Dennis Kucinich on House Floor: They let 9/11 happen

[HamdenRice]

Something about this was posted in the 9/11 forum, but (1) it does not posit any particular conspiracy theory and (2) it is very important because a major political figure made this statement on the floor of the House.

You can get the video of Rep. Kucinich at the 9/11 blogger, here:

http://www.911blogger.com/2006/03/rep-dennis-kucinich-states-that-bush.html

Rep. Kucinich said:

I want to call to the attention of the House the juxtaposition of two news stories. One <..> relating to 9/11. It says 'Federal officials where repeatedly warned in the months before the September 11, 2001 terror attacks that Osama bin Laden and Al-Queda were planning aircraft hijacking suicide attempts according to a new report that the Bush administration had been repressing'. And this from the front page of the Washington post, 'a newly leaked video recording the high level government deliberation the day before Katrina hit shows disaster officials infatically warning President bush that the storm posed a catastrophic threat to new Orleans and the gulf coast, and a grim faced bush personally assuring state leaders that his administration was fully prepared <..> to help'.

Do we see a pattern here? 9/11? Katrina? They knew something was going to happen and they didn't act. They knew that if they went into Iraq that we were looking at a disaster, that there was no way we were going to be able to run that country. They know that global climate change poses a threat to the entire planet, nothing is being done, a pattern of recklessness, indifference, callousness. The implications are deadly for the people of the United States.

[arcane1]

1. that's my boy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:loveya::loveya::loveya::loveya::loveya::loveya:
:loveya::loveya::loveya::loveya::loveya::loveya:
:loveya::loveya::loveya::loveya::loveya::loveya:
:loveya::loveya::loveya::loveya::loveya::loveya:

[jus_the_facts]

3. Hey mine too....

...I voted my conscience in our primary...and my vote went for DENNIS!! :patriot:

[arcane1]

5. mine too! :D

that was my first-ever primary vote :)

[Nikki Stone 1]

8. Mine, mine, mine!! (Good goin' Dennis!)

:kick:

[MuseRider]

2. LOL...DK is THE man

Thanks, it would have been a shame to miss this.

[tatertop]

4. Thank You Dennis!

[lovuian]

6. Dennis for president...

:bounce:

[stellanoir]

7. gotta love him

He and Conyers and Boxer and the National Black Caucus are about all we've got.. IMHO

[HamdenRice]

9. If Dennis is right, and this is proven then Dennis for President because .

If Dennis is right, then DC's political class is going to be swept clean, and there won't be hardly anyone left except Dennis!

[MuseRider]

10. Can you imagine

a Congress with the kind of integrity and intelligence of Dennis? Wow, we should be so lucky!

[arcane1]

11. hopefully we won't have to imagine for long..

DK is my litmus test for voting in new reps :)

[MuseRider]

Now THAT is going to be hard for most of them

to live up to. Shouldn't be but it will be. There are a few who do, hope we can keep them.

DK does it for me, best vote I ever cast.

[arcane1]

14. same here

it was the first time I ever voted and didn't feel like I needed a Silkwood-style shower afterwards :D

[beam me up scottie]

54. He said: "... recklessness, indifference, callousness"

That's hardly lihop or mihop.

[treestar]

65. I keep seeing lihop and mihop - what do they mean?

[melody]

12. Finally -- good on ya, Dennis

Now if we could only devise an Alpha male body to transplant his mind, heart and spirit into, we'd be able to truly go somewhere.

Unfortunately, guys like Dennis (no matter how decent or brilliant) will never get the vote of the majority of any modern human population.

[tatertop]

15. That comment is waaaaaaay shallow

And more than a little bigoted.

[melody]

18. it's simply sociobiology

And yours was a personal attack, not an argument.

It's not my preference by a long shot, but it's the nature of primate interaction. Primates choose Alpha Males to lead them. It's merely the way things are.

[HamdenRice]

19. Actually latest primate research shows they choose conciliators ...

Sorry I don't have time to track down the cite, but the latest studies I've read about in the science sections of the newspapers is that primates do not choose super macho, super aggressive types as leaders. They choose "political" types that conciliate factions and are quick to forgive. The aggressive types tend to stress everyone out and they are eventually kicked out.

[melody]

23. The difference is in what you consider the Alpha

The Alpha is the Alpha. It doesn't necessarily mean the aggressive one.

Also, there are all manner of theories thrown about in anthropology. I think it's clear, from the very fact (aside from the last two elections when the non-Alpha won ... which is the main reason I suspect the vote was rigged), the Alpha candidate has been elected President every time, that domesticated primates choose Alphas. There's a group of sociobiologists who do nothing but chart (from early candidates) the winner of any political contests. They've only been wrong twice -- both times Bush was elected.

[tatertop]

58. My opinion stands

That sounds like rationalizing to me -
and more than a bit silly at that.
Which is to say, I have a feeling you would
have a very very hard time backing up
your 'facts.'

[melody]

60. why the personal attack?

