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Rocknrule Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 11:10 PM
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Indisputable proof that the media is conservative?
What is some hard, unrebukable proof I can use to prove that the media is not liberal?
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gekeeley Donating Member (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 11:11 PM
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1. Nope...
The media is liberal. Bill O'Reilly says so, and he is right 90% of the time. It's just a fact. He's right. We're wrong. Simple as that.
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Rocknrule Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 11:13 PM
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4. The media is liberal
because Limbaugh, Coulter, O'Reilley, Hannity, Savage, Scarborough, Fox, CNN, Murdoch, CSPAN...
told me so!
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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 11:15 PM
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6. Nah. 60% of the stuff he says is crap.
David Letterman said so.

;)
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SHRED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 11:12 PM
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2. Air America...
...stands out like a shining beacon.
If the media is "liberal", then why does AAR stand out?

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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 11:12 PM
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3. Pick up a copy of "What Liberal Media?" by Eric Alterman.
A treasure trove of proof.

16=5=2006

NGU.


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SHRED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 11:16 PM
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7. Here:
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 11:26 PM
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10. I have that!
:toast:
I expect it to be fully edificational!!!
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 11:14 PM
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5. Here you go.
Edited on Mon Mar-06-06 11:16 PM by tuvor
The Myth of the "liberal" media

Let's do a "what if" so I can make a point. I think it's a good one. I think it's so good, I'd like to hear from anyone who disagrees.

What if a show like Dateline did a "hatchet job" on George W. Bush? It wouldn't have to really be a hatchet job, but any honest appraisal of that idiot's qualifications would prove he's a non-thinking rich man's boy - and that's all. But what would happen if Dateline did an unflattering portrait of Bush?

I'll tell you what would happen:

http://www.bartcop.com/libmedia.htm
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 01:46 AM
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17. That is awesome!
I bookmarked it. :)

Thanks!
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RPM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 11:16 PM
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8. i cant think of a more liberal bunch than the suits at...
Disney, GE and Viacom

:eyes:
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 11:24 PM
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9. Because it's all about the bottom line for them
The media is conservative from a business point-of-view because republicans favor FCC deregulation, allowing media companies to own several stations and newspapers in the same market. Democrats favor limits on media ownership.


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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 11:36 PM
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11. Good one posted here recently
If the media was liberal, why are conservatives opposed to bringing back the Fairness Doctrine?
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enigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 01:51 AM
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21. That's perfect
I'm going to use that; it's so true..
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VPStoltz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 12:18 AM
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12. The fact that Raygun had and The Chimp has a second term.
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neoblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 12:35 AM
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13. That's a little less easy to prove... it seems.
It's like when you have, say, 10,000 witnesses to, say, a basketball game in which one team (team B) is the receiver of a majority of the penalties. During and afterwards, all the sports reporters and writers, the wealthy team owner (of the preferred team, team A), interviews with the officials and referees all insist that not only was the one team (team B) not given bad calls, but that there was actually pressure to overlook their misbehavior and condone their infractions of the rules. Replays of the game, excluding all the most obvious wrong/false calls are analyzed by respected sports experts who declare that the preferred team (team A), a highly respected team and coach with a long and wonderful, noble and honest history, was the one who got all the bad calls and make a big deal of several missed calls that could have gone against the abused team (team B), so making the claim that instead it was the preferred team that had a grievance... in the interest of being 'fair and balanced', they included an expert for the questionable team (team B), so they included one guy--an overweight, short, poorly-dressed, fellow with acne, long-greasy hair, inch-thick eyeglasses and a lazy eye, a speech impediment and mentally challenged--a guy they picked up off the street when he answered that yes, he had indeed heard the name of the unlucky team and yes, he did know what a basketball was; thus it was that the team of whiners (reported to be sore losers)(team B) was defended occasionally when he was asked a loaded question--and whatever his remarks, he was thouroughly ridiculed and his answer taken apart by domineering, well-known/famous sports pundits (who, for each of these questions, had a long list of answers, well researched and prepared in advance by a team of sports debaters and speech writers). Every major (and minor) Television and Radio Networks and most Newspapers and Magazines all came out in favor of the argument that the noble team (team A) had been badly abused and that it was intolerable that the whiney team (team B) should be allowed to benefit from such crooked calls--which the referees themselves freely admit they'd acted badly favoring those losers (team B). Obviously, though, when asked... anyone could tell you that by the very fact that those losers (team B) were being given so much coverage, that so much time and resource had been expended to review the game since they complained (how dare they)--obviously there was a massive bias in the media against the good team (team A) and giving credence to those "losers" (team B). If there wasn't such an in-built bias, the story would've been ignored! As it was, the coverage naturally--and rightly--and inevitably showed that the dishonest team (team B) had not only not been treated unfairly, but indeed the true sportsman's team (team A) had been teated badly. Thus it was that tens of thousands of people wrote in to the networks and to their Congressmen demanding that the sorry team (team B) be banned from the sport and that the media had better clean up it's act--or else! Such media coverage of losers won't be tolerated again. The media then held a new round of expose's and investigative reporting and programs in which they pretended to be chastised and repentent of their admitted bias in favor of the unworthy team. They said "we've learned our lesson, we will strive to be more fair and balanced in favor of the truth in the future...", all the while with their fingers crossed.

