Survey questions politicians on Jesus, this is BS and must be stopped!...

[Acebass]

This is crap, it's blackmail and of the worst kind... I want to send around a questionaire to ask if they believe Allah is the savior and while we're at it lets see if it's Budda that turns your crank...

Jeff Sharp, county attorney for Barren County, and a church youth group are surveying all Kentucky legislators and legislative candidates with a single question: "Have you accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior?"

Fifteen have replied so far -- all answering yes -- but Rep. Kathy Stein, D-Lexington, filed a resolution yesterday asking her House colleagues to disregard the survey and all "theocratic tendencies."

http://politicalswitchboard.invisionzone.com/index.php?showtopic=8185&hl=

[madeline_con]

1. Link to original stroy....

http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060303/NEWS0101/603030397/1008/NEWS01

[Acebass]

2. and your thoughts would be?

[madeline_con]

3. They need a civics lesson on the Constitution. n/t

[Acebass]

4. They interpret the constitution like they do the bible...

twist and turn it until you get what you want...

[CatholicEdHead]

5. And this means what exactly?

Who cares about this? It should not be any prerequiste for office.

[Acebass]

8. It shouldn't be but it is...

and it will continue to be until someone puts a stop to it...
What exactly does he mean by Jesus as your savior, there is a whole can of worms that opened up when you go down this road. The problem is, this person doesn't see the similarities to what he's doing and what the Muslims are doing in Iraq, but he should...
By sedning this out he is no better than the terrorists...

[msongs]

6. let'swhich jesus? the mythical one, the catholic, mormon, baptist one?

or just plain jesus or does it have to the christ one?

or " have you ever had oral sex"? would be more interesting.

Msongs
www.msongs.com/democratsmugs.htm

[Acebass]

16. Kind of confusing isn't it?...

[paineinthearse]

7. There is a similar campaign in Missouri

State bill proposes Christianity be Missouri’s official religion - http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=564412&mesg_id=564412

These fundies are way over the line.

[Acebass]

9. and they are standing on quicksand

no one has dared face them off as of yet, and I'm not sure it would be wise for some folks to not believe in pounishment in the here after, but if they keep pushing this debate will need to take place...
It's religious insanity...it's the same thing that took over the Germans before WWII, only there it was Nationalism, now it's religion...

[FreedomAngel82]

10. This is getting out of hand

I remember last year in my town we had a mayoral race and there were rumors going around one of the canidates was an athiest and she was outraged and one of the local news affiliates had an interview with her to let her speak. :eyes: She claimed it was the now mayor's team but I doubt it. Doesn't seem his ways. They want us to be a religious theocracy. I can't stand these fascists people! Is there anything we can do about it? I'm a religious person but I like to keep my politics seperate. I don't like a religious theocracy and this is just insulting to the founding fathers.

[Acebass]

11. If we can fight through the mystic...

like all these cutsie bumper stickers and sayings that are supposted to give you pause to reflect...
No one knows for sure...I repeat...No One! So just because your bumperstickers says there's a God doesn't mean there is one...
It's all taken in faith, and believe me some of the so called christians I see today, I don't have faith in any of them...

[lyonn]

12. Interesting bumper sticker

was given to my teenage daughter many years ago that said:

Jesus is coming and boy is he pissed

She had it on her car for quite some time without any bad actions against her, and this is Okla. I told her she was pressing her luck and that she should take it off.

It is more fitting now than back in the 70's, with all the blasphemy bush is exhibiting.

[Acebass]

13. I remember seeing that one...

any Jesus I could believe in would be very pissed at the way he was being presented today...

[MnFats]

14. and this guy is the fuggin' county attorney?

there's a damn shame. I want to know if he uses 'faith' in plea bargains with criminal defendants.
"son, if you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and savior,I'll tell the judge to let you off with probation. If not, you get three years in prison."
seriously, this guy has no business holding public office...

[Acebass]

15. I agree

and here in Louisville he wouldn't but your talking about a different part of Kentucky where he's at and they probably just love him there...it's wierd in places...

[RB TexLa]

17. They get tons of surveys

I remember one in Louisiana that included "Do you drink and what do you drink"

The pandering answers were great, I won't say who said what but one candidate stated "a glass or two of wine with my dinner," another "I have a few Red Dog beers from time to time."

[Acebass]

18. knowing your candidates is one thing...

but this was a one question survey, from what I've gathered. Surveys like this should not be allowed because they are a trap. You answer to the affirmative to pander to your base, but if your honest it's political suicide, and to not answer when others have, well thats another ball game entirely...

