So if Bush jumps the shark AGAIN and goes all dictator on us...

[FormerRepublican]

...and tries to REALLY grab dictatorial powers, how long do you think he'd last in office before he was tossed out? I can't imagine our military doing der Fuehrer's bidding if he attempted to use them to retain his power. I can imagine Bush in the White House saying "shoot those liberal freaks" as the cops rush the place to take him away, but I just can't imagine the military doing it. I think Bush is getting so far out there now that he doesn't have the influence to grab a dictatorship - at least not easily. So unless he has his own private army all lined up, I think Bush is toast here pretty soon. I think he will be impeached, too. He'll try desperate measures to hang on, but I think he'll find it harder and harder to get people to jump to keep him in power.

And I fully anticipate seeing the Bush Administration becoming more and more desperate as their power wanes.

What do you think?

[madeline_con]

1. I'm going to need a link to this one. n/t

[FormerRepublican]

5. No link. Just speculation regarding the current political climate.

What do you think? Would the military follow Bush orders if he went all dictator, or would they rebel? And would Bush go all dictator if he doesn't have their support?

[madeline_con]

8. I think the Repugs will throw him on the alter....

everything will be his fault, and the party will be "saved" just in time for the elections.

What clinched it for me was the insanity of putting Al Qaeda in charge of stevedoring at major U.S. ports. He's made to look like he needs a "rest" at the "Western WH", and the rest of the pukes salvage the party and take credit for anything they can claim may be at least marginally good.

When the dust settles, they can claim he was a dangerous psycho who had them by the short hairs, finger on the button or some such drivel. :shrug:

[Horse with no Name]

2. I posted this the other day and it sunk like a rock

However, it is so appropriate. It is from "1984"

"We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means, it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture."

[Eric J in MN]

3. I don't think anything so dramatic is going to happen.

I sure hope not.

Regarding impeachment, they still control the House of Rep and the voting machines, and so it's not real likely.

[MadMaddie]

4. Like the saying goes when an animal is backed into a corner...

That is why the have the secret prisons being built on US soil.... I suspect they have some major Pentegon officials involved to try to hang on to their power...because they are all going to go down.....

Plus the American citizens are heavily armed....I think we are going to see a Kent state event to start the revolution....

[Eric J in MN]

6. There was more radical spirit in 1970 and no revolution

followed the Kent State shooting then.

[MadMaddie]

7. That is true......the radical spirit is lacking isn't it....

[truth2power]

9. I don't think you're aware how much

rage and loathing against Bush is really out there...just under the surface. Just sayin'

[madeline_con]

10. I think the Dubai deal shows just how nuts they really are.

Or how complicit.

Even the Freekers are mad now. Their main problem is trying to decide if their fearless leader lied, or has gone bonkers. It's a conundrum for them because they refused to believe anything the left said up to now.

[truth2power]

16. Yes, I think the Dubai deal

points to the truth of MIHOP in regard to 911.

Here's the thing. They scream terra terra fear, we're all gonna die, 24/7. Then comes this port deal and all of a sudden they have it under control. Not to worry. Bush even said it, something like, "If we were worried about security.." or something like that.

All of a sudden, the drumbeat for "terror" is noticeably absent. The only reason, IMO, is that they know where the terror came from on 911 - they did it. And they controlled it. Thus they know when or if it's going to happen again. This, more than anything, convinces me it was MIHOP.

[madeline_con]

17. Absolutely.

No one completely ignores the 9/11 Commission unless they know there's no threat.

[dogfacedboy]

18. Multiply the radical right hate for Clinton by 10. n/t

[AndyTiedye]

13. Or Else We Will

because they are all going to go down.....

They are quite willing to take us with them. They think they are all going
to get "Raptured" away to Heaven or something. They think that the sooner
they wreck the world, the sooner the "Rapture" will come. They are insane.
Where are the men in white coats when you need them?

Plus the American citizens are heavily armed....

Unfortunately for us, the wingnuts have the rest of us vastly outgunned.
(See above re: insane, men in white coats, etc.).

[Ecumenist]

20. Regarding the armed progressives...

Or Else... I know SO MANY people who identify with liberal ideas that armed to the teeth. I think that that's a misconception that people have about progressive leaning folks out there.

[mitchtv]

11. I wish I could share your faith in the military

They seem to be among the biggest ass kissers and bushbots when they are upper management(political) level. The ranks, however,are more worthy of that faith. Do we have that faith in a midlevel coup?

[boobooday]

12. With his approval ratings in the 30's

His big ol power stick has gone all limp and stuff.

[stillcool]

14. I think we have to ride this out...

and at the end of the rainbow will be a dis-united states. The federal apparatus is corrupt through and through. It cannot be fixed from within...and as we have been witnessing again and again...the federal government has been replaced piece by piece by multi-national corporations. And Carlyle Group has their hands everywhere in everything. History tells us where we are...you can follow the road signs that led us here. As in anything else in life, we could not be anywhere else than where we are.


http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Congress/7727/index.htm#Global
http://www.aliveness.com/kangaroo/L-overclass.html
http://www.serendipity.li/cia.html

[Coastie for Truth]

15. No revolution after Kent State and Jackson State. N/T

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

19. Bush doesn't have enough SUCCESS at militarism or economy to hold onto

dictatorial powers very long, I think.

Seriously. He's such a poor, and ineffective, leader, that even were he to grab that power, his hold on it would be brief, I believe and hope.

It's not enough just to snow some people like the hardcore RW zombie cultists. You actually have to have some kind of results to hold onto power. Power is an organic, dynamic thing. They have seized it, but their ability to use it is not infinite with the poor results they have and the ill will they have sown.

At least Hitler had Poland and a successful Blitzkrieg to get the Germans all excited and whipped up into a warlike nationalistic fervor. I really think shrubco expected to get the same kind of results with Iraq, but the fervor lasted about as long as "shock and awe".

Since shrubco has shown no indication to do anything but abuse the U.S. military, continually redeploy and stop loss them in lieu of making ANY plea or demand on the nation to enlist, and the war in Iraq is a manifest failure, his ability to manipulate the military to do things like fire on the populace would, I hope, be quite limited, before defections and breakdown in order occurred.

It wouldn't have to be all at once. All it would take would be some significant faction to NOT follow such orders, and it would be a very rapid domino effect.