Falwell Asserts Jews Can't Go To Heaven

[Nikki Stone 1]

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/7619180/detail.html


Falwell Asserts Jews Can't Go To Heaven

POSTED: 10:45 am PST March 2, 2006
UPDATED: 3:54 pm PST March 2, 2006

LYNCHBURG, Va. -- The Rev. Jerry Falwell is denying an Israeli newspaper report that he believes Jews can get to heaven without becoming Christians.

Wednesday's Jerusalem Post said that two Texas clerics, the Rev. John Hagee and Rabbi Aryeh Scheinberg, had convinced Falwell that Jews have their own separate covenant and don't have to go through Jesus or the cross to get to heaven.

But Falwell says, "Anybody who knows me knows that I believe that Christ is the way, the truth, the life, the only way to heaven."

After hearing about the article, Falwell said he contacted Hagee and Scheinberg, who he says signed affidavits denying that they made the statements reported in the Jerusalem Post

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[michreject]

38. I don't see the differences between the two.

They're both idiots.

[ChazII]

2. Why do we even care

what this old fart says or believes?

[Hell Hath No Fury]

64. Ummm...

maybe because the "old fart" is a powerful, wealthy man who has a university dedicated to cranking out "christian" lawyers, judges, and politicians whose sole purpose is to turn our nation into a RW "christian" theocracy?

Maybe because the "old fart" is one of the nations most prominent voices for "christianity" and holds sway over millions of voting Americans?

Those might be two good reasons for a start...

[ChazII]

71. I see your points

but I am not going to loose any sleep over this issue. Rich old men hold sway in both the progressive and consevative points of view. People need to think for themselves and not listen to Falwell, Robertson or Dobson.

[stepnw1f]

3. What a Fucking Asshole Falwell Is

This guy will no doubt go to hell, if there is one. On second thought, he's living in hell right now, his own.

[dorkulon]

4. repost

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=560331&mesg_id=560331

[Ksec]

5. Its nice to know he speaks for God.

Sometimes he thinks he IS God.

[TahitiNut]

6. duplicate (in GD)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=560331&mesg_id=560331

[Nikki Stone 1]

10. Just saw that. It wasn't on the list when I went to post, so I figured I

was safe. Ah well...

[speedoo]

7. Well. I say Falwell can't go to Heaven.

And I'm not even a Jew.

[FreedomAngel82]

16. Even Jesus said that

"Not everyone who says 'Lord Lord' will enter the kingdom of Heaven."

[FSogol]

8. Falwell should worry about whether he will get into heaven. n/t

[question everything]

9. And, as with his god, he thinks that his "heaven" is the only one

that should matter to everyone.

What about the heaven of the muslim suicide bombers who believe that this is where they are going?

[Mikimouse]

11. God says, "Jerry, you'll never know"...n/t

[timtom]

12. Perhaps a Jewish perspective will shed some light...

Check this out for some possible answers.

http://www.faqs.org/faqs/judaism/FAQ/06-Jewish-Thought/section-9.html

And, of course, it goes without saying, that we are all children of God and are to avoid people like Falwell like the plague (and you know who the rest of them are...)

[AlienGirl]

19. Also this:

http://www.pinenet.com/rooster/stories.html

[Catch22Dem]

13. Catch22Dem Asserts - Neither can anyone else.

It's either the ground or the urn. That's it.

[htuttle]

23. ...Or the vultures!

Don't forget the Tibetans.

[Kurovski]

14. Then one is left to wonder what Jesus is doing there.

:shrug:

[Karenina]

17. You think for a moment

that he's confined for an eternity with... BWHAHAHAHAHA!!! :rofl:

[sleipnir]

26. Well, he was baptized into Christianity by John the Baptist.

Sorry to rain on your parade.

Technically, he's no longer a Jew.

[jbnow]

30. Christianity hadn't started

when John the baptist baptized Jesus.

Jesus was born and died a Jew.

[sleipnir]

32. Well, many would argue that his baptism started the faith.

I'm not trying to provoke anything, but I think they have a point. Jesus' baptism is the genesis of Christianity as a faith. Just like Buddha sitting under the tree, I guess you could say he wasn't a Buddhist or that Mohammad wasn't a Muslim. Nothing personal, but your logic doesn't make a lot of sense, when one starts a relgion one is usually considered a part of said religon.

[Behind the Aegis]

35. Paul started Christianity.

It was the teaching of Paul that lead to Christianity, some 30 years after the death of Jesus. The "baptism" of Jesus was a "Mikvah." it was not uncommon in that time, less so now for men.

