'Miss. House Advances Bill to Ban Abortion' This state has been DESTROYED

[in_cog_ni_to]

They lost 70,000 houses, people are without a place to live, no electricity, no phone system, their kids are going to school in TRAILORS, they live in tent cities and THIS IS WHAT THE FUCKING LEGISLATURE IS MOST CONCERNED ABOUT???????????????!!!!!!!!!@#$%$#@! HELLO people of Mississippi! Isn't there something WRONG with this picture? What the hell is wrong with these people???? NO EXCEPTION FOR RAPE AND INCEST!!!!!

Miss. House Advances Bill to Ban Abortion
By Associated Press
Wed Mar 1, 8:13 PM

JACKSON, Miss. - Gov. Haley Barbour said Wednesday he would probably sign a bill under consideration in the state House that would ban most abortions in Mississippi.

The measure, which passed the House Public Health Committee on Tuesday, would allow abortion only to save a woman's life. It would make no exception in cases of rape or incest.

Barbour, a Republican, said he preferred an exception in cases of rape and incest, but if such a bill came to his desk: "I suspect I'll sign it."

The full House could vote on the bill next week, and it would then go to the Senate.<snip>

[The Witch]

1. K&R for a great rant

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

I feel your pain.

[in_cog_ni_to]

3. This shit is SICK! They are making a woman who has SUFFERED through a RAPE

carry through on a pregnancy conceived through that RAPE!!! They are making little girls who have been RAPED by a father or brother or family member give birth????? OMG....this makes my blood BOIL.:grr:

[Iris]

6. What's sicker is there are ways to stop the pregnancy before it even

really begins.

Ever read Peyton Place (or seen the movie)? There's a story line about a girl who is raped by her stepfather. She goes to the doctor for some other reason, he sees what's happened and promptly takes care of the situation.

[wake.up.america]

Let's make a deal. No executions, including state and federal, ...

remove troops from Iraq and then we can talk about how ridiculous it is to establish an "anti-abortion" law, which will cause more deaths.

[C_U_L8R]

2. As if there's no incest

in Mississippi...

What a bunch of inbred knuckledragging women-hating turdballs.

[Daphne08]

4. That was my first reaction, too.

We have friends who have lost their homes... completely gone... only slabs left, and the lucky ones are now living in those little FEMA trailers on the land where their homes once stood. (By the way, the insurance companies are screwing them as well.)

[in_cog_ni_to]

8. Make sure your friends KNOW ABOUT THIS SHIT! Let them know how much

the state of Mississippi REALLY cares about them. The state's PRIORITIES are so screwed up. It makes me SICK.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

5. Hey, you're not upset or anything, are you?

Because I am FUCKING LIVID AT THESE ASSHOLES.

Of all the screwed up, mindless, acts of
Taking advantage of the dire circumstances of those most likely to be harmed by this is criminal. Of course, the rich GOP who have a "problem" can easily send their daughter to another state for a "D&C" as though it were a ski vacation.
The poor, with few means and no chance to leave the state will be harmed the most.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

7. My only explanation is, the Repubs got NOTHING now, no booming economy,

crap war/quagmire, Katrina, spying, Dubai, etc.

So their only move is to flog their zombie cultists to the polls by fanning the abortion flames.

South Dakota and now this is probably part of a coordinated strategy.

[flamingpie2500]

10. oh yeah, strategy to put all this crap back on the ballots for Nov.

Let us not forget that the conservative agenda is rampant. Abortion, gay marriage- all of those important issues that affect our everyday lives.

[acmejack]

11. "Probably"?

It is most certainly a portion of a coordinated strategy. These dorks are nothing if not coordinated. That is all they do well is find some stupid issue that their narrow minded bigoted base can wrap their hateful little minds around and come out to vote to deny some group their rights. That is what they are good at is taking other people's liberties away!

[eyesroll]

9. I actually understand the "no exception for rape/incest" people more than

I understand the people who are stridently anti-choice EXCEPT for rape/incest.

Why?

Because if abortion is murder because the fetus is a person (as they contend), the fact that the conception occurred under violent circumstances doesn't somehow make the fetus not a person anymore. In other words -- it's consistent. And I respect that, even though I vigorously disagree.

Besides -- this isn't really intended to make abortion illegal in Mississippi. It's intended to get the newly reconstructed SCOTUS to review Roe -- which could, theoretically, work in our side's favor (although I'm not holding my breath).

[Talismom]

12. Living in NYC I know that different gun laws in nearby states really get

in the way of efforts to get them off the streets here--seems we have to raise funds and assist in transporting poor women to neighboring states to obtain safe, legal abortions and thereby make the end run around these efforts in MS. If, heaven forbid, the worst happens in this country, there will be a black market for morning after pills and abortofacients like no one ever saw! There is no way we will put up with turning the clock back to the 1950's. Lot's of old ladies, like me, are gonna form an "underground railroad" the likes of which will make the fascists' heads spin! We're not gonna abandon our daughters to these neanderthals!

edit for spelling

[in_cog_ni_to]

13. An underground railroad will be the only way around this CRAP.

OHIO's anti-abortion legislation will MAKE IT ILLEGAL for a woman to cross state lines to get an abortion in a state where it's legal. :grr: PURE FASCISM.. How could they POSSIBLY monitor that? I hate to guess.:( NSA?

