FREEPER Racism, Hate, Contempt for Human Life at the FREAK SHOW

[npincus]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1588067/posts

Here are selected posts from a thread over at FREAK REPUBLIC about the AP article: "Tape: Bush, Chertoff Warned Before Katrina".

I understand members of FR live on the other side of the political spectrum, but that does not explain the abundance of racism, hate, utter indifference to human suffering and gross disregard for human life on display there and TOLERATED (thus ENCOURAGED) by the moderators. The place is a witches brew of small-mindedness, meaness, and bigotry. Is this compassionate conservatism? These are the people ranting and raving about embryos?

YEEEECH. View at your own risk:







To: wjersey
Who cares, a flooded NO is a good thing.



3 posted on 03/01/2006 2:47:36 PM PST by GBoettner ("Peace" Through superior firepower.)
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To: wjersey
Yawn. Katrina is so yesterday..



8 posted on 03/01/2006 2:49:16 PM PST by cardinal4 (The 9-11 Commission, America's National Shame)
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To: 4bbldowndraft
It kept the crime down.



9 posted on 03/01/2006 2:49:47 PM PST by GBoettner ("Peace" Through superior firepower.)
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To: wjersey
If I'm the President, and someone warns me about a huge hurricane approaching Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama, I tell them to make sure all the information we have is forwarded to the Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama state officials.

Then, having gone above and beyond the call of duty, I immediately return to taking care of my own responsibilities.



13 posted on 03/01/2006 2:53:30 PM PST by newgeezer (Sarcasm content: 0.000%)
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To: GBoettner
It kept the crime down.

Not in the Houston area. The dumbest thing elected officals could have ever done was bring all those folks here.


16 posted on 03/01/2006 2:54:47 PM PST by isthisnickcool (Jack Bauer: "By the time I'm finished with you you're going to wish you felt this good again".)
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To: isthisnickcool
I am disappointed, Texans should know how to handle troublemakers.

Where is your cowboy spirit?



20 posted on 03/01/2006 2:57:33 PM PST by GBoettner ("Peace" Through superior firepower.)
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To: wjersey
I wonder how the overall "news" would be different if the state hit were, say, blue-state Connecticut, and the damage occurred on the Caucasian and Jewish "gold coast"?

This just goes to prove desperate the AP is to keep feces pumping onto the Bush administration. The media are chopping away their own credibility with each newly re-engineered article.



26 posted on 03/01/2006 2:59:24 PM PST by LurkedLongEnough
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To: isthisnickcool
Houston took in the worst from New Orleans. It has gone up in Houston. New Orleans has one of the highest crime rate in America.



38 posted on 03/01/2006 3:12:20 PM PST by Ptarmigan (Proud bunny hater and killer)
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39 posted on 03/01/2006 3:14:15 PM PST by Perdogg ("Facts are stupid things" - Pres. Ronald W. Reagan)
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To: Libloather
God, I am so sick of hearing about Katrina.



87 posted on 03/01/2006 4:16:21 PM PST by Howlin ("Quick, he's bleeding! Is there a <strike>doctor</strike> reporter in the house?")
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To: gov_bean_ counter
>Along with to a degree the folks who chose to live in a city built in a ditch<

RIGHT ON! Why a city was built where NO is seems incredible to me. Where were the engineers? Lots of poor people there because property values in the Ninth Ward, and elswhere, were undoubtedly very reasonably priced. Sad, but why should the Federal Government pay for those mistakes?



98 posted on 03/01/2006 4:30:57 PM PST by Paperdoll (On the cutting edge)
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To: wjersey
One of our local talk show hosts was lamenting over the "fact" that 90% of the New Orleans residents had been "dispersed".
Is that a bad thing??


101 posted on 03/01/2006 4:31:16 PM PST by evad
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To: wjersey
The Dems think they've got Bush this time.
They're already planning their impeachment parties.


102 posted on 03/01/2006 4:31:52 PM PST by COEXERJ145 (Pat Buchanan lost a family member in the holocaust. The man fell out of a guard tower.)
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To: Howlin
"God, I am so sick of hearing about Katrina."
Just you and 500 million other Americans just like you. Out of curiosity I did a Google search on the phrase, "I don't think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees". I got 53,100 returns. This thing couldn't be anymore beat to death.


104 posted on 03/01/2006 4:32:05 PM PST by Rokke
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To: wjersey
All of the social pathologies that were on exhibition in the aftermath of Katrina were perfectly predictable to anyone who read the seminal book "The Bell Curve" by Richard Herrnstein & Chas. Murray. So I guess I still don't understand how the meltdown of social norms in that unique environment was the President's responsibility.