It was Paul that declared the way to salvation was through Jesus, not Jesus, himself. It wasn't until almost 70CE that the cult of Christianity emerged.

[REP]

40. Paul Ruined Christianity

Not an original thought, of course; I first encountered it in G. B. Shaw's "Androcles and the Lion" http://digital.library.upenn.edu/webbin/gutbook/lookup?num=4004

[Kurovski]

52. Yes. Jesus was a Jew who went to heaven.

Where did people go prior to Jesus' arrival on Earth?

It just all gets to be a bit too much listening to the Falwells of the world, crude political and ideological jockeys imagining themselves to be authorities on some of the deepest mysteries of the spirit and of existence.

[jbnow]

49. I know what you mean

but I don't know that Jesus was trying to start a religion. I know he said "and upon this rock I shall build my church", but he also said "wherever two or three of you are gathered in my name, there am I in the midst of you" (OK, reported to have said)

I know we consider him as part of Christianity (which would be a great religion if it really was built on his teachings and example) but if we had been able to ask him what his religion was before he died I am thinking he'd say he was a Jew.

[Kurovski]

53. "King of The Jews"

INRI, that was the sign sarcastically hung upon the cross above Jesus' head.

The "king" part was the commentary, The "Jew" part was the reality.

[SalmonChantedEvening]

15. Trusting Falwell's Interpretation of ANYTHING...

Is like trusting Wile. E. Coyote with the Roadrunner Preservation Act.

[OneBlueSky]

18. um . . . wasn't Jesus a Jew? . . . n/t

.

[CatholicEdHead]

20. Official stance of the Catholic Church is the same

:(

http://www.catholicism.org/dogma-antisemitism.html

"John Paul II and other Vatican leaders are aware that some progressive Catholics are adopting pluralist positions on salvation, and that there is grumbling within the Church among those who would loosen Catholicism's claimed stranglehold on salvation even ever so slightly. In an explicit and pointed rebuke to them and their religious "relativistic mentality" — including to those in the Christian-Jewish dialogue who are particularly concerned with countermanding Catholicism's supersessionist teachings about Jews, with Catholicism's antisemitic tradition, and with its explicit denial that Judaism is a path to salvation — the Pontifical Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, led by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, defiantly ushered in the new millennium by reaffirming in Dominus Iesus of 2000, a document which John Paul II "with sure knowledge and by his apostolic authority, ratified and confirmed" that it is "contrary to the faith to consider the Church as one way of salvation alongside those constituted by the other religions." Why? Because "the prayers and the rituals of the other religions" are lacking in "a divine origin or an ex opere operato salvific efficacy." So that there can be no misunderstanding, Dominus Iesus declared that "those solutions that propose a salvific action of God beyond the unique mediation of Christ would be contrary to Christian and Catholic faith.""

[Swamp Rat]

21. Oh Jeebus! Reach down from the sky and pinch off Falwell's tiny head!

please! :D

[Clark2008]

54. With the size of those jowls, his head is not so tiny.

I thought Gluttony was a sin, Jerry.

[Ken Burch]

74. Indeed. I sometimes think the good reverend

should be called "Jabba The Baptist".

[Kurovski]

56. Not only are you terrific at photoshop,

but you also compose a fine prayer.

Somewhat Old Testament in flavor, but fine nonetheless. :-)

[Swamp Rat]

65. Amen!

Perhaps a little Old Testament, but mostly Poe, Lovecraft, Heinlein, Edda, Homer... ad infinitum :D

[Kurovski]

66. ...and a nod to "The Kids In The Hall".

[Swamp Rat]

67. Nope!... The Black Adder, The Young Ones, Monty Python, Fawlty Towers...

I never watched "The Kids In The Hall," but I dig Mad TV. :D

[Kurovski]

68. I confused "head-pinching" with "head-crushing". My mistake.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Tyzik :-)

[Swamp Rat]

69. LOL!

I heard the head-pinching phrase from Mike Malloy.

[Dorian Gray]

22. Who cares what he has to say.

He's not God's spokesperson.

[f-bush]

24. Who the fuck made Falwell God?

he needs to pull his head out of his ass and learn his place theologically. What narrow minded talking hemmorhoid.

[WinkyDink]

25. "Jews assert that Falwell is an idiot."

[jbnow]

28. "God asserts that Falwell is an idiot." eom

[Kurovski]

57. ...as do the Son and the Holy Spirit.

