lou dobbs said it last night.

[flordehinojos]

lou dobbs, you said you're, "no democrat". you said you're, "no liberal". nothing new there. but you did not say what you are. perhaps you are just an american corporatist who is just standing up against bush and his generalized stupidity for right now...and, is that good? i mean. yes.that can be good. it is good to stand up against the idiot in chief and to fight against selling off america, but corporatists sell off their workers too when they won't increase minimum wage, when they don't want to pay taxes, when they fight workers' unions, so, can i applaud you? Not really the color of your coat will change as soon as it needs to.

And by the way, this whole thing has become so polarized that your inner cringing at the word liberal just makes me cringe back at you.

[meegbear]

1. What are you ranting about?

How about some background?

[flordehinojos]

4. last night in answer to a viewer's e-mail which accused him of being a

democrat, he said "i am no democrat"; and the answer to another viewer's e-mail which accused him of being a liberal, he said, "I am no liberal"...

all of that has been so very obvious all along.

[swag]

2. To whom was he speaking?

[flordehinojos]

5. he was responding to two e-mails.

;)

[GregD]

6. responding to e-mails he received

there were several that were quite critical of his concerns over outsourcing jobs, and his opposition in general to the port deal

[shance]

3. Great points. Seems the level of Dobb's concern for the good of

everyone can only reach only as far as the tip of his rather narcissistic, greed driven nose.

I think its the White rich and privileged male syndrome. They cant seem to see anyone's needs other than their own and will topple and destroy all others needs in order to grab anything they want.

I would not separate Dobbs from this category.

[flordehinojos]

7. :-)

:loveya:
i am glad we share the same point of view!

[skids]

8. I wouldn't say he's a corporatist.

Corporatists don't use the term "corporate elitism." Dobbs does.

He's off-base often, other times he's right on point.

[thoughtanarchist]

9. His commentary was pro-Kerry in '04 -- were you watching?

He is mistaken for a liberal Dem because liberals are the only ones left who care about fair labor. When "the country moved right" he did not, which makes him look left-ish.

I think he's middle-ish. I do not think he's pro-corporatist in the evil sense.
He's Pro Labor for chrissakes! Calling a pro-labor commentator a corporatist is like calling someone an authoritarian anarchist!
I think Sam Alito is pro-corporatist.
I think Larry Kudlow is pro-corporatist.
I think Bill Clinton, although a dem, is also pro-corporatist. (remember NAFTA?)

I don't care what he calls himself, he has the ear and respect of many middle-minded people of both parties and he seems to stand left of Bill Clinton at this point. He seems on the same page as Schultz advocating fair labor and the middle class and this is definitely a good thing.

I know there are many here that think his "borders" segments are racist, but I would hesitate to punch this gift-horse in the mouth. It looks like he's trying to move the country to the left.

Go ahead and start flaming me for not being liberal enough, :hide: but there was a time when two parties could work together, and it was because there were people like Lou on both sides who could recognize that you need a healthy labor force and a healthy middle class to have a truly healthy economy.

Here is where you need to listen to Big Eddie. Don't chase away the centrists. You have more in common than not!

[in_cog_ni_to]

10. My MAIN beef with Dobbs is his big time cheerleading for the idiot's war.

He was DISGUSTING. The rah rah shock and awe was SICKENING. He was drooling over it on a daily basis. THAT was the last time I tuned into Dobbs. He's a warmonger...just like the idiot-in-chief.

[thoughtanarchist]

11. Pre war or post war?

edit for spelling

I don't recall much by way of accolades for *'s foreign policy anytime after this war started...

I do recall segments where he'd "honor fallen troops", keeping the body count in high profile. This starting at the time when photos of coffins returning home was prohibited.

I cannot recall what he said before shock 'n awe started.

Was he in the "go get Saddam" camp?