[RB TexLa]

19. Those have been going out to state people forever as well

most just throw them away, or if there is a large number of people behind it don't necessary answer it but send a reply to the organization.

I've seen them far worse from some churches, with candidates I've worked for we've always sent back a reply stating our candidates religious affiliation and tell them that we respect everyone's choice as to their theology and if they wish to have a theological debate regarding our candidate's religion to contact our candidate's church leadership.

It's fund raising mainly, I would bet that the person sending the letter will feel called to create a PAC or a section 527 organization based on the responses to his survey.

[Acebass]

21. Jeff Sharp is the county attorney for Barren County,

the ramifications to the election of state and county judiciary is what bothers me...Of course these cannot be binding agreements, to say I take Jesus as my savior and vote against repealing RoevWade is one thing but they wish to hold jugdes accountable for the surveys they answer and this is not right...
It's prejudging a case on personal ideology and not on the merits of the case.

[RB TexLa]

22. I agree with you, just I've seen them for many years

and people running for election and re-election haven't ever put much thought into them.

As far as your comment on the binding and judges, I'll go one further, if I were ever before the Judiciary Committee for a judgeship, when they ask me if my religious beliefs will effect my decisions, I would refuse to answer the question "under the rights given to me by the 1st amendment." And then let them know I am not going to be questioned on my religious beliefs in conjunction with the process of an appointment in a secular government.

[RazzleDazzle]

24. It's way WORSE than "prejudging a case" -- it's

totallya nd utterly unconstitional to have a religious test for holding any office.

[misternormal]

20. I guess I can never run for office... n/t

[Emit]

23. These three groups have been keeping scorecards for some time

Maybe this is where the info from these petitions ends up?

~snip~

Congressional scorecards from organizations such as the Christian Coalition, Family Research Council, and Eagle Forum also illustrate the strength of dominionists in Congress. Click here to view Senate Congressional scorecards from those three organizations as compared to the League of Conservation Voters, a consortium of environmental groups. You'll see an almost perfect inverse correlation -- the higher the scores from dominionist groups, the lower the scores on the environment. (The tables in the above link were provided by Glenn Scherer, October, 2004 - note: four Democratic Senators were campaigning for the Presidential Primary in 2004 and missed many votes which lowered their environmental scores substantially.)

Christian Coalition Rates the U.S. Congress, 2004 The Christian Coalition was founded in 1989 by television preacher Pat Robertson to take over the Repuliban Party from the bottom up. It has been remarkably successful at getting candidates elected. While the organization is now considered a sinking ship -- they have been surpassed by Focus on the Family and The Family Research Council -- their Congressional scorecards are still useful. Their ratings cover a broader range of issues than the other groups, showing the breadth of their agenda. To read Christian Coalition scorecards for the 108th Congress, and the issues on which they were based, click here.

In 2004, forty-eight out of fifty-one Republican Senators voted with the Christian Coalition 100% of the time. One Democrat also received a 100% scorecard -- Zell Miller who has since retired.

The graph to the right shows how often members of the U.S. Senate voted with or against Christian Coalition supported bills in the 108th Congress. Republicans are red, Democrats are blue. Forty-one out of fifty-one Republican Senators received scores of 100% from Christian Coalition, meaning they voted with Christian Coalition 100% of the time. Thirty-one out of forty-eight Democrats and one independent received scores of 0.



Only three Senate Republicans are in the 60% column. They are Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island, and Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins from Maine.

~snip~

http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:X2ejYLm0sBEJ:www.theocracywatch.org/+scorecards&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=2

[Acebass]

25. I've got to ask...why couldn't an athiest be President? ...

[Acebass]

26. Imagine...

It just seemed appropriate here...


Imagine

Imagine there's no heaven,
It's easy if you try,
No hell below us,
Above us only sky,
Imagine all the people
living for today...

Imagine there's no countries,
It isnt hard to do,
Nothing to kill or die for,
No religion too,
Imagine all the people
living life in peace...

Imagine no possesions,
I wonder if you can,
No need for greed or hunger,
A brotherhood of man,
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...

You may say Im a dreamer,
but Im not the only one,
I hope some day you'll join us,
And the world will live as one.

[Ksec]

27. the difference

The repukes will lie their asses off and say yes. The Dems wont.

I would trust a guy who tells the truth over someone who lies for political reasons.

But then with the ignorance of most, the liars will get the nod.

Should we lie? I say yes. Lie your ass off . Play their game or lose.

[Acebass]

28. Thats the sad part of American politics...(n/t)