I remember reading about what WW3 is going to be about

[Roon]

World War Three is going to be about a struggle for resources. People in China are getting their SUVs and need oil. India is the same way with their billion population. What WW3 is going to boil down to is who has control of the oil.<Iraq invasion> Do you think bush kissing India's ass today has anything to do with all of this?

<<<Under the accord, elusive until the last minute, the United States would share American nuclear know-how and fuel with India to help power its fast-growing economy. The move represents a major policy shift for the United States, which imposed temporary sanctions on India in 1998 after it conducted nuclear tests. India insists it has been a good steward of nuclear material for decades; that there has never been one incident of proliferation from it.>>>

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/11607934/

The point I am trying to make is, it seems that bush is trying to help India with their nukes and trying to gain an ally for this struggle for resources. WW3 isn't going to be an all out brawl, but rather little invasions of different middle eastern countries and taking control of the oil. What do you all think?

[JuniperLea]

1. The players and situations have changed...

I think W is going to piss some nation off and we will be toast.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

9. Nobody has enough nukes

to make the US toast. Or an ICBM to deliver it. Except Russia, I guess.

[JuniperLea]

18. I wouldn't bet on it

I don't think we know a damn thing about anything anymore. W pissing people off plus Dubai port management plus the ability of several foes pooling their resorces... anything goes.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

20. You're probably right

but I'm going to stay in denial, if you don't mind.


la la la la... can't HEAR YOU!

[JuniperLea]

31. I agree...

And I try to stay in denial too:( But my denial seems to be punctuated with bouts of realism... damn reality!

[TallahasseeGrannie]

39. Yeah, denial is like that. You can't trust it.

I spent most of my 30's, when I had young children, figuring out how to hide from fallout. It was an obsession. Probably related to hormones and babies and stuff. I never did built a fallout shelter, but I had a lot of plans in my head. I live in FL and we don't have cellars, so it was quite a challenge. After the cold war was over I let go of that particular terror and I just don't want to bring it back.

But sometimes I think about fallout and how it disperses and kills...

not good.

[Tesha]

36. You're wrong, both about weapons and delivery systems. (NT)

[lectrobyte]

37. It would only take a few EMP's to effectively reduce this country to

about an 1890 level of technology. Sure, we could vaporize the country who did it, but what if wasn't a country, what if it was "Al Quaida" or some other group?

[Tesha]

41. There's a pretty interesting article in this month's "Bulletin..."

There's a pretty interesting article in this month's "Bulletin of the
Atomic Scientists" discussing how LACM's (Land Attack Cruise
Missiles" are the latest thing and how everybody is trying to
get some. One of the more interesting bits is how an arms merchant
illegally sold some ex-Russian, ex-Ukranian cruise missiles to Iran
and they've apparently succesfully reverse-engineered them, so now
they can make more. The missile has a range of about 1850 miles.

And it isn't just the Iranians. Because we've focused on defense
against ballistic missiles (an entirely different kind of missile),
LACMs are becoming very popular with everone and, right at
the moment, we really have no practical (and economically
viable) defense against these.

Oh well.

Tesha

[malaise]

2. My advice to the Indians

Be afraid - they're coming to follow the Brits - they wil divide and rule and destroy your Taj Mahal in the process. You are all collateral damage to Bushco.

[Warpy]

3. I don't think we're going to have Russian tanks coming through

the Fulda Gap as ICBMs fly overhead. I could be wrong, of course, because too many countries have hidden nukes on a hair trigger and old hostilities die hard. I also know that if Stupid wants a war to send Iran into the chaos he's created in Iraq, he's going to have to go nuclear to do it, since he doesn't have the manpower. I am very frightened about this. It could be enough to trigger those ICBMs flying overhead, although I doubt the Russians still care about the Fulda Gap.

We all hope the next nuclear exchange is between two small countries, is limited to fewer than half a dozen warheads, total, and is horrifying enough in terms of death and burned, maimed innocents to discourage these terrible weapons for at least another 60 years, if not ban them outright.

However, this may not be the case, and it's why I don't feel particularly confident about surviving the next three years of an insanely ambtious but incompetent man having his finger on the nuclear trigger.

[Roon]

6. Banning nukes

My heart jumped when I read that. Thanks for the input.....

[Warpy]

12. I used to trramp out "BAN THE BOMB"

on a SC beach near Parris Island when I was a kid in the 50s. I'm way ahead of you there, I'm afraid. It's been a lifelong dream, but the bastards just keep making more.

[MichiganVote]

4. I think humankind will destroy itself

[Roon]

7. I hope I am not around to witness it N/T

[MichiganVote]

11. Well I don't know how old you are...but don't bet the rent

[Roon]

13. I have a terminal illness

I may have another good ten years left in me.

