OH Damn! They're supposed to OK "shoot first" laws in Ga!

[napi21]

I just heard it on our nightly news! What in the world is wrong with these people?

edit:

Just found a link to the story!

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/7618171/detail.html

[Drum]

1. and that goes double for yankees...er... nt

[debbierlus]

2. That is INSANITY.

Why are they doing this?

What is the gain?

People can shoot whenever they feel threatened?

Is this a setup to a NAZI society, so that people who go around killing liberals & dissidents don't have to face any repurcussions?

What the hell?

[napi21]

5. I don't know, but I keep telling my husband to ignore nutty drivers.

I've always been convinced that road rage drivers will sooner shoot you than not! NOW I guess they'll be justified in doing it!

[rwheeler31]

8. These people are

so scared. They just blast away.

[MrBenchley]

3. Trigger-happy loonies.....

The GOP and the gun lobby guarantee bad government when they work together.

[ThomWV]

4. KY Is Working On One and I'm Trying To Get It Here Too

Best dam law they could possibly pass if you ask me.

[napi21]

7. WHY? n/t

[rwheeler31]

12. Why?

Killing is now good?

[derby378]

6. Hey, DUers have the right to defend themselves, too...

If a Klansman or a neo-Nazi decides your ass is grass, you don't have to just sit there and take it. Protect yourself and those whom you love.

[debbierlus]

9. Yes, but you forget it works BOTH ways

And, those creeps - if it came to a Nazi state - would shoot you behind your back.

No honor. Just a bunch of cowards.

[napi21]

10. Well, they're making me feel like I'm living in the days of

Wyatt Earp, Butch Cassidy & the Sundance Kid, and the damn shootouts at high noon!

[derby378]

13. FL has "shoot first" - what are the stats down there?

I mean, they've always had some problem with crime, but if there's some impartial stats on murder and manslaughter statistics in Florida before and after the "shoot first" law was introduced, that would be a big help.

[napi21]

14. I don't know. They passed theirs about a year ago.

I guess there are stats somewhere, but I don't have a clue how to find them.

[alarimer]

36. I guess you have a point there

i don't agree with these laws, though. Seems a little too close to the wild, wild west to me.

But I guess if someone is armed on their way to Planned Parenthood, they can now shoot the pro-lifers trying to get in their way. In that case, maybe the gun nuts will think twoce about these laws if it works against them.

[Janice325]

11. Dear Lord!

I live in Georgia, don't own a gun, don't intend to get one.
This bill frightens me.

[rpannier]

15. Cheney will be doing all his hunting in GA from now on

n/t

[SoCalDem]

16. Dude !!. I'm gonna shoot you...Okay?? Okay??

Blammo!!

[rwheeler31]

17. Ahh no

nt

[JanusAscending]

20. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA !!

:rofl: :rofl: Think I'll get me one a them thar fancy type guns that shoot behind ya!! TOO,TOO funny!!!

[derby378]

24. Owww!!

Now that is truly funny.

[seabeyond]

18. many on this board support that with marshall shooting a passenger

shoot to kill,...... so no bother with asking later either for that matter. and many on this board support it. after all, that man MIGHT have done something to harm them. because the marshalls PRECEIVED a danger.

that is our society we adopt. if we are not willing to take risk in order to save a person life, for another persons life to be as worthy as ours, then, god help you when the gun is pointed at you. cause as much as you THINK it cant happen, it is all in perception, not fact

[napi21]

19. The Marshall shooting is not an equal comparrison.

Marshalls are trained people, and any nut who decides to play crazy on an airplane is asking for big trouble.

With this law, you're talking about any person on the street who decides he's scared of something. Just sounds like bad nesw to me.

[seabeyond]

21. so people arent allowed to be a "nut" your definition please?

and get off the plane or they can expect to die. i think it exactly fits. keep eyes down walking thru airport. dont make eye contact. dont be angry or tired or frustrated, cause it may be the definition of "nut"

trained or otherwise, they shot the man dead without taking things into consideration. trained or otherwise, the man is dead. trained or otherwise, whether we deserve it or not, if a gun is pointed at you..... the possiblitlity is there that you to will die.

and there will be people that come on and say, shouldnt have acted like a nut........ asking for trouble. boom, you are dead

what is any different for a marshal trained to shoot first to kill ask questions later. than an ordinary citizen. dead is dead, both ways

[napi21]

22. Welllll, let's see.....

what is any different for a marshal trained to shoot first to kill ask questions later. than an ordinary citizen. dead is dead, both ways

Have you ever heard of road rage, or just plain irrational behavior because a neighbors dog sh*t on the lawn next door? Unfortunately there are a lot of people in our world who never learned to control their temper.