[in_cog_ni_to]

12. Up to, during and after.

Honestly. He was sickening. I posted this the other day.....The very LAST time I tuned into his show was when he read one of his emails on the air. Someone had told him he/she was sick to death of his endless cheerleading for the war and asked if he would please talk about something else? Dobbs' response to the email was, "If you don't like it, too bad. Bush is MY president and I will support HIM and our troops as long as they are in Iraq. If you don't like it, switch the channel." (paraphrased, but very close) THAT was when "I" switched the channel for good.

He was in the "go get Saddam camp" BIG TIME.

[thoughtanarchist]

13. Often I find...

That some statements don't seem as bad verbatim from the source as they do when paraphrased secondhand...

I haven't really found any transcripts that give the typical BushBot parroting of talking points that everything is "great progress" in Iraq and we should stay as long as it takes, etc, etc...

I have seen segments honoring individual troops, segments questioning the ability of the military to withstand long term deployment, health care concerns for vets, etc...

oth, I have also seen segments trashing Iran, China, N.Korea, Mexico, Cuba, Russia, Venezuela, etc, etc in an uncomfortably nationalistic fashion...the same irksome Dobbish approach that we see in the immigration stories.

Some of the content on LDT I definitely disagree with, but I also find he reports on stories you might only otherwise see on Countdown.

Can you find the segment that pissed you off based on the date you wrote your post?

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/ldt.html

Thanks,
TA

[flordehinojos]

16. paraphrased or not ... lou dobbs can have a very acrid, arrogant tone.

whatever he told the e-mailer referenced in the post above ... i can just hear that acrid, arrogant tone of his...and i think i've heard him say similar things, or maybe it was just that particular thing ... he has been quite a bushista. that is why i think that while he is quite anti-UAE port deal, he may not be emotionally finished with supporting shrub. time will tell.

[thoughtanarchist]

17. Agreed. That he has.

Especially in issues pertaining to race.

I would have to consider him anti shrub, however, the same way you have to consider Mogambo Guru anti shrub.

I can't say Dobbs "gets it" any more than I could say Mogambo guru fully "gets it"; At least not in the way Krugman understands the world... but all of them are able to recognize that modern conservatism has been more detrimental to our economic, social, and general well being than it has helped.



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[flordehinojos]

15. yes, there is something about him that i just can't ....

feel all that comfortable with.

[flordehinojos]

14. contrary to what you seem to be expecting, i won't flame you.

i have read your opinion and i like your calm, thought out position, as well as the fact that you say LD has, "the ear and respect of many middle-minded people of both ..." (but in my mind i have seen him turn on too many issues, too many times for my own taste. i hope he doesn't dissapoint you at some point in time. and yes, his border issues seem to be "racist" to me, which is another point why i can't quite feel comfortable with lou dobbs.

[Telly Savalas]

18. It's arguable whether he's pro-labor.

His stances on outsourcing and undocumented workers make it clear that he is against non-American workers, but he never seems to rally causes that would obviously make him a proponent of labor (e.g. living wage, universal health care, etc.)

[thoughtanarchist]

19. Here's an example of a pro labor story...

Below is part of a transcript from 2/20/06 that details a pro labor story. This took me only seconds to find.

I think it would not take much effort to find many more like it.


<snip>

"Turning now to what is nothing short of a war on this country's middle class, working men and women in this country with good jobs at strong companies increasingly are being forced to pay more and more of their health care expenses. That's partly because their employers have simply decided they will refuse to pay those costs, as they have for decades.

Kitty Pilgrim has the story.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What do we want?

UNIDENTIFIED GROUP: Health care!

KITTY PILGRIM, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice over): Thousands of Sikorsky Aircraft workers in Connecticut and Florida are striking over health care coverage. They are being asked to pay more.

Across the country, prosperous middle class Americans with good jobs are being increasingly stuck with the health care costs that used to be covered by their employers. Since 2001, an employee's share of health cost has soared 63 percent."

<snip>

PILGRIM: Now, tax-free personal savings accounts seems to be the legislative fix being pushed at the moment. Critics say it does not lessen the burden on the middle class working Americans. It simply gives them the tax incentives to take care of their problem with their own money -- Lou.

DOBBS: Kitty, thank you very much.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0602/20/ldt.01.html