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

17. Ohio has one for vote this year too?

[in_cog_ni_to]

22. Well, according to a DUer from Ohio, YES THEY DO!

:grr:

[jmowreader]

21. How would they know that's what you were doing?

Let me guess: the Ohio anti-abortion law also contains pregnancy registers, live-birth registers, stillbirth registers, five-year prison terms for any registered pregnancy that isn't subsequently entered onto a birth register, ten-year prison terms for unregistered pregnancies, seppuku for any physician who has ever performed an abortion, public beheadings for any woman who gets an abortion, abortionist-hunting licenses, no exception for life of mother, health of mother, rape, incest, fatal birth defects...

[in_cog_ni_to]

23. THAT'S MY question. How the HELL do they plan on monitoring that???

I'd say your description of their monitoring plans isn't far off. It would HAVE TO BE something like that. No?

[Talismom]

31. Isn't one of the puke talking points that they want to get big

govt. OFF your back?

[niallmac]

14. Sometimes my age shows when I slip and say something that could

be considered offensive to the female gender. I am not a conscious misogynistic schmuck it's just that my formative years were those when
gender disparaging remarks were part of the ether. I really do appreciate what backward times those were.
So, considering the ways a misogynist could express himself I cannot think of a more vulgar, cruel, inhumane, insensitive, pompous,
male pig like way to do it than this Mississippi law. I am sure many there who support this law think they are being good Christians.
If we just stop for good right at the Golden Rule wouldn't laws like this seem pretty damn evil?

[MetaTrope]

15. But at least federal law will ensure MS can't label foods independently

[theHandpuppet]

16. Why of course!

Forget the already born -- let's force more women and children into poverty by taking away reproductive choice! I've got a message for you, Mississippi -- the best, most effective way to reduce the number of abortions is to eliminate POVERTY, provide HEALTH CARE and JOBS, and insure that every child receives an adequate EDUCATION.

Children in Mississippi

761,268 children live in Mississippi
A child in Mississippi is born into poverty every 46 minutes
A child in Mississippi is abused or neglected every 2 hours
A child in Mississippi dies before his or her first birthday every 20 hours
A child or teen in Mississippi is killed by gunfire every 6 days

Mississippi Rankings*
Mississippi ranks 28 among states in the percent of babies born to mothers who received early prenatal care.

Mississippi ranks 49 among states in infant mortality.

Mississippi ranks 49 among states in per pupil expenditures.

Mississippi ranks 50 among states in the percent of children who are poor.

Mississippi ranks 50 among states in percent of babies born at low birthweight.

Child Poverty in Mississippi

Number of poor children
214,156

Percent of children who are poor
28.8%

Number of adults and children receiving cash assistance from Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF)
45,152

Maximum monthly TANF cash assistance for a family of three $170
Child Hungerin Mississippi

Number of children who receive food stamps 172,150

Percent of eligible persons who receive food stamps 57%

Number of children in School Lunch Program 397,076

Number of women and children receiving WIC (Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants and Children)
102,272

Early Childhood Development in Mississippi

Percent of children under age six with all parents in the labor force
70.2%

Number of children served by Head Start
26,742

Number of children served by the Child Care and Development Block Grant
8,400

Average annual cost of child care for a four-year-old in a center
$3,380

Child Welfare in Mississippi

Number of children who were victims of abuse and neglect
4,003

Number of children in foster care
2,746

Number of children adopted from foster care
216

Number of grandparents raising their grandchildren
54,518

Education in Mississippi

Amount spent per pupil in public school
$5,014

Percent of fourth graders reading below grade level
82%

Percent of fourth graders below grade level in math
83%

Average class size in public elementary schools
20.3

Average class size in public secondary schools
22.3

Child Health in Mississippi

Number of children without health insurance
87,000

Percent of children without health insurance
10.8%

Percent of two-year-olds who are not fully immunized
24.3%

Youth At Risk in Mississippi

Percent of 16- to 19-year-olds who are not enrolled in school and are not high
school graduates
12.4%

High school completion rate
82.3%

Percent of 16- to 19-year-olds who are unemployed
24.9%

Number of juveniles arrested
14,003

Number of children and teens in juvenile or adult correctional facilities
1,800

Number of children and teens killed by firearms:
34
14 homicides; 13 suicides; 5 accidents; and 2 undetermined

Compiled from the most up-to-date data available.
For more information on the state of America's children contact:
Children's Defense Fund
25 E Street, NW
Washington, DC 20001
[phone]
www.childrensdefense.org

Other info:
The Bureau of Economic Analysis estimates that Mississippi's total state product in 2003 was $72 billion. Per capita personal income in 2003 was $23,466, 51st in the nation (ranking includes the District of Columbia).

