hands...

While the RW has you engaged in this very important issue -- it's working on taking away your right to speak about it.

[DanCa]

6. Ah but here's the flaw in the slaw :D)

If I don't do anything than the Supreme Court, a Bush or GOP backed Supreme Court, we'll take away those same rights and the right to free speech. So if I am damned if I do, and damned if I don't well I'd rather be damned while fighting than be damned while not doing anything.:D

[Iris]

7. The nature of the whole issue is so private.

It's really hard to speak about it. And, what's worse, when these conversations come up, you really have no idea which women around might have had an abortion and choose not to disclose that information.

I grew up Catholic but haven't been to church in years. Last night I went to Ash Wed. service w/my sister and tired to set straight in my mind how I can be for abortion rights and against the death penalty. And, personally, although I'm vehemently pro-choice, I find abortion pretty difficult think about. Would there be instances where I'd consider having one myself? Probably. And at different stages of my life, I'd probably consider one more or less. But what it boils down to for me is that the government should not have the right to make these decisions - the gov't. should not be saying who should die, should not be setting up chambers to kill people in nor should the government be making decisions about pregnancy - that should be left up to the woman, her family, and her doctor.

When I looked around last night at all the women in the church and thought about one of them being 8 or 9 months pregnant with a rapist's child, I wanted to vomit. And I started thinking more about the folks in Mississippi and South Dakota. How supportive do you think communities would be of a woman, maybe a very young woman 13 or 14 years old, who was pregnant after a rape? Jeez, some people are more than willing to blame the victim in this situation, just image if she had that sort of proof of her "fault" hanging out in front of her. Would she go out in public? Become a reclues for nearly a year? If she were a teenager, would the teachers and administrators of her school be supportive?

At any rate, I think this is an issue that needs to be discussed reasonably and rationally. The kind of in-your-face rhetoric that usually enters these debates is dehumanizing and seems to make things worse. I'm not saying Iknow what the answer is. I guess if this came up in a normal, every day conversation, I'd speak up, but I'm not going to engage random people in a conversation about this.

[The Backlash Cometh]

8. Now that we don't have the law defending us from them, that's the

next logical step. Whatever rights they have to protest, we have the right to counter-protest.

[DanCa]

9. At least until they take away the right to counter protest :D (nt)