[jbnow]

63. Amen

[genieroze]

27. He's full of sh it.

[Initech]

29. Who made that fat fuck God?

I know Jesus certainly didnt!

[Kurovski]

62. Was it Diebold?

ES&S, Sequoia? :shrug:

[REP]

31. Since Jews Don't Believe in a Literal Heaven, No Biggie

Especially since it means not spending eternity with the likes of Falwell (Jews don't believe in a literal Hell, either).

[anitar1]

34. I think God will hold his nose when Falwells

knockin' on heavens door.

[opihimoimoi]

36. Yup, jerri has a CLOSED MIND...when the time comes at the Pearly Gates

he will come to a CLOSED DOOR///da Kahuna tole me...

[Hubert Flottz]

37. I thought Money was the way the truth and delight for Jerry's kids.

That's about all he ever talks about is Money.

[Disturbed]

39. If there is a Heaven I sure don't want to go there.

What a horrible place it would be having to mingle with all those Fundies of all the religions. No thanks.

[Hekate]

41. Next up: Radical Cleric Falwell issues fatwa, says everyone...

Next up: Radical Cleric Falwell issues fatwa, says everyone but himself will go to Hell for eternity, while he will frolic in Heaven with 40 virgins. God told him so personally.
:eyes:

Hekate

[dorkulon]

42. Isn't this basically what all Christians are supposed to believe?

Since there's two competing threads on this, I'll post this here, too.

Jerry Falwell is a total dick, sure. But isn't the whole point of being in one or another religion or particular sect that all of the other ones are going to burn in hell?

I'm not religious, but that's always the impression I got.

[Tesha]

45. You've got it exactly correct (as I stated in my post below yours). (NT)

[Robeson]

43. How do any of them KNOW there's a heaven? Have they been there?....

...do they have pictures, or a video on a camcorder? What a colossal waste of energy and time.

[Tesha]

44. Where's the news? This is a basic principal of Christianity.

The Christian Bible says Jesus said:

"I am the truth and the light; none come unto the Father except by me."

It's a, it's *THE* basic principal of their religion.
And any lefty Christian who claims otherwise is just
playing cafeteria Christian, picking and choosing
from among their doctrine to find doctrine that
pleases them.

All religions tell lies like this; that is why, in
a sane world, we wouldn't have any religion. But we
certainly shouldn't be surprised when Falwell defends
this point.

Tesha

[dorkulon]

47. Well put

I wish more Christians would actually read the bible, be honest with themselves and realize they're just pretending, that no reasonable person could believe that stuff. Really, why waste your time? Falwell's interpretation is accurate--and that's why people shouldn't be religious.

[converted_democrat]

46. Converted_democrat asserts that hate mongers can't get into heaven..

Sucks to be you Jerry..

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

48. The concepts of heaven and hell are not part of Judaism. There is

purgatory, but after that, who knows? I was friends at one time with a very Orthodox woman who was the wife and mother of Rabbis and we discussed this. As I believe in reincarnation, she said that possibility is left open.

[ruggerson]

50. Memo to Jerry: Christ was a jew

So I guess he didn't go to heaven either.

[Richard Steele]

51. Too bad the bible disagrees- Falwell should read it once in awhile.

Revelations 20:12
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened:
and another book was opened, which is the book of life:
and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books,
according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it;
and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them:
and they were judged every man according to their works.

[SaveElmer]

55. Doesn't the story of the Good Samaritan...

Also contradict this?

[Beelzebud]

58. Jerry Falwell can go suck a dick.

[slackmaster]

59. Imagine there's no Falwell

It isn't hard to do.

[WI_DEM]

60. If I were Falwell I wouldn't worry about others going to heaven

he's going to have some splaining to do.

[SaveElmer]

61. Bishop John Shelby Spong...

Episcopal minister and liberal Christian...I love this site!! He has written some great books, and is a constant thorn in Falwell's side!!!

www.bishopspong.com

[riona]

70. heaven is

where he isn't

[pitohui]

72. heaven is a place where nothing ever happens

seriously, tho, it's pretty standard christian theology that you don't get to heaven except by the blood of christ, so falwell is not saying anything here that isn't said in every sunday school class, i think the jews are sharp enough to know that christians quietly believe they are all going to hell

[dorkulon]

73. Talking Heads Fear of Music

is one of the best records in existence.

[Clarkie1]

75. Heaven? Where's that? n/t

[NVMojo]

76. this asshole needs an acid enema to shut his face up on both ends