And for those who are unaware of "The Bell Curve" and its landmark status in the evolution of contemporary conservative thought:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0684824299/103-6323209-5086269?v=glance&n=283155




124 posted on 03/01/2006 4:44:10 PM PST by Greg o the Navy (Al Qaeda's willing American allies: DemonRats & Liberals)
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To: Greg o the Navy
Clarifying my earlier post: I was specifically referring to the social pathologies on view in the "urban" parts of New Orleans.



127 posted on 03/01/2006 4:46:50 PM PST by Greg o the Navy (Al Qaeda's willing American allies: DemonRats & Liberals)
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[texastoast]

1. Ahem. "Witches' brew"?

Don't lump me with those people.

[npincus]

14. my apologies to Witches everywhere

[wordpix]

2. the freepers are truly ignorant and simple-minded

[bluestateguy]

3. We'll stop harping about Katrina if they shut up about 9/11

It happened, it was over 4 years ago, and believe it or not, worse things have happened to this country and to the world than that day.

[YOY]

4. Jesus, and they call us self rightous...

If hate were a monatary unit they'd all be the ruling elite (and not just the 1% controlling their little minds.)

That free ticket BS stinks of Rush Limbaugh.

Oh yeah H3, big screen TV, 'bling-bling'

try food and medical care assholes.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

5. I kept wanting to click on Report Abuse

for each one of them, even though I knew I couldn't. And I know if I went there and actually clicked on the thing, I'd be the one booted out.

[xchrom]

6. they're tapeworms.

exhibiting the intelligence of tapeworms for all to see.

[EstimatedProphet]

7. Shitheel Republic is full of subhumans

That's half the reason they can't spell-they have no opposable thumbs and can't correctly work a keyboard.

[warrens]

8. Conservatives are on the other end of the spectrum

These jabonies purge real conservatives. They're just a pack of racist, fascist hatemongers.

[YOY]

10. Bingo!

You can debate with a conservative. These are a bunch of yes-men idiots who let pundits think for them. (of course we have them too...)

[AX10]

9. FreeRepublic is on the same level as the KKK.

[Katherine Brengle]

11. Do they ever think before they speak??????

The "ticket" itself is abhorrently racist--using particular terminology and a speaking style that is commonly identified with the black community (another term which, by the way, is in itself inherently anti-democratic) to talk s**t about people who were displaced by a natural disaster and rightfully expect a little help from their neighbors?

Can they hear themselves???

Does anyone else remember when the hurricanes hit Florida, and the government stepped right in and helped out the Floridians who needed help?

The only reason this is different is because these people, from New Orleans, didn't have beachfront property and money to donate to campaigns. This is more classist than racist, but it is definitely both.

[Crankie Avalon]

12. Didn't even Sean Hannity disavow the freaks over at Free Republic?

If even someone as far out as that is made uncomfortable by them, you can imagine how decent Americans would react.

I wish the Free Republic-types had a light shone on them for all America to see--it would be a wake-up call to just what sorts support the Bush-Cheney disaster.

[KingFlorez]

13. Racist, Fascist pigs

And they wonder why black people don't vote Republican? I really wish these people would say this to Katrina victims faces and see what kind of response they get. A good hard punch in the mouth is what Freepers need.

[Saphire]

15. You've expressed my emotions very well reguarding the freep way

of thinking...they are the most hatefull bunch I have ever encountered. "the abundance of racism, hate, utter indifference to human suffering and gross disregard for human life on display there and TOLERATED (thus ENCOURAGED) by the moderators." That statment is right on the money.

[kiki]

16. Apparently

telling other people about the problem and leaving them to deal with it while you continue your vacation (which constitutes the president's "own responsiblities", according to the brain-dead poster) is going "above and beyond the call of duty".

And these are the people who vote for Bush because he'd "stop and help if he saw your car by the side of the road".

[npincus]

17. these freepers seem to think that the leaving people to drown

was performing a public service. And now they are "tired" of hearing about it.

[kiki]

19. Do you think

there are any Free Republic members from NO? Do they wake up and think "Lord save me, another day in this crime-ridden negro hellhole"?

In fact, is that what they all think about living in the US?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

18. I bet all those white freepers would just love to trade places.

It's just class/race envy on their part. They'd just love to see their friends and relatives drowned, lose their houses, lose their jobs, live in motels in lovely Houston, and be despised.

