I hate when people say the two parties are the same

[FreedomAngel82]

Since Malloy was filling in for Randi today I decided to tune into Alex Jones and see what he's talking about. I know he's a libertanin but he totally missed what a caller told him. A guy called in and told how the democratic party is very different from the republican party and named some ways. Than Jones starts ripping on abortion and how he's against it but the democratic party is for it. Another white male man trying to control my body and treat me like trash. :eyes: I wonder what he would do if his wife got raped by another man and got pregnant by his baby. Would he keep it? Oh and his only example this point in time on the conversation on how the two parties are the same is because Hillary is against the ports deal but Bill is fine with it and he said in a sarcastic tone that Hillary didn't know about it. :eyes:

[zalinda]

1. Yup, ask Nader...................

no difference between the parties.

zalinda

[BillZBubb]

2. He's a libertarian, but against abortion????

Sounds more like he's the typical clueless Repug that's afraid to admit it. He thinks being "libertarian" makes him less dirty. You cannot be liberarian and be anything but pro-choice.

Scratch the paint off almost any libertarian and you find a diehard Repug asshole underneath.

[FreedomAngel82]

4. I think it might be his personal beliefs

I have seen his movie "Boemheian Grove" and he admits there he is a Christian. I'm not for abortion but I'm not going to tell someone else to believe like me.

[slaveplanet]

24. he's quite specific with his allegations

"It's all staged at the committee chairman level and above"

heard him say it many times.

[skipos]

3. Didn't you know? Gore would have appointed Roberts and Alito too.

Yeah, democrats and republicans are really the same. :eyes:

[FreedomAngel82]

5. Now that one made me laugh

[earthside]

7. Not a good argument ...

... considering how many Dems voted to confirm Roberts and how many Dems voted for cloture on the Alito nomination.

I wrote my senator, Ken Salazar, and told him that the end of Roe v. Wade would be on his head if he voted No on an Alito filibuster -- but that's what he did anyway. So, that's the good my vote for that Dem did in 2004.

[Tesha]

21. Actually, Clinton's SC picks are no great shakes.

This is because, unlike the Democrats, the Republicans
know how to *BLOCK* Supreme Court nominees and have been
doing it for decades.

So you're right: the two parties are different. The
Republicans are a competent political organization and
the Democrats are almost completely incompetent.

Tesha

[upi402]

6. Not exactly the same, just corporatists

socially they have differences that are distinct. But in capitalism, that is not the heart of the matter. Balancing the power of the wealthy is. DINOs don't provide balance, conversely, they are aligned with corporatists in terms of trade and laws that affect our lives vs corporate profits.

That's all. They're different. You're right on that. Just many aren't different where it REALLY counts to workers.
In the struggle to have balance against the abuses of wealth in a capitalist system, we have no opposition party to that power.

God, guns, and gays are of no consequence to corporations. They just use those issues on the population to manipulate and distract.

[FreedRadical]

18. This is a really good point!!!

[bleedingheart]

8. The problem is that the Democrats don't come in one flavor

You see...the republican candidates are basically the same cookie cutter versions no matter what state...they babble the same rhetoric no matter in Pennsylvania or Arkansas.

Democrats on the other hand are the party of disorganization and multi-messages...this is a good thing...we are a big tent...but it is confusing to many people... (edited to explain this further...think of the Will Roger's quote)

A California Democrat and a Pennsylvania Democrat are two different varieties...and the PA Democrat is going to be more conservative and look a lot like a republican...hell I am a progressive/liberal democrat and I despise some of my own party members here in PA...they are neanderthals...

[skyblue]

9. Voting records.

Yep for some it is difficult to grasp that there are partisan votes.

[newyawker99]

12. Hi skyblue!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[skyblue]

16. Hi newyawker99

:donut: skyblue don't drink but Hallo!

[texqueer]

10. There are differences, but . . .

. . . both parties are simply drifting further to the right. Well, the GOP is lurching intentionally toward fascism, and the Democratic party is simply becoming the Rockefeller Republicans . . .

[newyawker99]

13. Hi texqueer!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[FreedRadical]

11. Just like the repugs, Dems take for granted that all will follow.

The problem for some of us is there is no reason to follow the party line. Ether way our issue's will not be heard. Tell me oh tell me why should we stay? Don't we see that there is a gathering storm of fuck you we are on our own eather way. And dem's are starting to lose their minority base? I, we are starting to say to ourselves split this fucking vote and let the chips fall were they may. We are not going to be heard if our statement is not loud enough to be heard. This time around we feel forced to vote the dem party line, and this sucks because some of will remain at the back of the bus.

[FreedRadical]

14. kick

[skyblue]

15. Republicans make voting Dem a necessity

The attacks on the right to choose. The Bush budget: education cuts, etc. We're not perfect, but I don't understand voting for a 3rd party to make a statement when you're right to choose is seriously on the line in several states. Apparently the Red states want to encourage their tradition of having inbred mouth-breathing children, but please let's not spread that idea here.

[FreedRadical]

17. I couldn't or wouldn't vote in away that would hurt freedom!!!

There is just so much going on from the right that other issue's are way lost. With all the voices in the Democratic party directed at the right, the voices of home are not being heard. We have some vary real problems in America starting with leadership. This by it's nature begs us to question those who would stand up to lead us. I am voting Dem because in my state I must register dem to vote in the primary. I will not be voting for some of the current leaders because of there actions or inactions. I feel the heavy presents of the democratic party hear. Note to the leaders, you will be questioned! If you want to lead us , you must hear many voices. Those of us in DU, it is our responsibility to challenge leadership. We need strong leaders to get through this horrific time. I think it is our best interest to question diligently ideas that will bring us back to world respectability.

[FreedRadical]

19. kick

[skyblue]

25. Voting to Win

Vote to win. Realize sure some issues are not the way you want them. I want everyone to have a house with a white picket fence too, but that just isn't going to happen. I don't vote my heart otherwise I'd vote for someone that not everyone can relate to. This is not just our church. It is full of all sorts of personalities. If you vote for someone who doesn't fit most people's mold and you wind up with a RW misleader then you have to feel comfortable with living with that. Yes, your Dem leaders are working hard to help attain goals that help American workers and families. I really respect what they are doing everytime they have to listen to the crap coming from RW misleaders. It seems rather disrespectful when you ask them for a house with a white picket fence and they don't give it to you, you come down on them so hard.

[skyblue]

26. this wasn't addressed to anyone in particular.

Just in case the "you" I used in Voting to Win post comes out that way.

[LWolf]

23. I think this, more than republicans, is

the elephant in the room that the party will not acknowledge.

There are many who are in that exact place. Our issues are not heard. The difference is that republicans go to war against those issues, and the Democrats mention them, but don't take the action we want to see. Either way, those issues are not addressed. I think it comes to each voter at a different place and time in their lives, when they finally decide they aren't going to get in line and follow along.

[Minnesota Libra]

20. Are you forgetting about Nader and his big republican money nt

edited for clarity

[rman]

22. Both Parties are beholden to military-industrial interests,

if only because in many states much of the employment depends on defense contractors.

At best Dems a little less so then Repubs.

The interests of the military-industrial complex are not the same as those of The People.

[skyblue]

27. Campaign Finance

It would be wonderful if we could get finances for campaigns to be totally public. I think it makes it rather hard when most corporations give money to the RW and they can afford it, and then they wind up with more funding for their campaigns than we do. Plus also we need some corporate money to stay in the game.