The truth was, team B had been maliciously abused by the game officials. The media clearly never cared about either team B or fair play; the story was just too tittilating and good for ratings--indeed, the media was blatantly biased in favor of--it's own profits and actually against team B, while admitting both disingenuously and falsely to having acted with a team B bias. See, it's tricky. The media did have a bias--but what was it? The public thought it was biased in favor of team B for the fact it gave such coverage to them. Of course, the coverage provided was biased against team B. Even so, the media then admitted and repented it's pro team B bias (thus assuaging the public's rage against their supposed pro team B bias). In our case, team B is any Democrat, Liberal or Progressive person/politician, policy or position/opinion. Team A is any Republican/Conservative/Religious-Right/Right-Wing or Neocon equivalent. Plainly a bias exists against Liberals, but it's dressed up as "fair and balanced" which to the twisted minds of Repubo-Conservatoids means the hated "Liberal Bias". A bias to which the media penitently, though falsely, admits.

Proving it isn't as easy; though anyone with real awareness, perceptiveness and sense of balance cannot help but conclude the truth that there is an anti-Liberal bias in the media. Still, there are millions of 'people' who claim equal skill and objectivity who insist the opposite is true. Plus, they are the type who won't listen to any sincere review of the evidence. Worse, they're far more aggressive, vocal, noisy and driven--just type the words "Conservative OR Liberal Media Bias" into a search engine and you'll see there are thousands of extensive websites devoted to exposing/documenting/thwarting "Liberal Bias". Of course, there are a number of good sites covering Conservative Bias--and their facts and anaylsis are nearly always far more objective and honest--alas. Alas, the Republo side also has no problem bending and twisting facts beyond recognition and reporting them as accurate, honest, objective and unbiased. When one constrains themselves to accurate and honest facts without adulteration, the arguments are less... less "sensational". In fact, while the incidence of Conservative/Republican Bias are all but innumerable, since they aren't confined to reality or truth, the potential numbers of incidents of "Liberal Bias" with which they can counter literally is innumerable; infinite is the proper word. Stupidity** and dishonesty, therefore, on the basis of sheer volume "wins". The truth, however, is that because it exists; no one wins.

**In an intersting contradiction, Republicans provide us with a conundrum... For truly, many of them are absolute masters of taking non-evidence and irrelevant facts and creatively producing a fiction that's either considerably convincing or at least remarkably difficult to dismiss or rebut. That is, they show an almost amazing degree of cleverness while in reality they are actually quite stupid. Stupid but clever... Ignorant but creative. Smart but dumb. It's almost tiresome just thinking about it. Most of the time, if one is simply well informed on an issue, the weakness of their arguments is self-evident in that they simply don't conform to the facts in some way, some usually clever way (some ommission, exaggeration, falsehood, misdirection, inappropriate conflation etc). Alas, we waste so much energy attempting to produce an intelligent, rational rebuttal to garbage arguments that we're the real losers--all the moreso when you consider the fact that they simply won't even listen to our meaningful analyses.

Make no mistake though, Democrats/Liberals/Progressives also resort to exaggerations, omissions and various improper arguments; it's just a matter of frequency and scale. It's just much less common and almost always to a significantly less egregious/dishonest or fantastic way. Our bad, but to one or more degrees of magnitudeless than theirs. Of course, that's my very own biased (though effort has been expended to be as objective as possible without actually performing research or experimentation) opinion...



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AverageJoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 01:40 AM
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14. They failed to cover the bloodless right wing coup of 2000
Edited on Tue Mar-07-06 01:40 AM by AverageJoe
or its reprise in 2004.

They have NEVER challenged *'s legitimacy. Some are beginning to challenge his fitness for office, but no corporate media outlet, to my knowledge, has reported on the obvious: the neoconservates stole two elections.

Liberal media? What a load of crap.

Most of the network TV folks seem to be mentally impared, or at the very least empty headed whores who'll say anything for a buck.

These people are a cancer on this nation. They make me sick.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 01:42 AM
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15. Look at who owns it
Murdoch

Rev Moon

Scaife
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 01:44 AM
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16. Turn on the TV & wait for them to tell you Bush should be impeached.
Then go back to 1990's transcripts and count how many times they said that about Clinton.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 01:46 AM
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18. name the liberals in the media
go ahead....now name the rightwing nutjobs
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 01:49 AM
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19. Qualify that- it should be NEWS media.
If you just say "media" then they yell Clooney, Letterman, Micheal Moore, blah blah blah....

The only Liberal in the news media that is identifiable is KO.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 01:53 AM
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22. my experiment would work either way
it would work
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 01:59 AM
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23. Depends if you use the broad definition of "media"
Of course, the news media is 99.9999999999999999% pro war & pro Bush.

If we used a broad definition of "media" to include music, entertainment TV shows, movies, etc, then it is much more balanced...
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 01:50 AM
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20. I would challenge someone to
sit down and watch all the main talking head shows. Look at the subjects they discuss and who their guests are. How many republicans vs how many democrats.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 02:01 AM
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24. the 2000 election results- and the actual florida recount totals
gore actually won florida by thousands of votes- not even counting the disenfranchised blacks who had been illegally purged.

AND-
i'll throw in the jeff gannon story- we're still hearing the name monica lewinsky from time to time in the media- why don't they have any interest in the story of the gay male prostitute with the white house press pass, and visitor logs showing him there at times when there were no press conferences going on...

to name a couple of things off the top of my head.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 02:02 AM
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25. Here's all the proof you need:
Rush Limbaugh
Sean Hannity
Glenn Beck
Bill O'Reilly
Ann Coulter
Pat Robertson
Jerry Falwell
Michael Savage
Chris Matthews
Neil Cavuto

I can name more if I have to. These fuckers are all over the media. Every time they appear on television, there's no way in hell you can say the media is liberal with a straight face.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 02:03 AM
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26. Outfoxed.
But if the person can't see that the news is pure RW spin, I'm not sure there's much hope for them. Just my opinion. But if you have faith in the person: the documentary Outfoxed.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 02:23 AM
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27. Turn any device on..flip through the channels
That should do it:)
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