This isn't about preference, it's about science and none of it is hard and fast. I feel like I'm on a fundie board trying to argue evolution. We are primates. We react through sociobiology. The devil is in the details.

However, you seem to be here to fight with people, so I'm adding you to my ignore list.

[Harald Ragnarsson]

53. Bush is a giant studmuffin, is he?

Statements like that are bullshit. If people like his ideas, they should vote for him, regardless of what he "looks" like and that is not a circus freak by any stretch of the imagination.

Also, the statements of "he can't win". Well, if we all voted for him, he'd win.

All the way with Special K!

[sandnsea]

13. No he does not posit any conspiracy theory

And it isn't even remotely what he's saying or implying. He's saying they are incompetent and their incompetence is deadly for the planet. That's all. If he wanted to say they were complict in 9/11, he would have said that. He didn't. Don't put words in the guy's mouth, especially words that I highly doubt he wants there.

[HamdenRice]

17. He is positing LIHOP

He said they knew it was going to happen and did nothing. That is the essence of LIHOP, not incompetence theory.

[sandnsea]

22. Oh dear lord in heaven

Jesus god, no it fucking is not what he said. He did not say they knew airplanes were going to be flown into buildings on 9/11. He said they had warnings of possible terrorists attacks and did not take enough preventive actions, because they are incompetent. That is just not the same thing as letting it happen on purpose.

[HamdenRice]

25. Let's agree to disagree

you have an idiosyncratic interpretation of DK's assertion that they knew it was going to happen and did nothing, and that this had deadly implications for Americans.

Let's leave it at that.

[sandnsea]

29. recklessness, indifference, callousness

That's why he said they didn't respond as they should have. Not because of any conspiracy. It is wrong and unethical to put such serious words into someone's mouth when it isn't what they said.

[beam me up scottie]

36. Like the pct'ers care about ethics.

Look at what they do to those that question their beliefs.

They could care less about truth, they want everyone to believe THEIR story.

Like a cult.

[arcane1]

51. true, but indifference and callousness can mean many things

I'm not taking sides, but those 2 words could apply to people who knew and let it happen. It would certainly require huge doeses of indifference and callousness

[sandnsea]

64. They don't mean intentional and purposeful

Which is what they'd have to mean in order to claim Bush let 9/11 happen on purpose.

[arcane1]

66. true

but it's a small step... they hear that attacks using suicide hijackers are being planned, and they choose not to follow up on it.

perhaps they didn't know of the specific 9/11 plot, but they knew the planning was there, and did nothing.

Considering the way they cashed-in on false stories like Lynch, Tillman, etc, one has to question the "official" story regardless of where it leads

I choose to reserve judgement till I get the truth, but I have no reason to trust ONE WORD these people say. If their words regarding 9/11 are factual, they would be the ONLY factual words this Admin has ever spoken

[bpilgrim]

20. the rest of us do

when will our 'leaders' wake up :shrug:

i predict right after we take it to the streets & shut it down.

and so it goes...

peace

[sandnsea]

24. YOU are entitled to think whatever you want

You are not entitled to twist somebody's words into support for conspiracy theories. If Dennis wants to accuse this administration of intentionally murdering 3000 people, I have no doubt he will stand right up and say it. He didn't.

[AuntiBush]

33. What I Got Out of It

was how "incompetent" they are; total lack of response and mute to major warnings.

[bpilgrim]

39. zactly

and is why i said the rest of us (most of the planet)

i have respected DK since i first even heard of him...

A Prayer for America
by US Rep Dennis Kucinich
Published on Tuesday, February 26, 2002 by Common Dreams
http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0226-09.htm

so please don't put words in my mouth.

911 is THE elephant in the room.

:hi:

peace

[sandnsea]

50. Well good then

Because if you can comprehend that what Dennis said on the floor of the House was not an LIHOP accusation, then maybe some day you can carry that insight over to the rest of the "odd occurences" and understand that most of them were either explained or as interpreted as wildly as the OP was.

[beam me up scottie]

27. The rest of who?

Not all of us fantasize about paranoid conspiracy theories.

[bpilgrim]

40. more than 1/2 of new yorkers thought that way years ago...

that the admin had foreknowledge of the attacks and let it happen on purpose, or worse...

fyi

peace

[beam me up scottie]

46. Uh huh,

whatever you say, I know you guys don't ever embellish, or worse.

[bpilgrim]

47. ever hear of google?

i will post a link if you haven't.

the facts clearly demonstrate that the neoCON administration is a criminal administration who are willing to rape murder and torture, children in front of their parents for Christ's sake so please get a clue, this is the DU not FAUX News.

we got paper trails ;->



peace

[beam me up scottie]

52. Oh brother. Ever hear of logic?

Evidence of apathy is not evidence of mihop.

Enough hyperbole, I'm allergic.

[bpilgrim]

61. sure, that is what the 911 truth movement use to point out the huge flaws

in the official story.

enough war & lies, it's dangerous for everyone.

peace

[beam me up scottie]

63. Then why does everyone push their own pet theories?

Skeptics don't invent, they doubt.