[bobbieinok]

20. The Bell Curve is KNOWN to be scientifically FALSE

I first read an extensive refutation of the sources of the book in the NY Review of Books; I loaned the article to a bright psych major who thought the book had to be taken seriously. The arguments in the article (and their documented sources) saved him from falling prey to this 'racism in scholarly clothing.' He passed the info on to many others.

For one of many discussions on the net of this (WRITTEN AUG 31 2005, see

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9040792

....

..., more than a few members of the expert community denounced the book as a kind of scholarly swindle; Writing in a special issue of The American Behavioral Scientist<--exactly the kind of journal that would have offered a peer review-reading of the Bell Curve had the authors been willing to submit to one—Michael Nunley, a professor of anthropology at the University of Oklahoma charged: [br />
"I believe this book is a fraud, that its authors must have known it was a fraud when they were writing it, and that Charles Murray must still know it's a fraud as he goes around defending it. By "fraud," I mean a deliberate, self-conscious misrepresentation of the evidence. After careful reading, I cannot believe its authors were not acutely aware of what they were including and what they were leaving out, and of how they were distorting the material they did include."<10>

“The Bell Curve “would not be accepted by an academic journal. It’s that bad,” added Richard Nisbett, a professor of psychology at the University of Michigan.<11> They was joined by many scholars, perhaps most notable among them, Leon J. Kamin, a noted professor of psychology at Northeastern University and author of The Science and Politics of IQ, who had been pointedly excluded from the AEI press-release gathering, lest his expertise get in the way of the book’s publicity campaign. Kamin warned, “To pretend, as Hernstein and Murray do, that the 1,000-odd items in their bibliography provide a ‘scientific’ basis for their reactionary politics may be a clever political tactic, but it is a disservice to and abuse of science.”<12>

But Murray and Hernstein’s research raised even more troubling questions about the authors’ agenda than mere incompetence or even ideological fervor. Charles Lane discovered that seventeen researchers cited in the book’s bibliography were contributors to the racist journal, Mankind Quarterly. Murray and Hernstein also relied on at least thirteen scholars who had received grants from the Pioneer Fund, established and run by men who were Nazi sympathizers, eugenicists, and advocates of white racial superiority.<13>

The racial problems with The Bell Curve’s sources went way beyond mere guilt by association. Many of its most important assertions rested on the work of the Pioneer Fund/Mankind Quarterly group of “scholars.” J. Philippe Rushton of Canada's University of Western Ontario, for instance, is cited eleven times in the book’s bibliography, and receives a two-page mention in its appendix (pp. 642-643). Rushton professes to believe in the existence of a hierarchy of "races" in which "Mongoloid" and "Caucasoid" are at the top, and "Negroid" at the bottom. "Negroids,” he argues, are younger when they first have intercourse, have larger penises and vaginas, increased sex hormonal activity, and larger breasts and buttocks. He judges that these factors, combined with the fact that black women produce more eggs and black men more sperm, lead to increased fertility, poorer parenting and sexually-transmitted diseases, including the AIDS virus. Rushton once summarized his views on black/white difference as follows: "It's a trade off, more brains or more penis. You can't have everything."<14>

Also the acknowledgements in “The Bell Curve,” include an authors note indicating that they have "benefited especially" from the "advice" of one Richard Lynn, whom they identify as "a leading scholar of racial and ethnic differences." A professor of psychology at the University of Ulster in Coleraine, Lynn is also associate editor of Mankind Quarterly, and has received $325,000 from the Pioneer Fund. He has expressed the scholarly view that "the poor and the ill" are "weak specimens whose proliferation needs to be discouraged in the interests of the improvement of the genetic quality of the group, and ultimately of group survival." Leon J. Kamin describes Lynn’s work as riddled with “distortions and misrepresentations of the data which constitute a truly venomous racism, combined with scandalous disregard for scientific objectivity.”<15>

While some innocence on the part of critics, a category that would include the vast majority of the reading public is excusable in the book’s early reception, this caveat begins to evaporate with time as more and more of the book’s flaws became evident. At that point, support for the work begins to look much more like ideological solidarity than intellectual rigor.

more....

[bluestateguy]

21. The book was not taken seriously by the academic community

In much the same way that a lot of the silly partisan ranting books of the left and right are not taken seriously by political scientists.

[tjwash]

22. Hey freepers, the 80's called, they want their sayings back.

Feel free to come up with something new besides the old "welfare queens driving Cadillacs and buying fillet-mignon and champagne with their food stamps" schtick that has been debunked about four and a half million times now.

Come on, we'll wait.

Of course, when you never leave your mom's house to actually venture out into the world, I can see where it would actually sound new to you...