Trained security personel, whether they're marshalls, police, or the military, are trained to do a job. You may not always agree with their decisions, but they rarely do it out of impulse or anger.

[seabeyond]

23. i think this is a perfect example of them not being controlled

and i think law enforcement are proving to us on a regular basis they are having a more and more challenging time with control. trust them. i do not

[napi21]

25. More and more challenged by offenders.

I don't believe every person employed in security is good at thir job. They have their problems the same as every other occupation does. I also think there are more and more people challenging just how much they can get away with. If someone's trying to break into my house, my first step is to call 911. I have guns here, and I will use one of them if I have to, but MY first shot is going to be over their head, the second will be lethal.

[seabeyond]

26. someone climbs thru window, first shot will be into body rapidly followed

by as many bullets as i can get out of gun, into body.

challenged by offenders, ya, that is why it is important to think before shooting. like i am sure the 97 yr old woman they HAD to handcuff was a challenge. or 72 yr old lady they pepper sprayed and knocked out her glass eye,.... or the preg woman they tasered cause she wouldnt get out of the car for a traffic ticket, in jammies.

i was in airport 6:30 am pulled out of line and waned. ask how i was i say this is a bunch of crap. not excited, not a big deal. but big enough for a cop to come and stand by me, and then the head of security to be an inch from my face to stand there to intimidate me. fuck me for "challenging" them

as i say, keep your eyes down, dont make eye contact,.... because of all their challenges, they get to be excused for unacceptable behavior, out of control behavior

[Freedom_Aflaim]

27. to be fair, perceiving is all that you have

until the incident is over.

Cops do this every single day. They perceive, arrest and have a trial. The trial determines if their perception was correct.

[seabeyond]

28. to be fair, that is NOT good enough when taking their life

they dont get an opportunity to trial to see how close reality is to perception

[Freedom_Aflaim]

31. in a self defense situation it certainly is

In virtually every place in America.

Im not going to say that cops must wait to be shot before they can defend themselves. Nor should any other citizen.

Im not exactly thrilled by this new law either, but there is no since getting irrational about it. Its pretty much just codifies alot of case law.

Now would it be nice to freeze time, beam in Judge Dread the instant a killer pulls a knife on you, to see just how close reality is to perception?? You bet it would. lets pick up that conversation in about 20,000 years.

In the meantime, you are limited by the reality of life to having a trial after the crime.

[RebelOne]

29. We already have a mandatory gun law in Kennesaw, GA

Everyone head of household must own a gun. Of course, it is not enforced. But Kennesaw has one of the lowest crime rates in the Atlanta metro area.

[Maddy McCall]

30. Well, I've crossed TWO states off of my potential vacation list.

FL and GA.

[slackmaster]

32. I case anyone is interested in actually READING THE BILL before commenting

Here is a link:

http://www.legis.ga.gov/legis/2005_06/search/hb1061.htm

And for the uber-lazy here is the key text that would be added to existing GA law:

(b) A person is presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent threat of death or serious bodily injury to himself or herself or to another when using defensive force that is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm to another if the person against whom the defensive force was used was in the process of unlawfully and forcibly entering or had unlawfully and forcibly entered upon an occupied habitation and the person who uses defensive force knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry was occurring or had occurred."

Which is actually ver similar to California law. I'll dig that up if anyone cares. OK, I care.

From the California Penal Code...

198.5. Any person using force intended or likely to cause death or great bodily injury within his or her residence shall be presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily injury to self, family, or a member of the household when that force is used against another person, not a member of the family or household, who unlawfully and forcibly enters or has unlawfully and forcibly entered the residence and the person using the force knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry occurred.

Don't take my word for it, see http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=pen&group=00001-01000&file=187-199

I'm not a lawyer but the two look pretty similar to me. Unlike the much discussed Florida "shoot first" law, this one applies only inside of an occupied home, not even in your front yard. Florida's applies everywhere.

Gee, Georgia is enacting a law to make it more like California, and people are all in a tizzy about it!

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WAKE UP, PEOPLE! REALITY IS NOT A SOUND BITE YOU HEARD ON THE RADIO OR A POORLY WRITTEN NEWSPAPER ARTICLE!

[slackmaster]

33. No, thread, PLEASE DON'T DIE!

I didn't mean to kill it!

I'm sorry. I'm REALLY REALLY sorry!

:dunce:

[Beelzebud]

34. GA flies a flag of racism and slavery over their capitol.

Nothing else should suprise you, knowing that...

[porphyrian]

35. What do they know? They were a prison colony. - n/t