Anything else is evidence of an agenda.

[beam me up scottie]

49. He said:

"...a pattern of recklessness indifference and callousness"

Doesn't sound like lihop or mihop to me.

But then, I'm not in the habit of shoehorning everything I read or hear into "evidence" of my personal pet theories.

[HamdenRice]

16. A plea to DUers now that Dennis said this: We are not crazy pod people!

Now that a respected and beloved Democratic leader has endorsed the outline of LIHOP, can DUers who don't believe LIHOP or MIHOP, at least treat the possibility as something over which reasonable people can disagree? I realize that most of the debate properly will go on in the 9/11 Forum, but non-crazy postings in GD I hope will no longer elicit the sneers from "official conspiracy theory" (ie 9/11 Commission incompetence theory) believers.

If you don't accept LIHOP, fine. But people who believe in LIHOP, like Dennis, or MIHOP, do not necessarily believe in flying holograms, pods under planes, hijacked planes' passengers being offloaded in Cleveland, passengers from hijacked planes spending forged Italian Lira on the Austrian border, or that these conspiracies occur because we are governed by reptilian lizards from another planet.

[beam me up scottie]

26. Dennis didn't say you weren't crazy pod people

You really think he said it was lihop and/or mihop?

:rofl:

[HamdenRice]

28. LOL! Not Dennis, DUers!

I think that DK's statement is basically LIHOP. Considering the traditions of decorum, I would guess that his private views are even stronger, given the constraints of political speech.

And as for pods, etc, what I meant was that anytime any DUer presents explicit evidence of LIHOP or MIHOP even from mainstream media sources, there is a contingent here who will immediately scream that we are all crazy and believe in holograms/pods/reptilian overlords also.

It's a way of shutting down rational discussion -- guilt by association or discrediting by association.

[beam me up scottie]

30. You mean they are suspicious when you twist the facts in order to support

a pet theory?

Gee, I wonder why that is?

[HamdenRice]

32. I'm sorry you are in denial...

If you go through the 9/11 research, you will see that there are facts that are inexplicable without some form of complicity.

If you believe that the administration is so good and righteous that they would never let 9/11 happen on purpose, then of course you will see all evidence of that as "twisted." But that's just your opinion and wishing it were so does not make it so.

[beam me up scottie]

35. See, THAT kind of shoddy reasoning, not to mention personal attack

is why you can't convince people.

How much in denial does one have to be to think oddities equal an elaborate conspiracy?

How much in denial does one have to be to ignore evidence to the contrary?

And how much in denial does one have to be to accuse those who don't believe in their pet theory of believing that this administration is "so good and righteous"?

Your attack on those that don't drink YOUR Koolaid proves you have no argument.

[HamdenRice]

38. No soap. Radio.

[beam me up scottie]

43. That's what I heard you'd say, Chicken Little.

Good thing you guys are so predictable.;)

[HamdenRice]

57. Yes it is the punchline of the greatest pure non sequitur joke ever...

So whenever anyone runs of the rails with non-sequitur that's my response rather than let the thread get hijacked.

[beam me up scottie]

59. BWAAAAAAAAAACK! BWAAACK BWAACK!!!

:rofl:

It's actually what you do when anyone disagrees with you.

I've seen your work.

[helderheid]

21. Love you Kooch!

[AuntiBush]

31. Wow.

Its about time.

[FreedomAngel82]

34. Love it!

Go Kuicinch. And isn't this in the records too? :D

[undeterred]

37. It takes some serious denial to believe there was no complicity in 911

but a few people on DU and many politicians have some serious denial. :shrug:

[bpilgrim]

42. the politicos get paid the big bucks to believe & behave the way they do

that is why we need a clean sweep of MOST of'm

peace

[KittyWampus]

44. It's a big step to LIHOP and even bigger to MIHOP

and the reality is kind of mindblowing if you haven't been paying attention.

Isn't that why they say the "Big Lie" works?

[undeterred]

48. Its been a long process for me

the hardest step is the first one, and after that you just keep going, as slowly as you need to.

If one bears in mind the constant lying of this administration, you begin to realize how consistent it is to believe that they would dothis.

[beam me up scottie]

55. Consistent lying proves mihop?

That's a new one.

I think consistent twisting of some facts while ignoring others prove paranoid conspiracy theorists need a course in critical thinking.

[beam me up scottie]

41. What paper was he reading from?

I'm curious, because he neglected to mention it, but had no problem mentioning the Wash Post.

[goforit]

45. Connecting the dots points to one traitor of this country.......GW Bush!!!

[bloom]

56. That's my kind of anger

Go Dennis!!!

[Clark2008]

62. Love that Denny!!

:loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya:

Of the 2004 candidates, he and, of course, Wes Clark, impressed me the most because they came from virtually nothing and made something positive and wonderful out of themselves.

[LeftCoast]

67. Locking

Posts about Sept 11th belong in the Sept 11th forum.