[MichiganVote]

21. My sympathy...one year or ten years is a good life

[Roon]

24. At least I can see how things turn out

after all this crap!

[MichiganVote]

30. Well, I'm kinda curious myself. How bout' we just sit on the front

porch of the world and watch it all happen together. :)

[Roon]

32. Splendid! eom

[MichiganVote]

40. :)

[lectrobyte]

38. I want to be here at the end

Maralinga by Midnight Oil

I come from a land of wide open spaces
Where the world turns around us and we just follow suit
There's heat in the air and peace reigns supreme
Got white flags on the clothes lines and the deals are new

In the wind
The ashes fly
The poison crown
The charcoal ground

And if you can't see the smile in me, that's where I wanna be

There's only God
There's only Christ
Think I'll lie down for a while

So watch and check them out and listen as we learn
Throw the pearls before the swine ebb and flow, turning tide
Yes we watch and catch them no matter how they jump
The pigs will have to come to ground, we've got to make it happen
It's really not that new, try and make it happen now
'Cause what are we to do, maybe there's a chance for you

All around
An eerie sound
Their dreams a cloud
Their world in shrouds
In the wind
The ashes fly
Not much time
But time to try
And if you can't see the smile in me,
That's 'cause I want to be,
I want to be here at the end.
I have to be here at the end.

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

10. It's The End Of The World As We Know It.......

And I Feel Fine!!

R.E.M.

[Roon]

14. Love that song!! eom

[poverlay]

5. The thing to fear most is China making a push into the M.E.. n/t

[Roon]

8. No doubt

They have the manpower to do it too, they wouldn't have to resort to nukes.

[BR_Parkway]

35. They wouldn't have to resort to manpower either - they own our economy now

anything that we try to do without their permission - they can simply sit quietly at the next Treasury auction (and pressure Japan to do the same). Wall St instantly panics which prevents any of our other allies from stepping up to buy the T Bills - US Gov't defaults and goes into hyper inflation, our economy is devestated and we have no more manufacturing base to begin to dig ourselves out of the next great Depression the way they did in the 30's.

They plan along the lines of the century, USA's CEO mentality is to plan along the lines of the next quarterly report.

[Jeanette in FL]

15. Albert Einstein quote

"I do not know with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." Albert Einstein

[Roon]

16. Yikes!

:scared:

[TrogL]

17. All wars are about resources

WW II was partly about the Caspian oil fields.

[Roon]

25. I wasn't aware of that

I thought it was because the japs bombed the fuck out of our naval fleet and that nut Hitler was trying to take over europe.

[Laelth]

19. There's simply not enough oil.

We need India to vastly increase their nuclear power production. We're going to have to do the same. In all likelihood, we have only 40 years (or less) of oil left at current consumption rates, and demand for oil is increasing rapidly. The whole world is going to have to find a replacement for oil.

Sweden hopes to have an oil-free economy within 15 years.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=115&topic_id=41847

-Laelth

[Roon]

26. Thanks for the link!

Very interesting!!

[Laelth]

34. No problem.

Gotta love liberal Sweden. Takes guts to look a real problem in the face and say, "Now what are we going to do about it?"

Here in the USA we prefer to just foist these problem onto our kids (though there's some hope that the powers that be may actually be trying to do something about the looming oil crisis).

-Laelth

[bloom]

22. It could be a necessary deal for when we bomb Iran

I'm surprised more are not mentioning that.

[Roon]

27. We better not bomb Iran!!

x(

[peacetalksforall]

23. I was always told WW3 would be about the Middle East.

I guess resources and Middle East are essentially the same thing. Water and oil. Through the ME to Israel and the Mediterranean.

I would have never imagined that the U.S would have simultaneous ties to Israel and Saudi Arabia and that the three would, in effect, become their own axis.

Now, because we decided to invade the Middle East, and because the House of Saud is more vulnerable, and because militants are finding their voice about such things as the sacredness of Saudi Arabia, and because Israel has infiltrated and directs U.S. policy but makes room for the UAE, SA, Kuwait, and Qatar, and because our leaders wheel and deal in wmd and nuclear tech on one private-corporate level that would amaze us if we knew the details and accompanying wealth - all the while they preach the fear of terrorism to us - it will all end up to our drive to maintain war and not caring about blowing it all up. It could happen easily because they are inept, presumptions, arrogant, belligerent, and they have stolen enough money to pay for their own secret sub-government that doesn't give a damn about the citizens or Congress and the Constitution.

[Roon]

28. Wow!

Thanks for the input. The next few years is going to be very interesting.

[peacetalksforall]

33. Edited to change presumptions to presumtious. nt

[Joe Fields]

29. can we just skip wwIII and go directly to wwIV, where we....

will be able to think certain people dead, by just concentrating real, real hard?