• Of the 757,000 children in Mississippi, 175,000, or 23.1%, are living in poverty.<14> Among the 50 states and the District of Columbia, Mississippi ranks 7th in percentage of children living in poverty.<15>

• 41% of Mississippi’s children live with parents who do not have full-time, year-round employment (the national average is 33%).<16>

• 12% of teens in Mississippi do not attend school and do not work (the national average is 9%).<17>

• Mississippi residents aged 20-24 have an unemployment rate of 15.2% (the state unemployment rate for all ages is 6.2%).<18>

(October 2005)

America's Health Rankings: Mississippi, 50th
http://www.unitedhealthfoundation.org/shr2005/components/RiskFactors.html
http://www.unitedhealthfoundation.org/shr2005/states/Mississippi.html

Related links to articles on women and children in poverty in the U.S. :
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0CYZ/is_2_32/ai_n14711313
http://plsc.uark.edu/csr/projects/women/index.htm

[KittyWampus]

18. Handpuppet, your post w/ statistics deserves a thread of its own

:(

[drhilarius]

19. Jesus only loves fetuses....

if children are poor it's only because of their sins and the sins of their parents. :sarcasm:

[in_cog_ni_to]

24. GREAT post, Handpuppet! As cryingshame says..

it deserves its own thread!

[theHandpuppet]

27. Are you sure that's okay with you?

As the OP I don't want to appear to usurp your thread.

[in_cog_ni_to]

28. PLEASE start a thread with your post! People need to see it.

:)

[Maddy McCall]

20. I live in Mississippi. Let 'em outlaw it.

I'm tired of fighting with women who just don't give a good goddam about the rights they should have. They want to be raped by their daddy so that they can give the kid to their fundie neighbors, let 'em do it. They want to buy into biblical teachings that tell them never to question a man, let 'em do it. They want to work for half of what a man in the same job makes, let 'em do it.

The problem in Mississippi isn't the men. No, it's the stupid, ignorant fucking women.

When I finish my PhD, I'm the hell out of here. I've given up on this place.

[in_cog_ni_to]

25. "When I finish my PhD, I'm the hell out of here."

I can't say I blame you Maddy. My G-D! I cannot believe what these people are doing. It's psychotic. Who in their right mind would force a little girl to give birth because her dad RAPED her??? Who in their right mind would force a woman who has been viciously RAPED to give birth to a baby conceived in that rape?*&^%$#

I-AM-SO-ANGRY-RIGHT-NOW.:grr:

[trogdor]

26. F*** them.

They voted for this shit. It's what they want. I hope the SCOTUS upholds it. Let them fly to New York for their abortions.

[in_cog_ni_to]

29. The POOR people of Mississippi can't afford to fly ANYWHERE for an

abortion. We will have states full of unwanted children.:cry:

[Maddy McCall]

35. Even if they could, they'd be too damned stupid to book the ticket.

Stupid fuckers in this hellhole of a state. Will vote against their best interest everytime.

[theHandpuppet]

33. No, "they" didn't vote for this shit

The GOP carries MS on the back of its white male voting bloc. The very people who will suffer most are those who aren't a part of that -- the poor, women and black citizens.

[Maddy McCall]

34. That's where you're wrong. The women of Mississippi want this shit.

They vote, too.

I'd venture that only 10% of women in Mississippi are pro-choice. Hell, I know a woman who had an abortion after she was raped when she was 12. Yes, TWELVE. And she's "pro-life," now. Has a daughter now--she would restrict her daughter from the benefit of a right she used.

I'm telling you. It's not the men here as much as it is the women. They have some idealized goal of "virtuous womanhood," and they find the dumbest ways to reach it.

Stupid fucking women in Mississippi.

[TacticalPeek]

30. Actually this proposal liberalizes the MS law, & adds significant benefits

The AP article you reference is not linked, but it must skip over some important points.

The bill was introduced and got through the committee by Steve Holland who has always worked against additional restrictions on abortion. This bill allows consideration of the life of the mother which the current law does not, plus the bill also requires the state to provide the health care and education of all children.

The fundies were undoubtedly champing at the bit to force a bitter bill through so as not to be outdone by SD. Holland finessed them brilliantly. I will be surprised it it passes.

Check this post from yesterday by Sgent, and the local article it refs.

:)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=2139746&mesg_id=2139746

http://www.djournal.com/pages/story.asp?ID=213936&pub=1&div=News

[ladjf]

32. I'm from Mississippi. But, I can't answer you question.

Apparently, the weaker thinkers are in charge.

[in_cog_ni_to]

36. Here's the link I forgot to post if anyone wishes to read the whole

article.

http://www.comcast.net/news/politics/index.jsp?cat=POLITICS&fn=/2006/03/01/336446.html